Canon USA drops new teaser (FX30 competitor?)

[Andrew Reid]

Cripple hammer may have to retire.

[Danyyyel]

2 hours ago, Ty Harper said:

FYI, CVP discusses batt life in their review. Seems like it might actually be less time than the R5C tho 😳. This link goes straight to that section of the review:

 

This is always one if not the best camera review. The camera itself looks a very very good product except for the Stabilization. Another thing is the latitude test, which is for me the true to life DR test. And it is definitely not a DGO sensor and Canon is lying again about the 15 stops of DR(Not same test values). In the latitude test it scores about 7.5 to 8 stops of exposure latitude. Which is ok to good. For example the Panasonic S1ii in normal mode, does about 9 stops and the Arri Alexa LF 10 stops of exposure latitude. 

[ND64]

5 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

Canon is lying again about the 15 stops of DR

I wonder what was the purpose behind developing this new sensor. Its not exceptionally fast, doesn't have new DR tech. Just to increase a bit of resolution and keep the 40fps burst of R6ii to put in R6iii? 

[Danyyyel]

34 minutes ago, ND64 said:

I wonder what was the purpose behind developing this new sensor. Its not exceptionally fast, doesn't have new DR tech. Just to increase a bit of resolution and keep the 40fps burst of R6ii to put in R6iii? 

More or less, that's it. Perhaps also, to be able to shoot Open Gate.

[Ty Harper]

An important question for me is whether the C50 top handle/audio mixer is compatible with the R5C?

Looks like it's secured with two screws on either side - but maybe Smallrig or Tilta can make a modified cage that allows the top handle to be bolted down that way? 🤷🏾‍♂️

If it is compatible I wouldn't need to be pinning for that Tascam Fr-AV2 anymore. But if it isn't it would be another head scratcher bcuz between the C400's detachable monitor and now this top handle/audio mixer, I feel like Canon is missing these really big opportunities to open the door for Canon made essential accessories that are compatible across/within their cam/cinema lines which would further strengthsn their ecosystem.   

Either way, seems like a great piece of kit!

[Ty Harper]

1 hour ago, Ty Harper said:

An important question for me is whether the C50 top handle/audio mixer is compatible with the R5C?

Looks like it's secured with two screws on either side - but maybe Smallrig or Tilta can make a modified cage that allows the top handle to be bolted down that way? 🤷🏾‍♂️

If it is compatible I wouldn't need to be pinning for that Tascam Fr-AV2 anymore. But if it isn't it would be another head scratcher bcuz between the C400's detachable monitor and now this top handle/audio mixer, I feel like Canon is missing these really big opportunities to open the door for Canon made essential accessories that are compatible across/within their cam/cinema lines which would further strengthsn their ecosystem.   

Either way, seems like a great piece of kit!

Apparently CVP confirms in their review video that the handle is NOT compatible with the R5C - which begs the question: what is the point of the multi-function shoe mount if something like this new multi-function top handle isn't compatible, but the Tascam one is? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[eatstoomuchjam]

30 minutes ago, Ty Harper said:

Apparently CVP confirms in their review video that the handle is NOT compatible with the R5C - which begs the question: what is the point of the multi-function shoe mount if something like this new multi-function top handle isn't compatible, but the Tascam one is? 🤷🏾‍♂️

I don't know about electronically, but the new handle definitely wouldn't be physically compatible with the R5C, given that the top isn't flat and doesn't have 1/4x20 holes to screw it in.

[Ty Harper]

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I don't know about electronically, but the new handle definitely wouldn't be physically compatible with the R5C, given that the top isn't flat and doesn't have 1/4x20 holes to screw it in.

Yeah but I imagine Smallrig/Tilta could maaybe make a special cage that has the right compatibility with those screws? I shot Smallrig a quick email just to see what they say. So much of their stuff is inspired by custie requests and I love them for that! Just looking at my R5C right now, it technically might be doable. The tradeoff would be reduced access to the power switch and top facing LCD panel on either side of the hot shoe. But of course that's all provided that the hot shoe is even compatible 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

[stephen]

Good and solid camera but nothing groundbreaking or exciting. Sensor is non stacked and slower than the one in Sony FX3. Dynamic range probably will be a bit lower as this is typical for Canon sensors. Low light won't be as good too. In general good compromise, 14ms is still good rolling shutter. Apparently same sensor will appear in Canon R6 III. It all make sense for Canon and nicely fits in their cinema line.  Because of lower key sensor characteristics I don't see it as serious threat for Sony FX3. FX3 II for sure will be even better. I am curious to see if Sony A7 V will have stacked sensor as some rumors indicate or will follow Canon strategy of having 30-40 Mpx faster than A7 IV but non stacked sensor. 

[Django]

6 hours ago, stephen said:

Good and solid camera but nothing groundbreaking or exciting. Sensor is non stacked and slower than the one in Sony FX3. Dynamic range probably will be a bit lower as this is typical for Canon sensors. Low light won't be as good too. In general good compromise, 14ms is still good rolling shutter. Apparently same sensor will appear in Canon R6 III. It all make sense for Canon and nicely fits in their cinema line.  Because of lower key sensor characteristics I don't see it as serious threat for Sony FX3. FX3 II for sure will be even better. I am curious to see if Sony A7 V will have stacked sensor as some rumors indicate or will follow Canon strategy of having 30-40 Mpx faster than A7 IV but non stacked sensor. 

There are some ISO comparison tests with the FX3 on YT that shows that the C50 matches if not surpasses the FX3 at ISO12800. And beats it at the more usable second base ISO6400. I think ISO6400 is a much smarter second base ISO and with the 7K oversampling and bypassable NR it makes it a better camera for low light situations. FX3 still has better rolling shutter but as you say 14ms is still decent.

For me personally, C50 is very exciting because of open-gate, the new simultaneous multi ratio recording, the dual menu system taken from R5C & the various resolution and codecs. All that in a FX3 form factor with XLR top handle. It's a true hybrid. The only real let down is the lack of IBIS and mechanical shutter for flash photography.

As I'm on multiple lens ecosystem (Canon, Sony, Leica) I was up to now set on either R5ii, Z8/Z9/ZR or FX2/FX3ii but the C50 may pull me back into Canon. Of course this means my Sony glass will remain on my FS7 but I love Canon UI, ergos, lenses and color science. I also find Clog is the easiest to grade and WideDR the best SOOC profile. Been getting gorgeous results out of the R5 ii RAW test footage. 

Again the 3:2 open gate is what's tipping the scale for me personally. I jut love having that full width 3:2 image to play around in post and being able to capture 16:9 & 9:16 simultaneously is a god send for fast delivery. May also venture into anamorphic now that the camera supports all the desqueeze factors. Lack of IBIS is a bummer but I'm hoping that with the top handle and primes, I won't get much micro jitters when shooting handheld. Hopefully the IS also performs well.