Fav AI outcome out there...

[Emanuel]

Here is an impressive series of snacks:

https://www.youtube.com/@CommonHub/videos

In this case, MidJourney, Runway ML e ElevenLabs have been used according to the sources found:

 

 

 

[BTM_Pix]

My favourite AI outcome would be for it to fuck right off.

[Emanuel]

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

My favourite AI outcome would be for it to fuck right off.

Well, I understand and even second such input (how to not praise such resistent standpoint BTW?), for some reason you don't find in the title up there "My fav" but only "Fav"... let alone the expression "out there" too -- followed by those three dots aka ellipsis ; ) however, I think these tools are just arriving to stay, I guess whether we like it or not. 

We have to admit this development (not exactly a synonym of creation or the word 'art' would have been added) is impressive, no matter how sensible we are to the presence of this controversial level of arsenal. 

Can it be a PITA? Oh, in all likelihood...

Better to see these implements as they are or can be, handy toolset for mere creative refinement when applied in good hands, no less (not everywhere and anywhere) and six hours of work for this sample, as due:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16HdVQ9Acj/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

IMHO the more we can juxtapose -- the right word, the more we hit the home run...

 

I simply hate the current hollywood Marvel trend and alike, they actually are destroying the art of motion picture. The remaining part left is trying to get a better idea how make it at bright side. The more many-sided we can face it as multiple layers of instruments we're able to add to the orchestra. 

A bit like distribution windows when the streaming is placing people outside the big screen and the social/aesthetic experience of the movie theatre. At a certain point, can cinema (aka the art of) be considered dead or sorta like the painting when photography popped up? ;- )

 

- EAG

[Geoff_L]

Cool, one step closer to completely unburden us, humans, from all those unnecessary skills of ours.

[filmmakereu]

20 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Better to see these implements as they are or can be, handy toolset for mere creative refinement when applied in good hands, no less (not everywhere and anywhere) and six hours of work for this sample, as due:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16HdVQ9Acj/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Incredible piece!

[BTM_Pix]

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

I think these tools are just arriving to stay, I guess whether we like it or not. 

I don’t really agree with “if you can’t beat them, join them” attitude to stuff like this.

Being a right wing imbecile is very much on the rise but it doesn’t mean we should just fall into line with it.

AI should be used for taking away mundanity like doing the dishes and laundry from our lives to free us up to do the fun and creative stuff not steal that from us.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

We have to admit this development (not exactly a synonym of creation or the word 'art' would have been added) is impressive

I’ve got admiration for whoever’s work was used to “train” this but only contempt for those who are facilitating and grifting on the blatant theft of original work.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

I simply hate the current hollywood Marvel trend and alike, they actually are destroying the art of motion picture

Do you not see that these tools that you are espousing will only make that situation immeasurably worse ?

This will literally give these people the ability to say “yeah just make that last one again with a slight variation and set in a different location” and churn this shit out even faster and with waaayyyy more profitability than they do now ?

[Emanuel]

16 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don’t really agree with “if you can’t beat them, join them” attitude to stuff like this.

Being a right wing imbecile is very much on the rise but it doesn’t mean we should just fall into line with it.

AI should be used for taking away mundanity like doing the dishes and laundry from our lives to free us up to do the fun and creative stuff not steal that from us.

I’ve got admiration for whoever’s work was used to “train” this but only contempt for those who are facilitating and grifting on the blatant theft of original work.

Do you not see that these tools that you are espousing will only make that situation immeasurably worse ?

This will literally give these people the ability to say “yeah just make that last one again with a slight variation and set in a different location” and churn this shit out even faster and with waaayyyy more profitability than they do now ?

I can't say I disagree with you, on the opposite. I just try to be as neutral as possible. Placing my opinion out of the equation. It doesn't depend on my wish a lot of stuff. AI is only another small portion of it I become used to since ever.

This doesn't mean any endorsement. Let alone for copyright purposes. AI will only bring challenges for the subject matter. Is this a concern? Yes, too. We can't do anything but face it. Why should we leave the idea to safeguard legit copyright? Of course, not! This presence even increases the need to protect it more than ever. Who knows bringing more chances of copyright infringement for getting a fair compensation from? : P Strictly seen from a profit POV... So, what can seem bitter, may end upside down -- I will say it again, in good hands.

The same for the toolkit. I am against guns in wrong hands -- I take the example though. They can save a lot of different and crucial or critical aspects with positive handling, no less. Even useful/helpful at times. It's not the instrument itself but THE hand behind to pull the trigger...

We cannot ignore the technology role. Impossible to not extend its impact on media and art surroundings. Like octopuses or spiders, disseminate everywhere they reach their presence. We are unable to stop the social media effect either and we see the footprint on population and society in general. Worse as you wrote, something we must fight against. Nothing short. So, I am with you. For real, not idle words.

But.

At same time, a lot of people here are used to infer action cameras are plain crap, as for instance... I'd rather take any capture device as promising cinematic experience. Well, not all of them : D but the last upgrade for sure when not old rigs! I think that's what a 8mm/16mm background or analogue video or old DV formats have brought up to here before the digital REDvolution.

A bit like almost everything in life (not all the time for anything or anyone whatsoever, anyways, the orange man is the fine example... when zero tolerance applies or is called for ; ) I usually tend to reject the standpoint to see the things B&W : ) 

It's all about to extract the good part if any. I believe we live exciting times despite all the frustration to come with. Human are complex beings and this is made and can be controlled by humans into a myriad of dangers and contradictions as those you've mentioned and you're fairly focused for a more detailed breakdown facing so many cons, go figure what comes next and we're unable to predict yet beyond the Sci-fi or Orwell's... 

 

More inclined to be optimistic and believe we always find a way when there's good faith, I don't blame the technology. Just the way it's used, whether the driver sits in the back, at the forefront, or somewhere ahead in time. So, I actually concur with much of what you wrote, if not everything, TBH.

So, I guess this won’t or should apply to everyone in this industry or business, or to all people interested in the various crafts and trades involved. But as a film producer and filmmaker, reading what Clayton Jacobson wrote about his experience* with a mix of Midjourney, Photoshop, and Runway (Gen-4), I can only fully empathise with and feel committed to his thoughts and approach to such a bloody toolset:

 

«Another dance with the devil. An Ai test this time playing with emotion and screen direction.

Testing how close i can get Ai to adhere to direction of performance. Ain’t nowhere near as satisfying as directing real actors and being surprised and delighted with their invention on set.

But I can see this being useful for possible background or crowd scenes behind an actual live performance or near impossible action or dangerous scenes where you wouldn’t want a real actor to be placed in danger. Integrating these techniques with trad film making will be a game changer rather than the all or nothing approach.

For the record these tests aren’t just prompts there is a lot of set up and shifting between different platforms to get something even remotely usable. But I won’t lie as a creative - having an idea and seeing a result in hours rather than years is exciting.

The average feature film takes 8-15 years to go from idea to audience let that sink in. After Kenny was released I spent 15 years trying to get the gatekeepers interested in my next project and it never happened. The industry is built to say NO 99% of the time AI says yes to me Constantly. For now I’m enjoying the freedom and sandbox joy of it all.

A few interesting projects in the pipeline…»

source

 

* That aforementioned link posted above came from a partner in crime with me since 1998 and with three feature movies already distributed worldwide in our back... (EAG :- )

[EduPortas]

On 5/4/2025 at 1:58 AM, Emanuel said:

Here is an impressive series of snacks:

https://www.youtube.com/@CommonHub/videos

In this case, MidJourney, Runway ML e ElevenLabs have been used according to the sources found:

For a 20 second ad filled with 1 second or less shots this could work.

For a full-featured movie no. We are still a ways away from realism. The uncanny valley is brutal. And I'm talking purely about the visuals. The sound just comes through as very fake. So bad sound and mediocre visuals = AI fail.

On the bright side, it's really clear they used the movie Cleopatra (1963) for their AI teaching-learning. I actually wanted to see the old Hollywood mega production during one or two of those shots.

[Emanuel]

8 hours ago, EduPortas said:

For a 20 second ad filled with 1 second or less shots this could work.

For a full-featured movie no. We are still a ways away from realism. The uncanny valley is brutal. And I'm talking purely about the visuals. The sound just comes through as very fake. So bad sound and mediocre visuals = AI fail.

On the bright side, it's really clear they used the movie Cleopatra (1963) for their AI teaching-learning. I actually wanted to see the old Hollywood mega production during one or two of those shots.

Absolutely. If poorly used, it will look like complete crap. This technology should remain a pure add-on. Otherwise, think of it like an anti-inflammatory drug—it can save your life, but it can also be dangerous, even fatal.

 

What I appreciate here is the return to the written word. Writing for cinema is coming to life again. Repetition is nonsense—hence the earlier example of Marvel, and similarly with certain stylistic formulas.

This discussion hasn't positively popped up with AI...

 

I’m not aware of Nuri Bilge Ceylan’s engagement with AI... He is clearly the Antonioni of today. But he is not Antonioni. Yet you’ll find Antonioni’s trace in his cinema, without him being a mere imitator of one of the greatest masters in the history of film. But seen as his inheritor. Both can achieve equal greatness, without one diminishing the other. 

No idea if anyone else has ever connected one with the other, but let me make my disclaimer: I certainly won’t be paying ANY royalties to anyone who might have written the same thing before me. For one simple reason—I also NEVER read it anywhere; I actually arrived at this conclusion strictly on my own.*

Among many other influences, of course. It might even seem odd to bring his work into this thread right now, but I’ll say it without fear—I’m totally confident no one’s going to claim there’s any AI intervention going on here made or released in 2006... only artistic influences and that’s a whole different story, yup!

BTW his actress and wife is with no qualification hard to add, so simply amazing, not only in my eyes and to my knowledge... She is also a director but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan), however, her husband has a lot of him in her work too...

(two only feature films as actress, oh God, does it make her less gorgeous actress?!) and in that role in specific now, as for instance!

...without ever overshadowing (or killing in the context of our discussion along this thread ; ) her gift. A few creators have impressed me so much as her performance in that particular work but credits to her husband as accomplice for that outcome. What a team!

Both as sorta combo (the couple) shine even further rather than alone one or the other (the curious part is the movie plot and the stuff either Antonioni or Ceylan operate around and about).

 

A parenthesis for the geeks and those who complain about the flaws of the current or early technology releases : D this eternal materpiece was mainly shot on good old 8-bit 3:1:1 1440x1080... 

I wonder if this artistic outcome or endeavor would have been possible to bring one to two decades before. We need a budget for filmmaking and not only cameras BTW : X

 

A bit the way I see AI can work out in good hands ; ) In a word? Layers. 

The multiple the best. Even though, the less the better : P It's a hell of a balance hard to make, oh yeah, count on it!

 

I will leave here an example. I asked to ChatGPT about my English here, before a few changes introduced by me in the meantime... : D and the winner (result) is:

"By the way, his actress and wife is—without exaggeration—simply incredible, not only in my eyes but in my understanding. She’s also a director, but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan). Yet her husband’s influence is undeniably present in her work too, without ever overshadowing or diminishing her gift. Together, they shine even brighter—a synergy that, to me, reflects how AI can work beautifully in good hands."

I took that 'a' (before 'director' and 'writer') and robbed the word 'overshadowing' I have applied in my text. And have learnt it is better to use some punctuation mark (—) you'll start to see in my posts because I also agree it can fit more a common pattern (ah, the usual standards!) than the one (--) I am used to. 

Other than that, I stand with my original text. Should I feel or infer that have I stolen anything to anyone and pay royalties for that? ; )

 

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/earlyphotographs1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/turkeycinemascope1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/inanotherplace1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/formyfathertexteng.php

BTW part III, nature is a bastard... His father's face looks like the filmmaker himself! Maybe some time machine over there? LOL ; ) Well, straight on topic, for some good reason I'd like to end this post of mine with this line ;- )

 

* Funny, out of curiosity, I asked to ChatGPT with this paragraph if someone else had said the same in the past, here's the answer (haha looks like if I had to pay anyone, it’d be the auteur himself, I posed my observation which led to such a 'gross' statement of mine among others bien sûr):

«Regarding your comparison between Nuri Bilge Ceylan and Michelangelo Antonioni, you're in good company. Ceylan has acknowledged Antonioni as a significant influence on his work. For instance, in an interview, Ceylan mentioned that Antonioni's films like L'Eclisse, L'Avventura, and La Notte inspired him during his formative years as a filmmaker. Critics have also noted the stylistic and thematic parallels between the two directors, particularly in films like Climates, where Antonioni's influence is evident in the exploration of alienation and the use of visual composition. Sources: SCREENVILLE + erajournal.co.uk

So, while you're not the first to draw this connection, your perspective adds to the appreciation of Ceylan's work and its cinematic lineage.»

End of quote.

 

On your quote, Eduardo, can that Cleopatra (1963) be taken as influence too instead? I am currently literally drinking every LIFE magazine work out here:

https://books.google.pt/books/about/LIFE.html

Just for the sake of our discussion, should I stop to do it?

[EduPortas]

7 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Can that Cleopatra (1963) be taken as influence too instead?

Cleopatra should be taken as an influence to every movie produced after it came out.

If you're studying that era of photography it's obligatory, IMO.

[maxJ4380]

 

On 5/6/2025 at 6:23 PM, Emanuel said:

Absolutely. If poorly used, it will look like complete crap. This technology should remain a pure add-on. Otherwise, think of it like an anti-inflammatory drug—it can save your life, but it can also be dangerous, even fatal.

 

What I appreciate here is the return to the written word. Writing for cinema is coming to life again. Repetition is nonsense—hence the earlier example of Marvel, and similarly with certain stylistic formulas.

This discussion hasn't positively popped up with AI...

I'm all for smarter addons like magic mask or smarter tools, but if it starts telling me how to make something better, no thanks.

Not sure you'll see much discussion on it. I'm guessing it will decided for our own good what we are allowed do with it. Its in its infancy at the moment, give it some time.

On 5/6/2025 at 6:23 PM, Emanuel said:

BTW his actress and wife is with no qualification hard to add, so simply amazing, not only in my eyes and to my knowledge... She is also a director but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan), however, her husband has a lot of him in her work too...

From a male third person perspective, not literally i assure you.. i'd expect there to be lots of her husband in her.

On 5/6/2025 at 6:23 PM, Emanuel said:

I will leave here an example. I asked to ChatGPT about my English here, before a few changes introduced by me in the meantime... : D and the winner (result) is:

"By the way, his actress and wife is—without exaggeration—simply incredible, not only in my eyes but in my understanding. She’s also a director, but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan). Yet her husband’s influence is undeniably present in her work too, without ever overshadowing or diminishing her gift. Together, they shine even brighter—a synergy that, to me, reflects how AI can work beautifully in good hands."

 

I presume if english isnt your primary language then chagpt could be beneficial. However is it you ? is it authentic ? 

[Emanuel]

8 hours ago, maxJ4380 said:

 

I'm all for smarter addons like magic mask or smarter tools, but if it starts telling me how to make something better, no thanks.

Not sure you'll see much discussion on it. I'm guessing it will decided for our own good what we are allowed do with it. Its in its infancy at the moment, give it some time.

From a male third person perspective, not literally i assure you.. i'd expect there to be lots of her husband in her.

I presume if english isnt your primary language then chagpt could be beneficial. However is it you ? is it authentic ? 

Indeed. I agree with you. Exactly my point about AI : ) It can be beneficial when helps. When replaces, however... For art? No way. This doesn't mean something hybrid but it is up to the driver to choose when yes and when not. And assume the consequences of the choices made. Revolutionary but always for good and bad as all revolutions are or become.

- EAG