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16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Magenta in the WEX video 100% a result of their grade. Aggressive NR is = YouTube's compression.

So here are some ORIGINAL files to play with straight off my card. 1.4GB's worth.

https://we.tl/t-rELYefyjCr

These are 10bit 422 V-LOG / V-Gamut on default settings. I recommend avoiding VLC Player to look at these especially on a Mac. Messes up the gamma curve. They won't play in Quicktime either. Pop em in Resolve or your NLE of choice and give them a good LUT. I used Fuji's F-LOG to Eterna BT709 LUT which worked well and built in Premiere Arri Amira LUT in Premiere was a good match.

Lens: Nikon 55mm F1.2 AI with variable ND filter

Thanks a lot Andrew, will play with it this afternoon. What do you think about the IBIS ? From all the reviews I read and watched, they put it, for some, at the GH5 level, and even in the G9 league for others (I guess it is with dual IS and the 24-105).

9 hours ago, BrunoCH said:

Here is a music video shot for the musicbed challenge. On this project my assistant is the director and I help her. Shot on my XT3; F-log, 4K DCI, 24fps, 400 Mbps, All-I.

https://challenge.musicbed.com/submissions/the-rise/rHvFZz

Beautiful and captivating ! Ah, and so much flexibility that makes me jealous and my back cracking  ?

This camera is more and more tempting ! The S1H could really be wonderful, given what we see here. With Sigma surprise announcements on top of that, not a bad start for the L alliance !

36 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Unless you are shooting sports or wildlife Video hardly ever has a need for long lenses. 85mm is even pushing it in FF lengths. You want Wide more than Long, at least at first.

People are Really not into seeing sheep on a hill 700 meters away trust me lol.

Don, please... I might be the only one into that I guess ahah (a trauma from Iceland I believe ! ) ?

44 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

i have 18-55, come with xt3

But i know il will need a longer lens

I am thinking the 55 200, or may be one or two good tele primes? 

Joke aside, during my Fuji love affair I played with my wife's 55-200 (I personally had the 50-140), and what a beast ! I preferred it to my big and heavy 50-140 f2.8.
The OIS is really great and the reach was very useful for our style : landscape/documentary/ nature photography + videography. We love to film (and photograph) isolated subjects or patterns far away, for example a beautiful small light on a big mountain wall, or reindeers mating on the toundra, while waiting for the auroras time ?  . For this kind of use, the 55-200 really excel. Only downside is the absence of kind of weather resistance, as we encounter a lot of bad conditions. Oh, and it doesn't take the 1.4TC. For long lenses you can try the 100-400, but it is... a real beast. I thought about a fringer adapter + a canon mount sigma 100-400 too.

I'm still debating between a Z6, a S1 and maybe a X-T3 ; if I go with the latter, the 55-200 will be with me, cause I really like those fluffy sheeps grazing in the far distant ?

16 minutes ago, Phil A said:

But if you're ordering them into the EU, you'll pay VAT and the end price is more or less the same.

I'm having my eyes on how the TechArt adapter story develops, especially the stacking of the Z-to-E + E-to-M mount adapters. 

Yes you are right, it is more interesting for people like me that leaves at the boundary, because we can still benefit from the warranty by directly bringing the camera to the store, for example at Geneva (that, of course, only if there is a big price difference after having add VAT). I believe some camera brands refuse to repair cameras bought in Switzerland.

And yes, with current rebates, you can find it at more or less 2000€, which is the same as Switzerland + VAT I guess (https://audiophil-foto.de/de/shop/kameras/nikon/nikon-z6-z-24-7040-s_5688_559). Same debate as with grey market, which becomes less interesting when you add VAT...
 

I'm also waiting to see how it works with the TechArt, as I'm debating between buying the Z6 again or wait for a S1 (have to save more...). I want to use certain Canon lenses, so I need to check the stacking of MC-11>>TechArt>>Z ! Anyway, good times to hunt for a camera !!

9 hours ago, Timotheus said:

Man, German pricing is wild.
A Z6, FTZ adapter, 24-70 F4 and that wonderful 50 F1.8 combined for less than 2500 euro.
Or leave the FTZ adapter and end up below 2400...

I was looking for a lightweight hybrid (Lumix S1 therefore no option). No way I am gonna support cripplin' Canon. So it went between the a7iii and the Z6...
Seeing the nikon AF improve so drastically after the last firmware, with the promised external RAW and now this epic discount: count me in as a first time Nikon owner.

Now to hoping the small Samyang AF primes don't take too long...

Great ! Switzerland prices are even wilder ! Did you see my previous link ? Z6 + 24-70 the same price as the Fuji xt3 +18-55 ! Crazy...

For lenses, don't know if you would like to go the nikon G adapted route, but I loved their 1.8G prime line-up ; at least they are really good for photography : not too expensive, really lightweight, good quality... plastic made and not great for manual video focusing though.

I really liked the 20, 24, 50 and 85 ! Great kit. I think they may be too "clinical" for some, depending on what you want as output.

12 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Also @Andrew Reid what does “Cinemagraph” mean in the second slide? I’d like to see a demonstration of that.

3 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Only two things on my to do list.

1. Pre-order this

2. Prepare for all the negativity spawned by hype and then disappointment when people realize that all Sigmas so far, lovely as they are, are iso100 cameras.

Mattias, I was waiting for you to come quickly, thinking you would be the most excited !!

4 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Man might ditch other camera and go for L mount exclusively, 4K raw in such tiny body! Paired with the 45 2.8 this is pretty compact, lighter than a7iii body by itself

Oh sh*t, did not see the (BIG AND UNMISSABLE) CDN thing...
I was thinking about go the S1 route for photo/video uses and later add a bmpcc4k... but S1 + this one, sharing the same mount : quite tempting !

2 hours ago, thephoenix said:

love this one. so fucked up ?

 

 

ahah, that was... hm, not sure how I feel after that, but love it too ? "Fucked up" sum it up well !

39 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said:

Also, Sigma plans to release their trio of APS-C lenses as L-Mount next year? https://***URL removed***/news/8499432688/sigma-updates-l-mount-lens-roadmap-through-2020

The plot thickens.

So, could it indicate that an apsc L-mount will be release ? Sigma foveon... or panasonic ?

9 minutes ago, Phil A said:

 

 

I thought the same. But you can always use a screen loupe like shown in their concept video.

I'm very intrigued. I want this. Now! Take.My.Money.

Is it just me or the video really emphasize on the video side (with the rig) ?

29 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don't have an S1 but out of curiosity I downloaded the v1.2 and v1.1 bin files.

I wasn't particularly surprised that they would be different sizes but hadn't expected the v1.2 file to be 4.5x bigger than v1.1....

Upon, erm, closer inspection, v1.2 contains multiple loaders and post boot references which might suggest that there is more to come in terms of additional functionality via additional license fees.

Let the RAW speculation commence

Oh no... I'm really gonna sell an arm, in addition to my already discounted kidney, in order to get a S1 !!

1 hour ago, omega1978 said:

But how you received it?In italy i don't have find a shop that sell the key... 

I do not have the camera (yet ! I am trying to sell a kidney right now ? ), but I am closely reading about it. From what I understand, the upgrade comes free for every buy until September 30.

You then have to fill in a form, and you later receive a letter. Here is the official page for the promotion + the form : https://offre-lumix-s1.e-odr.fr/fr/?fbclid=IwAR2sz9mtUEs6NWeK1aRt-jzQWyX-WDyHmO8TK1wLf3c8o0_xcjOblspD0Nk

13 minutes ago, omega1978 said:

In italy you have to pay for the key, and they don't know the release date ?. The EU is only there when we have to pay tax...

Strange decision, it is free here in France.

2 minutes ago, nathlas said:

Any link of this ?

Here you are : https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/

33 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

 

Interesting he claimed 2 stops advantage over Sony A7III

This guy measured the A7III at 13.1 in SLOG3 :

Even if those numbers were a little overvalued, the advantage of the S1 over the A7III would still be very good !

Samples here, including comparison with A7iii :

3 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I suspect its more political than technical.

With the MC11 they only had to satisfy themselves whereas with the MC21 they have to satisfy their other two partners in the L alliance, both of whom want to sell their own lenses.

Leica threw their toys out of the pram completely and won't entertain the MC21 being on their cameras at all and I would suspect the compromise with Panasonic is that Sigma favour compatibility with the SA mount version of it rather than the EF version.

Sigma always maintained that the MC11 would only work with their own EF lenses rather than Canon or other manufacturers yet we all know that to be quite a conservative stance! In the case of the MC21 perhaps that stipulation has to be seen to be more literal.

When Sigma release the L mount versions of the SD Quattros it will be interesting to see how much better the compatibility of the MC21s are on those.

 

Good point, I too thought about the "partners to satisfy" idea, but I am too naive and told myself that they only want to satisfy customers ?
But I guess it is quite logical in their alliance balance : do not ruin our plan by allowing everybody to use canon lenses and preventing them from buying ours !

If I was to buy it, it would only annoy me with the photography side. For video, with long lenses, I would manual focus only anyway, thus caring much for ibis and lowlight.

3 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I doubt the S1 is actually getting 14 stops of dynamic range in video. But yeah more dynamic range would be nice. 

I personally think the GH5S sensor is amazing, but it was better utilized in the Pocket 4k. Something with Pocket 4k capabilities + IBIS and good auto focus would be game changing IMHO. 

No idea if their tests are relevant, but cinema5D measured the dynamic range :

Given the first Vlog tests on youtube, it really seems to have quite more dynamic range with it, so it will end up not being to bad !!

Just came across this MC-21 compatibility list someone made : https://www.tttphotography.com/sigma-mc-21-ef-l-lens-adapter-compatibility/

As I was interested to know how the canon 200 f2.8 and 100-400 ii work, I'm glad to read the results are quite good ! I even watched a video (from Wex if I remember, or maybe Park cameras....) where they test the canon 100-400, and it is really really good (at least good for photo).

Strangely, they report the sigma 100-400 contemporary doesn't work, while sigma put it on the official compatibility list !

They really missed out with this MC21 adapter... seriously. Why they did not "surf" on the MC11 relative success and use that experience to make the same with this one ? I guess it must be for technical reasons but, still, given the price of those new lenses, it would have been great to obtain the mc11 compatibility level.

Does anybody know what type of card is mandatory to take advantage of the new vlog recording ? From what I've read, xqd is only needed for 180fps. I guess, a v90 sd card would be sufficient for everything else ?

Damn, I haven't got the needed money to buy this monster, but big sales are putting it right now at a decent price... and make me feel less in need for money ?

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

If the BMPCC had stayed at $500 RRP new (instead of being a very short lived sale) then now by late 2019 I'm sure we'd be able to buy an OG BMPCC for the EOSHD Cheap Camera competition! 

Sadly it is not to be ?
 

But I keep the idea for a next challenge, when the og pocket will cost less than 200 (OK, could take years...) ? !

Just an info after having browse the manual and watch stuffs about it.  The Ex. tele converter function that works on the gh5, g9 (and others I guess), which is, I believe, similar to Sony's "clear zoom", is present on the S1. This, combined with the really effective ibis ("the hybrid shooter" on YT says it is close to the G9, when using IS2 with a compatible lens), is really appealing to me. Even if autofocus appears to be "meh" with the sigma MC21 adapter, it is possible to use lenses like the Canon 200 f2.8, and make it a really versatile tool by using the crop mode + Ex teleconverter. Same for the sigma 100-400 etc. Some guys on YT post a lot of birding video + photo samples with the Sony A7iii + mc11 + sigma 150-600 + clear zoom, and the results are very good ; at least from a "poor man's" versatile wildlife kit. With the S1, you add on top of that a very effective ibis...

Too bad, prices are quite high ?

39 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

You still can't buy a BMPCC OG for $500 new today!

Even secondhand they're often selling for that price or more. 

Yes its crazy ! Not so long ago, it was still selling brand new for around 1000€, while the bmpcc4k was at 1300€ !
 

1 hour ago, Castorp said:

A sale doesn’t necessarily mean a camera isn’t selling. It can also be aggressive marketing. Just like Canon practically were giving away cameras in the 90’s, not because they weren’t selling, but to gain market share. 

Nikon got a lot of flak for not marketing. Now they’re getting flak for marketing. 

Sony is in a good place since they have an established system already. Canon is the market leader. Both have less incentive than Nikon to market hard.

Or perhaps Nikon aren’t selling? Who knows.

Fujifilm have been doing regular sales for the past years despite doing well for example. Giving away free software updates is another example of marketing. A software engineer isn’t any less costly than a hardware engineer per hour.

Sony were eating huge costs during the first years of the A7. New models were released constantly and the price of the “old” models were reduced. Meanwhile Nikon were selling the D750 and Canon the 6D for years with better profit and returns on investment.

I don’t see Nikon’s marketing now being necessarily different from Sony’s marketing a couple years ago. 

The only conclusion is that I don’t know. Unless a person has extensive education and experience in the relevant field of economics, and good connections with manufacturers I don’t think they have a clue either. 

Yes true, and economics is a field I know nothing about so I won't presume anything ahah ?
But still, in your examples, canon and fujifilm are deliberate sales, cashback etc. Here, with Nikon, it is just the market prices going down or some shops that deliberately cut the price in a surprising way...
But as you said, maybe the point is to establish a users basis, pushing the adoption of existing Nikon dslr users, and quickly move to a 2nd generation that will be really above competition (which the z6 already is in a lot of areas).

Anyway, this is good news for us customers ?
Oh, and we can add to your examples the flash sales of blackmagic some years ago, with a pocket cinema camera almost sold for half its regular price (if I remember !) ! We can dream the same thing with the bmpcc4k...