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19 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Cool! 

I hope you got far with my questions! :) 

 

Got through most, if not all of then. Let me know if you need anything else. Really appreciated that list. 

Btw, check out the OP, I added everything at the top.

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So many questions!

Is the 1080p monitor output full quality or aliasy and low quality? How much more power consumption is 1080p output than 720p? 
Can it downscale to record oversampled ProRes in camera?
Can it bake LUTS?
Does it still have "Golden" modes for binned RAW?
Is the new 5k sensor better than the 6k? Why are the DR specs sometimes higher for 6k and sometimes lower?
Any AF support?
Any tech support in the US?
What's the deal with the different gain and EI modes?
does the 5k sensor have improved rolling shutter vs the 6k? is the 5k global shutter option working on their 5k prototype?
Is it awesome?

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1 minute ago, Noah Yuan-Vogel said:

So many questions!

Is the 1080p monitor output full quality or aliasy and low quality? How much more power consumption is 1080p output than 720p? 
Can it downscale to record oversampled ProRes in camera?
Can it bake LUTS?
Does it still have "Golden" modes for binned RAW?
Is the new 5k sensor better than the 6k? Why are the DR specs sometimes higher for 6k and sometimes lower?
Any AF support?
Any tech support in the US?
What's the deal with the different gain and EI modes?
does the 5k sensor have improved rolling shutter vs the 6k? is the 5k global shutter option working on their 5k prototype?
Is it awesome?

I have added answers to some of those at the top. Some of this I don't know and will ask later.

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The part where the 5k sensor is coming in the fall and the global shutter is not worked out yet makes me sad :(

And I guess the idea is that the lower sensitivity in HFR is due to the lower sampling resolution from cropping or line-skipping?  Or is it something else?  It's hard enough to get enough for HFR but lower sensitivity makes it extra hard, but if it's just due to the same things that other manufacturers have to deal with but don't compensate for then it's just par for the course.  ie. RED/Sony should rate their 2K modes 1-2 stops slower to compensate for increased visibility of noise but they dont.

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41 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Got through most, if not all of then. Let me know if you need anything else. Really appreciated that list. 

Btw, check out the OP, I added everything at the top.

Thanks for doing this. 

Two things: 

1. What on earth do they mean about having part of the license? Are they working on getting a full license? 

2. Full sensor readout for ProRes only... Do they know how long the FW update will be after release? 

I see the GS isn't working in a model yet. I hope this doesn't end up being a Blackmagic style face palm. 

These questions are really important and helpful so thank you for doing that. The closest thing I see to this camera is the FS5 with 7Q, however the organic timeless look of the Kinefinity cameras is something I've listed over for a long time! 

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18 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Thanks for doing this. 

Two things: 

1. What on earth do they mean about having part of the license? Are they working on getting a full license? 

2. Full sensor readout for ProRes only... Do they know how long the FW update will be after release? 

I see the GS isn't working in a model yet. I hope this doesn't end up being a Blackmagic style face palm. 

These questions are really important and helpful so thank you for doing that. The closest thing I see to this camera is the FS5 with 7Q, however the organic timeless look of the Kinefinity cameras is something I've listed over for a long time! 

Remember, there's a language thing. So keep that in mind. 

What they said was the prores license has parts, I understood it as stages. So I guess they are through most of the process, but not all the way. The one they were displaying HAD prores on it. 

Full sensor for raw AND prores, but prores will be cropped for lower res on shipment but full sensor in camera down res later in firmware. 

I know what you mean about the global shutter issue. When I told them that everyone had their eye on global shutter they seemed surprised. I think hfr, hi dr and hi res are sexier specs. I bet they get it in, we'll see what it looks like. 

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Is it just me, or does the button side look super Chinese..? Does this camera look/feel/work like a real cinema camera? Or do you need to make that jump in your mind? To me, it looks like a Chinese knock-off that has more or less the same quality, but overall just doesn't feel like a real one.

I could be wrong.

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I'm a little confused, The KineGuy said you can use the body without the extra back attached. I assume there isn't another battery in the original body.

Also, I saw the Raven (and perhaps most Red cameras) are able to power the camera through an extension cable leading to a V-mount battery. Is this a normal feature with most cinema cameras (and Terra)? I could totally see me using it just with the body alone, with everything else in a bag pack. 

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5 minutes ago, SR said:


Also, I saw the Raven (and perhaps most Red cameras) are able to power the camera through an extension cable leading to a V-mount battery. Is this a normal feature with most cinema cameras (and Terra)? I could totally see me using it just with the body alone, with everything else in a bag pack. 

All the RED cameras work this way (except RED One). There's a cable that attaches to the DC-IN port, with the other end being able to terminate in a V-mount, AB-mount, or I guess whatever you can make..

It's a solution that can be used for just about any camera that has a DC-in port

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10 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:
  • What is the native ISO? 800 HFR 400

What is native ISO for their 5K sensor? (I am guessing that is the answer for their 6K model which they gave you)

10 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:
  • Buttons? The feel legit, but you can press and rotate them. :)  So that's why they looked crooked. But he specifically said they were preproduction buttons and this won't be an issue on production models.

I kinda like this as a "feature". Sometimes you might press and rotate round a button (say to put it upside down) as a reminder note to yourself.

8 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said:

I see the GS isn't working in a model yet. I hope this doesn't end up being a Blackmagic style face palm. 

 

If it ends up being only global shutter, and not switchable, that wouldn't be so bad.....  or if the 5K sensor has rolling shutter as good as the 4.6K sensor instead of as bad as the 6K sensor than that would also be on ok ish outcome. 

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1 hour ago, SR said:

I'm a little confused, The KineGuy said you can use the body without the extra back attached. I assume there isn't another battery in the original body.

You do not need to use a battery on the back if you're using the handle with a battery in the handle, that is what they meant. 

And yes, it has a DC IN on the side as well.

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5 hours ago, SR said:


I'm a little confused, The KineGuy said you can use the body without the extra back attached. I assume there isn't another battery in the original body.

Also, I saw the Raven (and perhaps most Red cameras) are able to power the camera through an extension cable leading to a V-mount battery. Is this a normal feature with most cinema cameras (and Terra)? I could totally see me using it just with the body alone, with everything else in a bag pack. 

Seems the 6k camera has a dynamic range of 14 FS, whereas the 5k is 15 FS (8:27).

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