Panasonic Lumix S1R Mark II coming soon

[eatstoomuchjam]

Only 7.1k?  Better just stay home then.  Everybody knows that it's a waste of time to shoot anything less than 7.2k.  😉

[BTM_Pix]

[MrSMW]

I think it will come in a firmware upgrade.

Or from Santa Claus at Christmas if I'm a really good boy for the rest of the year.

I'm sure of it.

[MrSMW]

It's arrived.

First impressions = impressed.

Feels like a very slightly chunkier S5ii and as it is taking over from a Sony A7RV (and a Nikon Zf), that is no bad thing.

When it was first announced, I was disappointed on two counts...

Count 01 = the body, - it was and is not a mini S1H. No top dial for one thing. Boo! 

Count 02 = it didn't have and still doesn't have the 61mp sensor from the A7RV/Leica SL3. Boo. Initially boo anyway.

Count 03 = I am The Count and I like to count ha ha ha. (Bonus Count)

But over time, these two 'issues' have become non-issues for me.

The body first. Yes, I would rather it had the top LCD and was it's own design, but they have addressed my criticisms of the OG S5 and S5ii which were less than great rear LCD and horrible clacky shutter. It does have a sort of mini S1H feel, despite the lack of a top LCD.

Summary, in reality, in the hand, I genuinely like it and everything works exactly or at least very similar to, how I am used to with the S5ii's, but just better.

And the 44mp sensor over the 61mp? Came to the conclusion that 61mp was overkill anyway and was always shooting in 26mp mode so with the new Panny, I will actually be shooting in a higher resolution.

Most importantly of all though, this has been an exercise in both downsizing my overall kit; this year from 5 bodies and 9 lenses to 4 bodies and 7 lenses, and then in 2026 (or poss later this Summer) from 7 down to 6 lenses. And all 4 cameras with the same batteries, menus and very close manual controls.

Setting it up now for stills duty across 5 days from the end of this week and then it will also be on hybrid duty from mid Aug.

Looking forward to pulling some 7.2...1k frame grabs.

[newfoundmass]

It is a very nice camera from my experiences with it, though I've only used it a half dozen times. I actually just texted my buddy who owns it and asked if it had overheated yet, since it's now the hottest time of year here in Vermont, and he said it hasn't and he has had it out in the sun on 90 degree days. He doesn't do super long takes though like I would as an event shooter. 

[zerocool22]

Looks like a great camera, but what prevents me buying it is the colour science. It looks worse then s5ii, and s5ii was already worse then the s5. 

The skintones look horrific magenta with red blotches. Which is the biggest problem with this camera imo. Sure you could fix it with some post work. But why would I buy this camera when there are numerous options out there that dont have this problem. And saves me time each project.

[newfoundmass]

5 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

Looks like a great camera, but what prevents me buying it is the colour science. It looks worse then s5ii, and s5ii was already worse then the s5. 

The skintones look horrific magenta with red blotches. Which is the biggest problem with this camera imo. Sure you could fix it with some post work. But why would I buy this camera when there are numerous options out there that dont have this problem. And saves me time each project.

I've never really felt like the color science was bad, though I do think the S5 had a special image, but even if I did, with real time lut you can pretty much nail it right in camera after making your own lut, negating any issues one might have with color science.

[MrSMW]

10 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

Looks like a great camera, but what prevents me buying it is the colour science. It looks worse then s5ii, and s5ii was already worse then the s5. 

The skintones look horrific magenta with red blotches. Which is the biggest problem with this camera imo. Sure you could fix it with some post work. But why would I buy this camera when there are numerous options out there that dont have this problem. And saves me time each project.

I disagree and you can call me a Lumix fangirl or shill, but having or having had all 3, nah.

The OG S5 did/does have a marginally better image quality than the S5ii as did the S1H and S1R and I think the magic is back with the S1Rii. Based on both my limited so far testing and the results of others who have not just jumped to Lumix or have limited skills in the first place.

There is some outright shit out there as there is for any and every camera because it’s not just the camera, but the lens, the use of the kit, the environment, the editing/processing, the output and presentation and yada yada yada.

The bottom line is if you don’t feel it’s for you and you have a system that works better for you, cool, but this system other than a couple of lens shaped holes is now extremely mature.

IMO, the mojo is back.

S5ii still rocks for longer form content and whilst SOOC it might have an image a fraction behind the older stuff and the newer kit, it takes hardly any effort to tweak it.

As above, credit where credit is due and I was heading towards Nikon or Sony, but Lumix have done enough to have my loyalty and I am now 100% within L Mount.

*Caveat; subject to the next 5 days real world test, ie, paid work that no amount of testing can replicate, but expect no issues as 3 of 4 cameras I have been working with for 1.5 years already and it’s only the S1Rii that is new*

[zerocool22]

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

I disagree and you can call me a Lumix fangirl or shill, but having or having had all 3, nah.

Here is an example where it is quite obvious. (With the s1ii vs blackmagic) the skintone difference is massive. While on the blackmagic I would not need to change the skintones at all on the s1ii it would need some tweaking to get rid off the red skintones. Ok many clients prolly won't notice it or would complain about it. But I sure do see it + panasonic has the most different colour science of sony. Which at the moment is the market leader over here. And 1 client specific told me they liked colour science of sony the most, prolly because the market is flooded with sony footage and that is what they are used too. (Was on a shoot with a mix of panasonic and sony camera's next to each other, so we had to grade the panasonic footage to the sony look :') )

 

[MrSMW]

So this has changed from you comparing S1Rii colour compared with S5ii compared with OG S5 to S1ii vs Black Magic, I can't keep up 😜

I could change the topic now to your Black Magic colour science vs my Lumix IBIS.

But in all seriousness, there is no one single one stop solution to anything but rather a case of whatever suits your needs best!

[zerocool22]

56 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

So this has changed from you comparing S1Rii colour compared with S5ii compared with OG S5 to S1ii vs Black Magic, I can't keep up 😜

I could change the topic now to your Black Magic colour science vs my Lumix IBIS.

But in all seriousness, there is no one single one stop solution to anything but rather a case of whatever suits your needs best!

I know its not the same, but it is super obvious how red the skintones are on the s1ii. (Have not looked into much other comparison videos, but I saw this one passing my fb feed)

Could you fix it sure, but why is it so bad right out of camera? And it is something users have been complaining about for years, and they even made it worse..

Sure most reviewers that got shipped an camera from panasonic dont point this out.. 

[MrSMW]

Define ‘bad’?

-5 magenta and boom.

One camera is a Golf GTi and the other is a Porsche Boxster.

One is a better all-rounder and the other is better at one specific thing.

Mid-range mirrorless vs low end cinema camera 🤷‍♂️

[ntblowz]

Speaking of colour science when we shoot indian weddings the Lumix looks more pleasing than Sony straight up... the ugly yellow really ruined it without colour grading.

When we do some livestream for Chinese (which is predominately Sony) they were shocked with the colour coming from Lumix cam, you know aisan really hate yellow on their already yellow skin.  They really prefer pale and magenta more which Canon is really good at, which lumix is kinda similarish in that regard.

This time last year I am all Sony.. FX3/FX30/E1.. sold them all and never regret. (well except the 4k60p crop but luckily my Canon can all do non crop 4K60p ha).

I m still deciding between S1RII or S1II at end of the year when wedding season start to ramp up in southern hemisphere, 2 of my friend is gonna get S1II so I kinda want to be a bit different to them.

[MrSMW]

Far right cameras 😂

[MrSMW]

And just to show that there are as many arguments for Lumix over Black Magic, probably because I clicked on that YouTube link above, I'm getting such comparisons in my feed now (!!), I clicked on one and grabbed a frame:

What are those greens...I'm sorry, yellows supposed to be on the left (BM) image and are those skin tones better?

Not to my eyes and taste they are not, albeit this dude had slapped his LUT on these, but still...

Click on the pic for a better view but there pic on the right looks far more pleasing and natural to me.

[zerocool22]

17 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Speaking of colour science when we shoot indian weddings the Lumix looks more pleasing than Sony straight up... the ugly yellow really ruined it without colour grading.

When we do some livestream for Chinese (which is predominately Sony) they were shocked with the colour coming from Lumix cam, you know aisan really hate yellow on their already yellow skin.  They really prefer pale and magenta more which Canon is really good at, which lumix is kinda similarish in that regard.

This time last year I am all Sony.. FX3/FX30/E1.. sold them all and never regret. (well except the 4k60p crop but luckily my Canon can all do non crop 4K60p ha).

I m still deciding between S1RII or S1II at end of the year when wedding season start to ramp up in southern hemisphere, 2 of my friend is gonna get S1II so I kinda want to be a bit different to them.

That is interesting, I wonder that is the reasoning about all these colour science differences between brands/camera's etc.

[zerocool22]

7 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

And just to show that there are as many arguments for Lumix over Black Magic, probably because I clicked on that YouTube link above, I'm getting such comparisons in my feed now (!!), I clicked on one and grabbed a frame:

What are those greens...I'm sorry, yellows supposed to be on the left (BM) image and are those skin tones better?

Not to my eyes and taste they are not, albeit this dude had slapped his LUT on these, but still...

Click on the pic for a better view but there pic on the right looks far more pleasing and natural to me.

Ntblowz might be onto something.

I 99.9% shoot caucasian people, and red skin patches might be more prone to white skin. 

Obviously your still is graded and not a rec 709 conversion. But agree here it looks good. But might also have to do with the skincolor.

Allthough I never seem to have any skintones issues with blackmagic or canon c500ii and on my s5ii footage this always pops up. 

[MrSMW]

There are an almost infinite number of combos affecting these things but yes, 'white' caucasian skin for sure shows up the most magenta and more so in men and more so in men over a certain age and if they are drinkers, well... And then the DJ has his pink light on everything and we're all magenta!

I'm about to do my next phase/gen of colour, or at least within the next couple of weeks after the next few jobs now I am 100% L Mount.

I wasn't too bothered previously about having my stills match my video though you couldn't tell the difference between my Sony and Nikon files, but that is because they have been edited together.

I've been very happy for the last 1.5 years with the SOOC look of my video files from my S5ii's and S9, but that is probably more because of the use of a 1/8th mist that reduces a bit of contrast and that 'digital' look, plus I am baking in an Arri inspired LUT.

The combination of those 2 things gets me to about 80% of the finished image with another approx 10% being some very minor tweaks in post to some, but far from all bits of footage, mostly just some; cropping, straightening, exposure and minor WB and then another approx 10% with the creative LUT slapped on over the top.

OK, it's not slapped, but gently laid over the entire timeline and the individual clips have a final tweak if needs be.

It's not high end grading by any means, but I'm more than happy with the result.

Could it be better?

Sure and I've got a direction I'd like to take it and all be doing so over the coming weeks with the stills perfectly aligned with the video for future jobs.

[mtol]

So for those with S1RIIs and S1IIs in hand, is the overheating people are posting on reddit about only occurring with CF express cards, or with SD as well?

[MurtlandPhoto]

32 minutes ago, mtol said:

So for those with S1RIIs and S1IIs in hand, is the overheating people are posting on reddit about only occurring with CF express cards, or with SD as well?

I've only used my S1ii with SD cards so far, but I haven't had any overheating issues at all shooting multiple hour+ interviews in open gate 6K24p.