Video Hummus

KnightsFan is exactly right. it would be like ford patenting a car that is 4 feet or greater in length with a attached roof. Cars existed before the model T but didn’t have a roof. Is a roof not obvious enough to grant ford an patent to a car, which is a highly complex piece of equipment, because they slapped on an obvious, preexisting, roof on it and made it longer than 4 feet? A roof is obvious. The length of said object is obvious. The size of RAW images is obvious. RED didn’t invent bigger images. They didn’t make an invention related to the CMOS sensor. They simply bought exclusive rights to a sensor off the shelf. Slapped on JPEG2000 wavelet compression on RAW images (existed before) and submitted a patent for it. Compressed TIFFs existed before RED “invented” RAW compression. They used them to “demo” their REDCODE. The video shows they didn’t put in 12 months of research. They took pre-existing technologies, with pre-existing ideas and then claimed they were novel. The premise behind REDS patent is that their incredibly novel idea was to capture 2K+ RAW images on a camera and compress the RAW images ON THE CAMERA inline and store it (instead of having a computer do it) Fucking ground breaking! The patent is entirely without merit.

You have lots of options for affordable cameras that shoot good. No one cares about red fanboys here. We care about if RED's patent is valid or not. In this case, details matter.

OK, RED's PR is pretty freaking scummy. Claiming everything was in-house and directly innovated by them when it really wasn't and lying to the press about it is shitty business ethics. However, I still find admiration for the fact that RED basically LEGO built their camera and marketed better than any of the established players. The other companies just moved too slow. Can't wait for part 5 about REDCODE since a lot hinges on that patent. I gotta say this has been a great "investigative" documentary series on YouTube.

The bar for Canon is so low for them to have a hot mirrorless camera. 24p, FF or nearly FF 4K, DPAF in 1080p120, Clog, RF mount. 4Kp60 would be nice but not essential. 10bit in at least the 24p mode. They can be forgiven for only 8bit in higher FPS since Canon colors are great SOOC. Thats it. Add a tilt screen and they will win over most people. I would buy that camera and I don’t own any RF or EF glass. But they won’t do it because they want you to drop 5K plus on the body alone. And here comes Sony, slowing eating their lunch while it’s still in Canons hands with better and better hybrid AF and tracking technology. Pretty soon, Canons largest advantage and biggest feature, having DPAF, won’t mean shit.

Make some popcorn before you watch. Because they seem to be developing it from scratch.

Well, just barely. It's 7 stops in body and with a OIS lens its 7.5 stops. Still pretty amazing.

You should make living quarters in there. Start a YouTube channel called cargo truck life. Title of the first video should be: WHY Cargo TRUCK life DESTROYS Van Life”. You will need to photoshop bikini girl on top of your truck for the clicks maybe have the truck crushing a van with the front tire. You know it’s gold.

I wonder what the DR numbers are for high frame double exposure HDR video.

Agreed. EIS has its limits. I think it’s best used like in the newer Olympus cameras in conjunction with IBIS to mitigate or eliminate that jello effect in the corners using sensor data from the actually IBIS mechanism and not by analyzing the image.

I agree. This thing with a good implementation of double exposure HDR video would be hard to beat as a pocket adventure cam for 99.9% of people. I have yet to see low light electronic stabilization from a phone that doesn’t shit the bed.

Sigma can’t go wrong as long as they thoughtful consider user feedback. The NVMe suggestion should be taken seriously. It makes perfect sense for the form factor and the cDNG uncompressed format they are offering. It’s clear they want RAW in this camera and they can only do uncompressed at the moment. Which means high bitrates and large files sizes. NVMe sticks tick all those boxes plus form factor and price per GB. I can see why Panasonic went with dual SD card slots on the S1H. Why didn’t sigma just go with XQD or Express and offer 12bit uncompressed internal?

I don't have this lens but my Dad does on his Olympus. It's probably the best travel lens ever made imho.

This is a hard one Geoff. I would at least wait to see if Fuji has an announcement of the XH2 in September. I really think they are going to pivot that camera to be video centric in nature. Ive heard Fuji glass doesn’t have the best video AF performance (focus noise). Maybe someone can chime in on that and debunk it. I would say keep the Z6. Buy the new BM 7” Video Assist for it. You would get external recording (ProRes RAW someday...) and the 7” model has some serious preamps in the unit. So you could have it record and bake in the audio.

No, next generation hybrids will have dilemma about wether to allow RAW sensor output through an external port such as HDMI or SDI. The external recorders will transform it to BRAW or ProRes. Maybe someday we will see internal RAW on most cameras.

This Quora answer will probably help: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-HDMI-succeed-where-HD-SDI-didnt Basically, money and ease of development. Big surprise.... As far as data rates compared to the SDI-12G HDMI 1.4 is up to 10Gbps HDMI 2.0 is out to 18Gbps

Obstructionist asshole. Obstructing asshole. An Osshole. You're welcome.

Sure. But I won’t walk out of a Apple store and film what I saw in some of the promos. It’s a bit of a misrepresentation. I know it sells phones but I would think people would be more interested in how well it can film their kids or their dog in the heat of the moment.

Maybe the next EOSHD camera challenge should be: Make a video with your smartphone (have a list of approved phones; several generations of android and iPhone). For example, no models lower than an iPhone 7. Make it as cinematic as possible. Make another video with the camera you own with a cap of nothing more expensive than say $2500. Don’t tell people what the videos where filmed on then ask them to guess: phone or DSLR? Have a vote ranking for each. Not sure what the prizes should be. Pretty sure I saw a picturing showing they filmed some of these promos with a wonkier cinema lens setup hooked up to an iPhone and said it was filmed on an iPhone. ?

Setup details: you can indeed live on one kidney. I’m joking of course. I’m a one screen loser.

I won’t judge, but if that is what you are in need of and will trade for, I’ll trade for it ?

I think it’s a highly specialized proof of concept that they might use in the 2020 Olympics just to have a foot in the game. Most likely won’t see mass production in a non-prototype camera.

I don’t regret my purchase. There are a few quirks that bother me though. There is weird horizontal noise pattern on certain VFR combinations in VLOG and Cinelike D. Don’t expect to shoot at 6400 ISO 120fps without this weird noise pattern. Panasonic has released a fix for it but it’s still an issue. The dual gain circuit has some weird quirks at certain ISOs. If noise is an issue in the shot and you don’t require the optimal DR (night time street or scenes with a lot of shadows) I’ve found ISO 1600 and 6400 have the least noise (extra internal noise reduction I’m guessing). The native ISOs tend to have more noise in shadows but offer best DR when you have enough light. Just requires extra forethought and maybe shooting at a higher ISO, say 6400, when a lower ISO will suffice for exposure but doesn’t for noise performance. I’ve shot in candle light no problem with a f2.8 lens at 6400 and 8000 ISO. Video AF is ever so slightly better than GH5, especially at 60fps. HLG as a log capture format is quite awesome and, I have heard, gives better DR. In practice, the difference is so slight it’s a mute point. It does have better noise performance in the shadows though so I use it over vlogl. It has a 14-bit sensor and a ever so slightly weighter image than the GH5. It’s surprisingly a good stills camera as well with 14-bit RAW and impressive burst rates with 12fps in single shot and 8fps continuous AF. All with that dual gain ISO. I’ve printed an 8x10 photo and you can’t tell. Would be more than enough for web and Instagram as well. It’s great that it has a 1.8x crop when shooting 16:9 video. Attach a 0.64x speed booster and you basically have a full frame field of view at 1.1x Attach an external recorder and the images coming out of it with something like ProRes HQ are nothing to sneeze at. With a speed booster and a good full frame lens it runs with the big boys, no problem. In my opinion it’s an under rated camera that is often overlooked because Panasonic didn’t do enough to educate people about it. Too many people compared it to GH5 and said, NO IBIS no good. The size of the sensor is misquoted on every single photo store. If IBIS isn’t essential or if you see yourself mounting it on a gimbal anyway (because IBIS won’t be enough) or 5K anamorphic isn’t high on your list then it’s clearly the better camera than the GH5 if you shoot a lot of video. Would love for Panasonic to shoot it some love. I just have a feeling it can do a bit more.

It sounds like they need a “profile” of the sensor to “tune” BRAW for the camera and to have RAW sensor data. Hence, also why we are probably seeing a Nikon hardware upgrade to enable it. Or so I gathered from BMs product announcement video when he was talking about support for EVA1 and Canon C300mkii. I really, really wish and hope we see something like this come to GH5(S). Would be such a nice package. But I’m guessing we won’t see it until GH6 because it has so be designed for it from the get go. I would happily pay a few hundred dollars to Panasonic to send my camera in for cleaning and to have it upgrades to have this capability. Would breathe a bit more life into the models. Having the hassle of a external recorder for ProRes 422 HQ is really not worth it. Getting BRAW...totally worth it. The new 5” Video Assist HDR is the perfect match. Plus you get a great audio recorder too! Not to mention being able to record to the excellent and cheap T5 SSD.

I think focus pullers are crapping their pants. A few more generations and we will have advanced tracking of multiple subjects with focus pulls and continuous AF all with a touch of a button.

Isn’t DaVinci Resolves superscale feature already amazingly awesome?