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From my understanding, color science and video codec are part of the story of Canon’s failure. There were several more fatal mistakes being made by Canon itself in the past five years. Before Sony released the first 4K camera A7S, Canon occupied most of the video shooting marketing because most of the photographers, especially in wedding photography sector wanted to manage the equipment easier thus they purchase all Canon stuffs from bodies to wide range of EF lenses. This was the good old day of Full HD movie that was still adequate for the producers facing the average consumer market.
Canon reserved the color profile and 4K exclusively for the Cinema EOS and lured the producers to buy the expensive movie body which could utilize their EF lenses to “save” money from buying extra filmmaking lenses.  In certain sense, Canon slowed down its step to improve the video technology because they believed 4K were for the professional and wouldn’t be the mainstream in the coming five years. And the users’ loyalty to EF lenses will help it maintained the sales of camera body.
However, Sony thought differently and tried to be the bad boy to ruin the lenses-monopolization of Canon by using the trick – the EF to E-mount adapter. When Sony A7S entered the market all wedding photographers and filmmakers just went crazy with the most economic 4K solution at that period. The adapter helped Sony to buy time and boost sales during the days without enough good choices of E-mount lenses. Canon couldn’t do anything because the patent of EF mount was already expired which meant it was going to be exploited by other camera brands.
This smart move ruined the plan of Canon entirely but it still did not want to face the truth that 4K should be getting cheaper and more popular in the following years. Instead of releasing 4K in the EOS DSLR line, it launched the stupid XC10 as responding to the need of 4K in the prosumer market. The situation getting worse when more brands and various kind of equipment penetrated the market such as GoPro 4 Black, DJI Inspire 1, iPhone 6S, etc. I still remember my first 4K camera was LG G4 in 2015!
But even worse that actually, Canon’s technology of CMOS hasn’t been improved much after 5D mark II. The merely increased pixels and boring ergonomic design just losing all its charm . The only reason of buying Canon is just because the users are photojournalists who need weather and dust sealing in the tough environment. Sony (with EF lenses), GoPro, DJI and iPhone take its place in video taking position. Otherwise, there are not much reason to have DSLR with lame video spec. EOS m6 mark II may be the new hope. But what Canon should do that is releasing more power in color profiles and in body RAW recording. Otherwise, a little Sony RX100 mk VII is still able to blow it away.
Dinosaur should die anyway but usually slowly.

From my understanding, color science and video codec are part of the story of Canon’s failure. There were several more fatal mistakes being made by Canon itself in the past five years. Before Sony released the first 4K camera A7S, Canon occupied most of the video shooting marketing because most of the photographers, especially in wedding photography sector wanted to manage the equipment easier thus they purchase all Canon stuffs from bodies to wide range of EF lenses. This was the good old day of Full HD movie that was still adequate for the producers facing the average consumer market.
Canon reserved the color profile and 4K exclusively for the Cinema EOS and lured the producers to buy the expensive movie body which could utilize their EF lenses to “save” money from buying extra filmmaking lenses.  In certain sense, Canon slowed down its step to improve the video technology because they believed 4K were for the professional and wouldn’t be the mainstream in the coming five years. And the users’ loyalty to EF lenses will help it maintained the sales of camera body.
However, Sony thought differently and tried to be the bad boy to ruin the lenses-monopolization of Canon by using the trick – the EF to E-mount adapter. When Sony A7S entered the market all wedding photographers and filmmakers just went crazy with the most economic 4K solution at that period. The adapter helped Sony to buy time and boost sales during the days without enough good choices of E-mount lenses. Canon couldn’t do anything because the patent of EF mount was already expired which meant it was going to be exploited by other camera brands.
This smart move ruined the plan of Canon entirely but it still did not want to face the truth that 4K should be getting cheaper and more popular in the following years. Instead of releasing 4K in the EOS DSLR line, it launched the stupid XC10 as responding to the need of 4K in the prosumer market. The situation getting worse when more brands and various kind of equipment penetrated the market such as GoPro 4 Black, DJI Inspire 1, iPhone 6S, etc. I still remember my first 4K camera was LG G4 in 2015!
But even worse that actually, Canon’s technology of CMOS hasn’t been improved much after 5D mark II. The merely increased pixels and boring ergonomic design just losing all its charm . The only reason of buying Canon is just because the users are photojournalists who need weather and dust sealing in the tough environment. Sony (with EF lenses), GoPro, DJI and iPhone take its place in video taking position. Otherwise, there are not much reason to have DSLR with lame video spec. EOS m6 mark II may be the new hope. But what Canon should do that is releasing more power in color profiles and in body RAW recording. Otherwise, a little Sony RX100 mk VII is still able to blow it away.
Dinosaur should die anyway but usually slowly.

It doesn't have an RF Mount, dual XLRs, or an internal ND (either internal or with the adapter). So the Pocket 6K does not have all of the specs a C100 III would have. 
I've tried out the Pocket 4k and all of the usability issues remain in the 6K version, 3 or 4 of them being fatal flaws (meaning, I won't use it professionally): 
- terrible battery life
- fixed screen that is difficult to work with and not daylight viewable
- Terrible ergonomics and general shape.
- Quite a few reports on random shut-downs (I had the Pocket 4K turn off on me more than a dozen times whenever the battery got close to 50%). 
Currently, Black Magic makes cameras that give you a beautiful image with a fantastic codec and menu system at a GREAT price, but everything else is a bit of a disaster. 

From my understanding, color science and video codec are part of the story of Canon’s failure. There were several more fatal mistakes being made by Canon itself in the past five years. Before Sony released the first 4K camera A7S, Canon occupied most of the video shooting marketing because most of the photographers, especially in wedding photography sector wanted to manage the equipment easier thus they purchase all Canon stuffs from bodies to wide range of EF lenses. This was the good old day of Full HD movie that was still adequate for the producers facing the average consumer market.
Canon reserved the color profile and 4K exclusively for the Cinema EOS and lured the producers to buy the expensive movie body which could utilize their EF lenses to “save” money from buying extra filmmaking lenses.  In certain sense, Canon slowed down its step to improve the video technology because they believed 4K were for the professional and wouldn’t be the mainstream in the coming five years. And the users’ loyalty to EF lenses will help it maintained the sales of camera body.
However, Sony thought differently and tried to be the bad boy to ruin the lenses-monopolization of Canon by using the trick – the EF to E-mount adapter. When Sony A7S entered the market all wedding photographers and filmmakers just went crazy with the most economic 4K solution at that period. The adapter helped Sony to buy time and boost sales during the days without enough good choices of E-mount lenses. Canon couldn’t do anything because the patent of EF mount was already expired which meant it was going to be exploited by other camera brands.
This smart move ruined the plan of Canon entirely but it still did not want to face the truth that 4K should be getting cheaper and more popular in the following years. Instead of releasing 4K in the EOS DSLR line, it launched the stupid XC10 as responding to the need of 4K in the prosumer market. The situation getting worse when more brands and various kind of equipment penetrated the market such as GoPro 4 Black, DJI Inspire 1, iPhone 6S, etc. I still remember my first 4K camera was LG G4 in 2015!
But even worse that actually, Canon’s technology of CMOS hasn’t been improved much after 5D mark II. The merely increased pixels and boring ergonomic design just losing all its charm . The only reason of buying Canon is just because the users are photojournalists who need weather and dust sealing in the tough environment. Sony (with EF lenses), GoPro, DJI and iPhone take its place in video taking position. Otherwise, there are not much reason to have DSLR with lame video spec. EOS m6 mark II may be the new hope. But what Canon should do that is releasing more power in color profiles and in body RAW recording. Otherwise, a little Sony RX100 mk VII is still able to blow it away.
Dinosaur should die anyway but usually slowly.

Another guy who needs reminding of why EOSHD started... suddenly cost wasn't a barrier to entry any more, people could pick up a GH1 or 5D Mark II and shoot cinematic images for cheap.
Isn't that what's great about the Pocket 6K?
If the image stands up head and shoulders (even above) C200 RAW but costs FAR less, with arguably a better RAW codec (and internal ProRes) to boot... That is exciting.
Then again it's no surprise to long-time EOSHD members! I remember comparing the C300 early on (when pros were gushing over it) with the Samsung NX1 when it first came out. The 4K from the NX1 beat the shit out of the C300's image quality - yes, in terms of skintones and colour too.
You sure can shoot a documentary bare bones with some cameras more easily than others... Pick up a GH5 for instance, and you can shoot bare bones better than with a C200 thanks to the stabilisation and smaller size.

First off, the C200, C300 MK2, are work horse cameras. You can literally shoot entire documentary with a bare bones package. The reliability, form factor, ND filters and XLR ports make things so easy. The batteries run for literally 4/5 hours. It is ridiculously easy to color grade. The skin tones have a softness and smoothness that the pocket just does not produce.
Also, this guy is a youtube review guy. The pocket 4k clips so damn hard. If you clip highlights, it looks terrible. His example shots are literally the best case scenario. He also keeps talking about "how accurate the green in the trees are." To be honest, the trees look like Sony green, with lots of yellow. Kind of sickly.
Sharper is not better. That pocket is looking harsh in comparison. It almost looks like the C200 has an extra scrim up to soften the light. The forehead and cheeks have this harshness in the highlights that literally does not exist with the C200.
 

Just to say, my ol' 5DMkII system was one great run.
Seriously, untill the old mis-mangement is retired or fired, I will never look at another Canon ad, or anything else.
After the 5DMkII, Canon had died.
They will never change without new blood.
 

We won’t go against anyone if one follows the rule and respect to others effort. However, a lot of China based companies are notorious for their habit of IP theft around the world. It is not sole case of Huawei being part of it but no doubt she did quite a lot.
 
Huawei's Espionage Plans Confirmed by Ridiculously Incriminating Emails (Stole IP from T-mobile)
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2019/01/huawei-t-mobile-ridiculous-corporate-espionage-emails.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/28/huawei-pleads-not-guilty-accusations-it-stole-t-mobiles-trade-secrets
Huawei suspected to have stolen Akhan’s Diamond glass technology, targeted by FBI at CES 2019
https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/02/05/huawei-suspected-to-have-stolen-akhans-diamond-glass-technology-targeted-by-fbi-at-ces-2019/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-04/huawei-sting-offers-rare-glimpse-of-u-s-targeting-chinese-giant
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/huawei-akhan-semiconductor-202413843.html
Huawei P30 Pro alleged to be querying China servers behind the scenes
https://en.ocworkbench.com/huawei-p30-pro-alleged-to-be-querying-china-servers-behind-the-scenes/
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669
 
By the way, how many innovators in kickstarters mourned for their loss when doing business with the Chinese manufacturers? Who does have empathy for them?
IP Theft: Crowdfunding sites are being harvested by Chinese counterfeiters
https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/02/kickstarter-and-china-manufacturing-youve-got-it-all-wrong.html
Kickstarter and China Manufacturing: You’ve Got it All Wrong
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ip-theft-crowdfunding-sites-are-being-harvested-by_b_580bbee3e4b099c43431971b
 
She is not alone. Other than IP theft, ZTE just helped China government doing business with Iran remotely that ignored the sanctions. This is epic fail case to China because ZTE is too stupid to ask a Jewish lawyer to handle the documents.   
US slaps China’s ZTE with 7-year components ban for breaching terms of sanctions settlement
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2142002/us-slaps-zte-seven-year-components-ban-breaching-terms-sanctions
 
And the most horrible thing is China see morality is nothing on the critical bio-tech.
China baby gene editing claim 'dubious'.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-46342195
 
No doubt, the technology innovation is strong in China in certain area. But it is meaningless if morality is eliminated. It is so tired to explain why Huawei and other Chinese companies do not deserve your sympathy. Mourning for a loss of optical zoom smartphone just proves how short-sight of oneself.

God Bless you for your service. My grandfather has 3 Purple Hearts and is buried at Arlington. I'm surprised by the love for China. It's the good guy bad guy thing and the USA is not the bad guy. If the America is the bad guy then who the hell is the good guys? 

We won’t go against anyone if one follows the rule and respect to others effort. However, a lot of China based companies are notorious for their habit of IP theft around the world. It is not sole case of Huawei being part of it but no doubt she did quite a lot.
 
Huawei's Espionage Plans Confirmed by Ridiculously Incriminating Emails (Stole IP from T-mobile)
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2019/01/huawei-t-mobile-ridiculous-corporate-espionage-emails.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/28/huawei-pleads-not-guilty-accusations-it-stole-t-mobiles-trade-secrets
Huawei suspected to have stolen Akhan’s Diamond glass technology, targeted by FBI at CES 2019
https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/02/05/huawei-suspected-to-have-stolen-akhans-diamond-glass-technology-targeted-by-fbi-at-ces-2019/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-04/huawei-sting-offers-rare-glimpse-of-u-s-targeting-chinese-giant
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/huawei-akhan-semiconductor-202413843.html
Huawei P30 Pro alleged to be querying China servers behind the scenes
https://en.ocworkbench.com/huawei-p30-pro-alleged-to-be-querying-china-servers-behind-the-scenes/
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669
 
By the way, how many innovators in kickstarters mourned for their loss when doing business with the Chinese manufacturers? Who does have empathy for them?
IP Theft: Crowdfunding sites are being harvested by Chinese counterfeiters
https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/02/kickstarter-and-china-manufacturing-youve-got-it-all-wrong.html
Kickstarter and China Manufacturing: You’ve Got it All Wrong
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ip-theft-crowdfunding-sites-are-being-harvested-by_b_580bbee3e4b099c43431971b
 
She is not alone. Other than IP theft, ZTE just helped China government doing business with Iran remotely that ignored the sanctions. This is epic fail case to China because ZTE is too stupid to ask a Jewish lawyer to handle the documents.   
US slaps China’s ZTE with 7-year components ban for breaching terms of sanctions settlement
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2142002/us-slaps-zte-seven-year-components-ban-breaching-terms-sanctions
 
And the most horrible thing is China see morality is nothing on the critical bio-tech.
China baby gene editing claim 'dubious'.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-46342195
 
No doubt, the technology innovation is strong in China in certain area. But it is meaningless if morality is eliminated. It is so tired to explain why Huawei and other Chinese companies do not deserve your sympathy. Mourning for a loss of optical zoom smartphone just proves how short-sight of oneself.

We won’t go against anyone if one follows the rule and respect to others effort. However, a lot of China based companies are notorious for their habit of IP theft around the world. It is not sole case of Huawei being part of it but no doubt she did quite a lot.
 
Huawei's Espionage Plans Confirmed by Ridiculously Incriminating Emails (Stole IP from T-mobile)
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2019/01/huawei-t-mobile-ridiculous-corporate-espionage-emails.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/28/huawei-pleads-not-guilty-accusations-it-stole-t-mobiles-trade-secrets
Huawei suspected to have stolen Akhan’s Diamond glass technology, targeted by FBI at CES 2019
https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/02/05/huawei-suspected-to-have-stolen-akhans-diamond-glass-technology-targeted-by-fbi-at-ces-2019/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-04/huawei-sting-offers-rare-glimpse-of-u-s-targeting-chinese-giant
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/huawei-akhan-semiconductor-202413843.html
Huawei P30 Pro alleged to be querying China servers behind the scenes
https://en.ocworkbench.com/huawei-p30-pro-alleged-to-be-querying-china-servers-behind-the-scenes/
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669
 
By the way, how many innovators in kickstarters mourned for their loss when doing business with the Chinese manufacturers? Who does have empathy for them?
IP Theft: Crowdfunding sites are being harvested by Chinese counterfeiters
https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/02/kickstarter-and-china-manufacturing-youve-got-it-all-wrong.html
Kickstarter and China Manufacturing: You’ve Got it All Wrong
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ip-theft-crowdfunding-sites-are-being-harvested-by_b_580bbee3e4b099c43431971b
 
She is not alone. Other than IP theft, ZTE just helped China government doing business with Iran remotely that ignored the sanctions. This is epic fail case to China because ZTE is too stupid to ask a Jewish lawyer to handle the documents.   
US slaps China’s ZTE with 7-year components ban for breaching terms of sanctions settlement
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2142002/us-slaps-zte-seven-year-components-ban-breaching-terms-sanctions
 
And the most horrible thing is China see morality is nothing on the critical bio-tech.
China baby gene editing claim 'dubious'.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-46342195
 
No doubt, the technology innovation is strong in China in certain area. But it is meaningless if morality is eliminated. It is so tired to explain why Huawei and other Chinese companies do not deserve your sympathy. Mourning for a loss of optical zoom smartphone just proves how short-sight of oneself.

The Chinese can have whatever Industrial Revolution they want. The problem with the “Chinese tech revolution” is their revolution involves stealing technology from the West.

I think a lot of people is over worry about the collapse of Huawei and put all the damn on Trump. As someone already mentioned, the sanction shouldn’t be only Trump’s own will but a consensus of the parliament and other countries in the alliance. We can punish a theft by legal system but that’s the only way to suppress a misbehaved company diplomatically.
When prosecuting Huawei is being seen as no difference from killing innovation, we all seem leaving the hazard of nation and personal security behind just because of its tempting technology and affordable price. “Free” is expensive, not to mention that you may have to pay real money and your privacy to exchange for the sweetie technology. I am not going to dig too much deeper on this issue but would like to share some figure that the fall of Huawei and Chinese gadget may not as tragic as you thought.
Do you still think China has the lowest labor wage on earth? It used to be but it’s not anymore.
In 2012, an iPhone assembly line worker got paid for about US$362 per month.
In 2018, the wage just goes up to US$579, 60% increment after 6 years. It is reasonable because the labors deserve a better paid for economic growth.
However, the fact is the the wage of a Vietnamese factory labor is between US$150-250, which already lower than the level of China in 2012. Indeed, Samsung has already made their smartphone in Vietnam since 2014 and several photo equipment manufacturers such as Fujifilm, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax or Tamron are making their cameras or lenses in Philippine, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam. China is not the only or the most attractive place any more. Panasonic even moved back several assembly line to Japan because the entire cost in China is not lower than in Japan due to the tax policy and exchange rate.
Another concern of chips manufacturing in China is also not a too big deal in the high end area. China has Fab plants making chips but most of them are two generations behind the updated process. If my information is correct, the most advanced process in China should be 14nm so far which is not in pace with the conventional 12nm, 10nm or 7nm process. Thanks to the enforced IP exchange policy in Mainland China, all manufacturers are just too aware of the aggressiveness and patient-theft record of this non-trustable country. That’s why they always keep the best on their own hand and build the Fab plants in US, Japan, Taiwan, Korea or Israel instead of in China. The convention technology in China is just able to produce medium or entry level products. So iPhone won’t be affected to much because they never rely on the Fab plant in China. But the manufacturing of circuit board might be affected in certain level, of course.
After all, DJI may be the only brand I feel empathy because it has good track record and well behaved in the industry. I hope it can be excluded finally and prove itself clean. Otherwise, Trump should teach GoPro to fly for filling in the gap.

“The US has transitioned very successfully to a services based economy. I don't understand why so many Americans want the polluting labour intensive factories back and to plunder the land for massive amounts of raw material. That's why you have China, they are willing to do all of this and pollute their environment, so you don't have to, and so your kids can go to a nice school, get a good education and have a nice job that doesn't depend on manual labour.”
 
The desire for cheap gear does not justify moving laborious polluting industries. The American government and industry need to take responsibility and develop  procedures and methods to mitigate and manage harmful side effects to manufacturing. The fact that the polluting has been moved offshore thousands of miles away does not mean it does not effect you. The pollutants find there way here much like the cheap gear did. 
I have been to Guangzhou, I have seen the polluted air, it’s a sad realization when you see millions of young people being sacrificed in order to generate revenue for the country. Pollution doesn’t just go off into space it follows trade winds and ocean currents eventually normalizes in the atmosphere and ecosystem. Not only does China steal IP, force technology transfer and not open their market they damage your air and ocean all while making money off of you.
No one holds them accountable because the people who should be doing that are busy making money from it and the everyday consumer is happy with their latest cheap gadget. Donald trump is a silly incompetent individual and is probably doing this out of a temper tantrum but it is the right thing to do.
 
Everything has a cost and sooner or later people realize it. Millions of people rush to shop at Walmart and target then they wonder where their jobs went.  

Exactly the world is not like back then (as in a year ego even). The United States, Europe, South America, etc have a choice of which businesses they let operate in their respective countries. So if for example European countries decide that it's unfair that their citizens have to pay social security, health care, etc and Chinese workers don't have equal protection they can decide to block Chinese products from their markets. If they find that German companies are forced to share their know-how with a Chinese company, know-how that may have taken decades to develop, and are subsequently used in a 100% Chinese company to compete against the join-venture then Germany may say that this Chinese company may not import it's goods in Germany/Europe.
What the world is like is exactly what is being reevaluated. European bureaucrats even before Trump were starting to reevaluate their economic dealings with China and what the cost was to European business. This will only accelerate it. China won't have it as easy in the future. But the Chinese government is at this point still one step ahead. Their Silkroad initiative is all about extending it's economic power to the world and making entire economic regions like Africa dependent on them. Note that some African countries are already voting differently in the UN on issues like Taiwain, Tibet, Uighurs, etc because of China's growing influence. Chinese companies are never truly independent of the state. So Huawei isn't just a company ... it's a tool to extend the Chinese way of doing business.

How many Chinese companies are forced to find a 50% local partner to share their technology with? Zero. What's it look like when a US or European company wants to operate a business in China.
Are Facebook, Google, freely available in China? In contrast are there restrictions on Chines companies like TikTok, WeChat, etc across the world?
It's amazing to me how China wields just one of their tools, censorship (which on it's own you should be objecting too!), as an economic tool to keep businesses out and you all don't have a problem with it. And by the way it's not Facebook or Google's fault that Europe doesn't have good equivalents. How hard is it to start a social network? The US and Europe mostly have free markets (and please don't think European markets are entirely free).
China has a state run policy designed to put foreign companies at a disadvantage.  Huawei didn't have to set up a 50% joint venture with an American or European company, Huawai benefits from import rules that can result in paying less customs duties than a US company within the United States. China is fighting tooth and nails not to be reclassified as anything other than a developing country. It's laughable.  It amazes me how excited European consumers are to buy Huawei phones considering the long term cost to their own jobs and well being.
At this point even Samsung has my sympathy because they are fighting against Chinese companies that can absorb years of losses and profits due to government funds and loans. It is not a level playing field, China is making sure of it, so Trump may have faulty logic but he's drawing the right conclusion. Europe needs to invest massively in R&D and new ways of manufacturing or the continent is in trouble. Just look at recent Der Spiegel issue (for those of you in Germany) as an example of where entire German industries are facing issues both self-made and foreign made because they had to transfer decades worth of know-how to their Chinese joint-venture companies.
I have no beef with the Chinese nor China's government which has lift up the country economically but I do have a major problem with pretending that Huawei (of all companies! I encourage you to read up more about how that company is run and by whom) is worthy of a second of our sympathy.

I think the whole world needs to wake up and understand depending pretty much on China to make their stuff is a huge mistake. I am not talking as a personal insult to China. I respect what they have done. But the whole damn world is putting their eggs in one basket here. Nations are loosing their national identity, people out of work. This is leading to a F ing total disaster. You can't have one country making everything and the rest just going belly up, and not abide by the rules.
That is the trouble with this crap. Trump is just a small ass piece of all of this. Britain is just about to be a nobody country soon. Other European countries are nearly in a worse shape. This is all some serious shit. South America is going to shit also. It Ain't going to get better keeping it the way it is. This has no good end without some big ass change. A hell of a lot of countries are to blame for letting this crap happen.

What rules?
New (state) terrorism rule over free market they learned Chinese to make it, better than anyone else in the world??
 
Shame on these bureaucrats!
They deserve a fine kick in their ass instead. This is not free world nor democracy. This is anything but a corporate declaration of war, moreover, pretending to be on people's defense is really worse, just a totalitarian act in disguise. To play very low and dirty.
 
 
PS:
" (...) the P30 Pro won't be available to US buyers for political reasons"
https://www.cnet.com/news/reasons-buy-huawei-p30-pro-vs-galaxy-s10-plus/
Yup, 5G. This reminds me Warsaw Pact period or more recently DPRK (for some reason, that orange baby started to praise the rocket man...)
People gave their own lives to change all that political crap which contaminated the planet for decades... Restraining Economy and cut lives of hundreds of millions of people for several generations without clue what yogurt was, go figure diversity of different types, limited to milk and bread produced by the usual suspects when not famine.
Sustained and redefined now by actual morons!
 
 
This is a very serious attack against progress, development, equity and finally the humankind itself as a whole.
 
 
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Its not Trump's decision. It's a decision made by many people in the government, including democrats, to stop China breaking the "global industrial democracy" rules. Trump just loved to approve it. Its not about market domination (Obama sided with Apple in their fight with Samsung, and it didn't stop Samsung from gaining market share in the US), its not about lagging behind tech (Taiwan is already ahead of Intel), its about respecting the rules. Whatever they are.

So basically Huawei is the leader in 5g but without american components that tech just can't be used. How is this not a good thing for the americans? 5g is the future of tech. I don't think the short-term loss for these chip makers matters compared to the advantages of being no 1 in 5g. And if you think the americans aren't playing fair then the same can be said about the chinese. Just consider how they got to this point. 

Hungry is just a metaphor of greedy. The problem of China is that she ruins her natural resource and intelligent people instead of doing sustainable development or encourage innovation such as protecting intellectual property. The CCP and some people in China are just too harsh to be success in every aspect, especially in technology and military because both help to build up the prestige of CCP and usually being used as a patriotic propaganda. If they can’t get in pace with other countries, just steal it. This kind of thought is quite common to Mainland Chinese because of some historical reasons.
About 150 years ago, China was still under the regime of Ching Dynasty. Eight-Nation Alliance used to rip off China causing certain degree of damage by stealing the properties from the emperor. That’s one of the reason behind the thought. Another reason is the damage during WWII. Japanese troops invaded China for almost 8 years. These two reasons of being humiliated by the foreign countries are always manipulated to advocate the revenging emotion of general people. Indeed, IP theft is the result of this kind of thought. Mainland Chinese just believe stealing can compensate their loss in hundred years ago and being seen as patriotism.
Another problem of China is that after they ruin the nature resource and agriculture for infrastructure that they need to find other resource to meet the market demand. Thus, they exploit other countries’ resource aggressively, especially the ocean and wildlife in Africa. It causes tension in South East Asia and lead to species extinction.
That’s why I said let the hungry people suffer. They cause their own problem but try to fix it by exploiting other countries. That’s shame for a so called intelligence race on earth. Mainland Chinese never learn fair-play and respect their companions. When Germany and Japan proof themselves can be good to the world after WWII, China just still stays victimized herself but not to improve their morality all because it is under the regime of CCP.
Chinese can be good. Taiwan just proves herself that a proper democracy system can help a nation and country stay strong. But I believe most of the people in Taiwan prefer to claim themselves Taiwanese whatever their roots are from China.
I think Mainland Chinese should learn a good lesson from the trade war.
By the way, when you meet a Chinese someday, try to ask where the person came from. Chinese as a nation is widespread in the world but it doesn’t mean all Chinese are from Mainland China. Try to be subtle, you may find a lot of different between Hongkonger, Taiwanese, Singaporean and Malaysian Chinese. That’s complicated but that’s still the best way to avoid being racist.
Whatever you hate Trump, please let him stay in his position until he put president Xi and CCP down. After that just go fxck him whatever your like. 

I think that Chinese mirror say: That’s why I said let the fat greedy people suffer. They cause their own problem but try to fix it by further exploiting/exterminating other countries/civilizations. That’s shame for a so called intelligence race on earth.

JAJAJJA....trump should be in jail if is not for the GOP who protect him, trump is a criminal, a Russian Asset...and  a Liar.
What happened to  "Mexico will pay for the wall"???? he said that thousand of times, is he doing what he promised??NO AND NO...stop watching fox news 24/7 open your eyes....you are in the trump cult.
The real enemy for the West is Putin, he wants to destroy The West from the inside, he is using propaganda and right-wing extremist in order to reach his goal.
Trump is following Putin's orders, he owed the Russian mafia billions has no way to pay them but to obey...and by the way trump IS AN IDIOT

I found this post quite entertaining to me because it reflects the POVs of most western people on the US-Sino trade war which is a little bit surprise and not surprise to me.
What the comments surprised me are that a lot of people see US acting against Huawei is to kill the competitor for the US companies but simply ignore the IP theft and more seriously, the state-controlled nature of the tech giant. Why I tend to believe that US is doing the right thing is because that’s how China government control people in their country. There are already 200 million CCTV installed (P.S. China population is 1.4 billion) in the whole country in every accessible corner with face recognition technology which can spot your position and send order to police grabbing you within 7 minutes. Not just that, there is another brand called hikvision, one of the largest CCTV manufacturer in the world which produces the CCTV with backdoor or even without admin password. That means everyone can access to the cameras simply by the IP address and your home or office will become Trueman Show for free. There was already a case about the CCTV produced by Xiami which is spotted by the network technician for its transferring 40GB of video to a server in mainland China without precaution. In my mind, Huawei is just another bad ass company that is no different from others in PRC. A theft never claims himself theft.
Please beware that Huawei is tech company with sophisticated branding and social media technique to cover her ambitious of penetrating your daily life by the smartphone and 5G technology. The 10x optical zoom is so sweet and the price is lower than the over-priced iPhone which is quite tempting for every user. However, once you own the phone and start taking photos or talking, your privacy should be gone immediately. The phone is usually pre-installed Tik Tok and Wechat which are already reported the most unsecured application of privacy. PRC may not interested in your private life. But if the phones are being used by the people working in government or military officer, I.T. industries or any other organization with valuable IP asset or sensitive information, all the effort of building up for nation security and innovation will be sold silently which is too late when you are woken up.
Don’t be short sight on this “little” matter. Trade war may bring damage to economic but it is a must to go against the potential hazard before it is unrecoverable. The next battle line is not trade war but network war which target to infrastructure from communication, traffic system or electricity that are connected to network. If 5G is controlled, your life is controlled, possibly, by China government.
Why you should trust what I said is because I live in Hong Kong, just next to my enemy and I am fucked by my government every day. That's also why I said your comments are not surprise to me because you are not close enough to the source of information. 
@Kisaha FYI, always search for information with opposite opinion. I dare saying that every official information announced by China government is not trustable. The debt of China should be 300% of the GDP. I know what the real financial situation there. If you want information in English, please click the link below. What Panos Mourdoukoutas said is not far from truth. Another financial tsunami is almost coming. Buy gold to secure yourself.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2018/11/24/debt-not-trade-war-is-chinas-biggest-problem
@DBounce I believe that we are living in the same dimension. Glad to know that I have companion.
@Yurolov You are on my side, too. Bless you.
 

@MochaP I hear you mate, I recall when Hong Kong was given back to China. Many tried to flee to the UK. It’s hard to live in a free society and suddenly lose your rights.
Too many on this forum seem to be backing the wrong team for the sake of cheaper electronics. As far as I’m concerned, while I enjoy cameras, smartphones and other gadgets, human freedoms take precedence over silly toys that will be worthless in five years.
The West has its flaws, but it’s still a beacon of hope when compared to communists countries. It’s too bad so many spoiled, self loathing western can’t grasp that fact. If the West falls, it will be those ingrates that caused its demise from the inside out.
Make no mistake of it... China is a enemy of the West. This may change in time... but there is no guarantee it will.