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2 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Actually I don't take Cinema5d's dynamic range tests very seriously, tbo. 

Hopefully someone who doesn't give the C300 15 stops (or more) or the GH5 10 stops, does a more balanced test. 

Ah you are right... Did they get into controversy at some point, forcing them to explain and justify their protocol ? I think I recall something like that...

1 minute ago, sanveer said:

And curiously he claims the Vlog adds nothing more to the dynamic range  except perhaps malleability. 

yes ! I'm really no expert, but I would be surprised that Panasonic offer such an upgrade with no substantial benefits on dynamic range, while this particular point is advertised as a "plus" of the upgrade (I also try not be too naive with marketing though ? )

19 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Judging by the discounts and cash back incentives on virtually all of the brands, I don't think any of them are having a particularly bumper time sales wise.

The problem for Nikon is that the L mount is building momentum through the upgrade of the S1, the announcement of the FP, the availability of the new Sigma lenses, the release of the S1H, the upcoming Sigma FF Foveon announcement and I suspect the new Leica SL isn't far off being announced now either.

None of that makes the Z6 a bad camera of course but Nikon need to wrestle some of that momentum back and a statement on when the upgrade is actually going to happen would be a start.

There's probably never been a better time NOT to buy a full frame camera though as within a few months Sony might be along with something that could blow everything out of the water, the Sigma FP might just be the full frame version of the original Pocket Cinema camera or the S1H might tick every box of being a full frame GH5s, or... if none of those things come to pass then the deflating prices of the S1 and Z6 etc will have no doubt continued anyway and they will become fantastic bargains, particularly used.

 

I always welcome your insights as a kid under the Christmas tree ? (not comparing you to Santa, promise !).

But :

19 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

There's probably never been a better time NOT to buy a full frame camera though as within a few months Sony might be along with something that could blow everything out of the water, the Sigma FP might just be the full frame version of the original Pocket Cinema camera or the S1H might tick every box of being a full frame GH5s, or... if none of those things come to pass then the deflating prices of the S1 and Z6 etc will have no doubt continued anyway and they will become fantastic bargains, particularly used.

 

Noooo, please, I will need for September/October a camera that can :

- be used as a landscape/documentary still machine

- film real-time northern lights

- survive rain/cold/snow

- offer killer IBIS to help with wildlife video recording and replace or get close to replace a Gorilla pod for "on the go" filming

- Record on easy to handle media as back-up on field will be an issue

- treat my blisters

- dry me when I am wet

-  heat me when I am cold (Sony, I see you !)

- ...

2 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Its kind of looking like the S1 only shoots at 24fps for RAW tho, which is pretty crippling in comparison to the pocket. 

S1 ? You were meaning Z6 ?

3 minutes ago, Skip77 said:

PR for the S1 and Z6 doesn't do well for all Sony's fan base on You Tube.

Yes, I found the Gerald Undone not very impartial, despite the perceive technical quality of the video (some of his fans call him "teacher" !). It may just be me, but I felt he was emphasize a little more on the advantages of the A7III, or maybe on the things the S1 does less right, while not doing the same on the opposite way. I really have to watch it again, it may be my memory, but that's my feeling from my watching. For example, the IBIS, from all we can see for now, seems miles and miles ahead on the S1, and I believe he passes quite quickly on this... which is strange, because everybody is raging when IBIS is lacking on a camera, or not efficient. Anyway, Z6 + S1 are great horses to produce beautiful images and get the job done !

He seems to like the gradability, and he also tempers the "low bitrate" while insisting on the "gorgeous image". Still, it's too short, I want to see more ?

44 minutes ago, Skip77 said:

I'm waiting on the 12 bit RAW 4K update for the Z6 before I buy the Ninja V and this update will either keep my with Nikon or I will move to the P4K or S1.

Oh, I promise  you I am in the same boat ahah. Waiting for the Z6 raw update to maybe buy one again. But the S1 ticks a lot of boxes compared to Nikon, Sony and Canon equivalent, as I place IBIS and body sturdiness above, for example, AF (I see the Z6 as a smaller and lighter S1, with better AF but less impressive IBIS, so just a matter of priorities - in any case I favor it a lot compared to Canon and Sony offering). It even could make a good combo next year with the Sigma FP. But tomorrow announcement  from Sony could make a big difference ; even if their current offering does not interest me, I am really curious to hear about it. I also read 1 or 2 persons on forums or sonyalpharumors website praying for a A7SIII announcement tomorrow, as it could, according to them, force S1 prices to be lowered in order to  compete (not sure if it is in Panasonic habits to do so) !
 

44 minutes ago, Skip77 said:

Word is that the S1 is not selling very well either. Is this true as of July - ? 

Reminds me of what I saw with the GH5-S : few reviews, but a lot of raving ones (mostly from filmmakers if I remember), and a lot of complaints concerning the lack of IBIS (and AF). For the S1 : few reviews but owners seem to love it, especially with the current updates ; on the other hand, some complaints concerning AF being behind the competition...

Maybe the VLog upgrade will help them selling the camera (as the Z6 raw updates could be a good boost) !

Ah, couldn't import the clips in Resolve (latest 16 beta), then discovered 10 bits h264 is a Resolve studio capability... So back to premiere...
I may have to buy a bmpcc4k to obtain a licence key and be able to use S1 files ?

16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Magenta in the WEX video 100% a result of their grade. Aggressive NR is = YouTube's compression.

So here are some ORIGINAL files to play with straight off my card. 1.4GB's worth.

https://we.tl/t-rELYefyjCr

These are 10bit 422 V-LOG / V-Gamut on default settings. I recommend avoiding VLC Player to look at these especially on a Mac. Messes up the gamma curve. They won't play in Quicktime either. Pop em in Resolve or your NLE of choice and give them a good LUT. I used Fuji's F-LOG to Eterna BT709 LUT which worked well and built in Premiere Arri Amira LUT in Premiere was a good match.

Lens: Nikon 55mm F1.2 AI with variable ND filter

Thanks a lot Andrew, will play with it this afternoon. What do you think about the IBIS ? From all the reviews I read and watched, they put it, for some, at the GH5 level, and even in the G9 league for others (I guess it is with dual IS and the 24-105).

9 hours ago, BrunoCH said:

Here is a music video shot for the musicbed challenge. On this project my assistant is the director and I help her. Shot on my XT3; F-log, 4K DCI, 24fps, 400 Mbps, All-I.

https://challenge.musicbed.com/submissions/the-rise/rHvFZz

Beautiful and captivating ! Ah, and so much flexibility that makes me jealous and my back cracking  ?

This camera is more and more tempting ! The S1H could really be wonderful, given what we see here. With Sigma surprise announcements on top of that, not a bad start for the L alliance !

36 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Unless you are shooting sports or wildlife Video hardly ever has a need for long lenses. 85mm is even pushing it in FF lengths. You want Wide more than Long, at least at first.

People are Really not into seeing sheep on a hill 700 meters away trust me lol.

Don, please... I might be the only one into that I guess ahah (a trauma from Iceland I believe ! ) ?

44 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

i have 18-55, come with xt3

But i know il will need a longer lens

I am thinking the 55 200, or may be one or two good tele primes? 

Joke aside, during my Fuji love affair I played with my wife's 55-200 (I personally had the 50-140), and what a beast ! I preferred it to my big and heavy 50-140 f2.8.
The OIS is really great and the reach was very useful for our style : landscape/documentary/ nature photography + videography. We love to film (and photograph) isolated subjects or patterns far away, for example a beautiful small light on a big mountain wall, or reindeers mating on the toundra, while waiting for the auroras time ?  . For this kind of use, the 55-200 really excel. Only downside is the absence of kind of weather resistance, as we encounter a lot of bad conditions. Oh, and it doesn't take the 1.4TC. For long lenses you can try the 100-400, but it is... a real beast. I thought about a fringer adapter + a canon mount sigma 100-400 too.

I'm still debating between a Z6, a S1 and maybe a X-T3 ; if I go with the latter, the 55-200 will be with me, cause I really like those fluffy sheeps grazing in the far distant ?

16 minutes ago, Phil A said:

But if you're ordering them into the EU, you'll pay VAT and the end price is more or less the same.

I'm having my eyes on how the TechArt adapter story develops, especially the stacking of the Z-to-E + E-to-M mount adapters. 

Yes you are right, it is more interesting for people like me that leaves at the boundary, because we can still benefit from the warranty by directly bringing the camera to the store, for example at Geneva (that, of course, only if there is a big price difference after having add VAT). I believe some camera brands refuse to repair cameras bought in Switzerland.

And yes, with current rebates, you can find it at more or less 2000€, which is the same as Switzerland + VAT I guess (https://audiophil-foto.de/de/shop/kameras/nikon/nikon-z6-z-24-7040-s_5688_559). Same debate as with grey market, which becomes less interesting when you add VAT...
 

I'm also waiting to see how it works with the TechArt, as I'm debating between buying the Z6 again or wait for a S1 (have to save more...). I want to use certain Canon lenses, so I need to check the stacking of MC-11>>TechArt>>Z ! Anyway, good times to hunt for a camera !!

9 hours ago, Timotheus said:

Man, German pricing is wild.
A Z6, FTZ adapter, 24-70 F4 and that wonderful 50 F1.8 combined for less than 2500 euro.
Or leave the FTZ adapter and end up below 2400...

I was looking for a lightweight hybrid (Lumix S1 therefore no option). No way I am gonna support cripplin' Canon. So it went between the a7iii and the Z6...
Seeing the nikon AF improve so drastically after the last firmware, with the promised external RAW and now this epic discount: count me in as a first time Nikon owner.

Now to hoping the small Samyang AF primes don't take too long...

Great ! Switzerland prices are even wilder ! Did you see my previous link ? Z6 + 24-70 the same price as the Fuji xt3 +18-55 ! Crazy...

For lenses, don't know if you would like to go the nikon G adapted route, but I loved their 1.8G prime line-up ; at least they are really good for photography : not too expensive, really lightweight, good quality... plastic made and not great for manual video focusing though.

I really liked the 20, 24, 50 and 85 ! Great kit. I think they may be too "clinical" for some, depending on what you want as output.

12 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Also @Andrew Reid what does “Cinemagraph” mean in the second slide? I’d like to see a demonstration of that.

3 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Only two things on my to do list.

1. Pre-order this

2. Prepare for all the negativity spawned by hype and then disappointment when people realize that all Sigmas so far, lovely as they are, are iso100 cameras.

Mattias, I was waiting for you to come quickly, thinking you would be the most excited !!

4 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Man might ditch other camera and go for L mount exclusively, 4K raw in such tiny body! Paired with the 45 2.8 this is pretty compact, lighter than a7iii body by itself

Oh sh*t, did not see the (BIG AND UNMISSABLE) CDN thing...
I was thinking about go the S1 route for photo/video uses and later add a bmpcc4k... but S1 + this one, sharing the same mount : quite tempting !

2 hours ago, thephoenix said:

love this one. so fucked up ?

 

 

ahah, that was... hm, not sure how I feel after that, but love it too ? "Fucked up" sum it up well !

39 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said:

Also, Sigma plans to release their trio of APS-C lenses as L-Mount next year? https://***URL removed***/news/8499432688/sigma-updates-l-mount-lens-roadmap-through-2020

The plot thickens.

So, could it indicate that an apsc L-mount will be release ? Sigma foveon... or panasonic ?

9 minutes ago, Phil A said:

 

 

I thought the same. But you can always use a screen loupe like shown in their concept video.

I'm very intrigued. I want this. Now! Take.My.Money.

Is it just me or the video really emphasize on the video side (with the rig) ?

29 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don't have an S1 but out of curiosity I downloaded the v1.2 and v1.1 bin files.

I wasn't particularly surprised that they would be different sizes but hadn't expected the v1.2 file to be 4.5x bigger than v1.1....

Upon, erm, closer inspection, v1.2 contains multiple loaders and post boot references which might suggest that there is more to come in terms of additional functionality via additional license fees.

Let the RAW speculation commence

Oh no... I'm really gonna sell an arm, in addition to my already discounted kidney, in order to get a S1 !!

1 hour ago, omega1978 said:

But how you received it?In italy i don't have find a shop that sell the key... 

I do not have the camera (yet ! I am trying to sell a kidney right now ? ), but I am closely reading about it. From what I understand, the upgrade comes free for every buy until September 30.

You then have to fill in a form, and you later receive a letter. Here is the official page for the promotion + the form : https://offre-lumix-s1.e-odr.fr/fr/?fbclid=IwAR2sz9mtUEs6NWeK1aRt-jzQWyX-WDyHmO8TK1wLf3c8o0_xcjOblspD0Nk

13 minutes ago, omega1978 said:

In italy you have to pay for the key, and they don't know the release date ?. The EU is only there when we have to pay tax...

Strange decision, it is free here in France.

2 minutes ago, nathlas said:

Any link of this ?

Here you are : https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/

33 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

 

Interesting he claimed 2 stops advantage over Sony A7III

This guy measured the A7III at 13.1 in SLOG3 :

Even if those numbers were a little overvalued, the advantage of the S1 over the A7III would still be very good !

Samples here, including comparison with A7iii :

3 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I suspect its more political than technical.

With the MC11 they only had to satisfy themselves whereas with the MC21 they have to satisfy their other two partners in the L alliance, both of whom want to sell their own lenses.

Leica threw their toys out of the pram completely and won't entertain the MC21 being on their cameras at all and I would suspect the compromise with Panasonic is that Sigma favour compatibility with the SA mount version of it rather than the EF version.

Sigma always maintained that the MC11 would only work with their own EF lenses rather than Canon or other manufacturers yet we all know that to be quite a conservative stance! In the case of the MC21 perhaps that stipulation has to be seen to be more literal.

When Sigma release the L mount versions of the SD Quattros it will be interesting to see how much better the compatibility of the MC21s are on those.

 

Good point, I too thought about the "partners to satisfy" idea, but I am too naive and told myself that they only want to satisfy customers ?
But I guess it is quite logical in their alliance balance : do not ruin our plan by allowing everybody to use canon lenses and preventing them from buying ours !

If I was to buy it, it would only annoy me with the photography side. For video, with long lenses, I would manual focus only anyway, thus caring much for ibis and lowlight.