Video Hummus

RED can still sell cameras with REDCODE. ARRI can still sell cameras with ProRes, ProRes RAW or cDNG. Any manufacturer can release a camera with compressed RAW. Sigma can release the fp with cDNG and ProRes RAW internal. Blackmagic could expand BRAW. Apple is seeking to invalidate the patent. They aren't taking control of it. Then the market will settle the rest.

Yes, I think this has to do with compressed RAW on camera phones as well as ProRes RAW in the industry as a whole.If Apple wins, they win big. with compressed RAW into their cameras with no royalty fees and promote ProRes RAW in the cinema industry, which btw they have a really fast and accelerated $50,000 mac they would like to sell you! ? IF they lose, they probably pay a settlement fee and perhaps bully RED into negotiating a licensing fee to make the lawyers go away. They've done a cost analysis on this. It's interesting times!

Nikon has internal RAW. They just aren't allowed to do anything with it.

Maybe there is a camera store nearby. Best to get your hands on it and see for yourself.

I can see valid arguments on both sides of this story. It’s not like RED doesn’t have street cred in the industry.

Well, wait another 8 months and Nikon will have lowered the price to that. ? The S1 is nearing that magical $2000 mark.

Stanly is quoting the Gizmodo article ? That phrase links to your blog. See screenshot above I posted.

Looking like they Ninja edited it. I have it cached. The link clicks through to your article.

Wow, they didn’t contact you about it? Even to see if they could get more details about that aspect? Pretty lazy.

There was no decision by the court. They by all accounts reached a settlement outside the court. Gizmodo picked up the story with even the details about what happened in 2010 with regards to Andrew. It’s a good summary of what’s going on with a bit of speculation as to why this is happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/why-is-apple-flexing-on-high-end-camera-company-red-ove-1837302653/amp Apple doesn’t like to pay royalties on its smartphone products because they like their fat juicy margins too. They sued Qualcomm over it. Which makes me think this lawsuit is about some kind of royalties Apple doesn’t want to pay for selling its products. Wether that is the new Mac Pro cheese grater, ProRes Raw, or RAW recording on an iPhone or all of the above.

I don’t have both cameras, but unless you desperately need IBIS, I don’t see the point. The XT3 is also a small camera and would probably work a treat on smaller gimbals like a Ronin-S.C. or Weebil lab. It is a better photo camera with nice Fuji colors and film emulations. Does great video and has more reliable autofocus.

Seems people are more split on image quality.

Didn’t something like this happen with Prime Day. A few people got a EM1X for $99.

That brings S1 body down to only $2200. With a 24-100 F4 it’s 3000. Not bad.

But did Kinor already have a working camera that was compressing Bayer data with a wavelet compression before RED in 2002-2003? It was shown at NAB allegedly.

Maybe Nikon and Atomos felt that RAW over HDMI isn’t RAW over SATA interface as described in ‘314 patent? Kinda weird Nikon started selling video creator kits with a Ninja V right after they announced it and it’s been so long and not a word from either company. Apple has lots of money. Why wouldn’t they just strike a licensing deal and move on? I think there is more to it than that. And since Sony and Red settled out of court we don’t know what the agreement was. Maybe Sony lost and RED was facing their own infringement of Sony’s patents so they settled out of court and went their separate ways with NDAs in hand.

I don’t think anybody disputes REDs contribution to digital cinema. What is being discussed is their subsequent behavior revolving around a questionable patent (Apple thinks so anyway) that they use to suppress innovation and competition unfairly (if the patent isn’t valid of course). Also if the patent is for compressed raw recording internally in camera how is Atomos infringing when they don’t sell cameras? Is RED claiming their patent covers any device that stores compressed RAW data from a sensor? Maybe sigma thinks cinemaDNG to an external storage device is not infringement. I don’t think so. They have a great sensor, color science, and brand loyalty and following. Just like every other camera manufacturer without compressed RAW capability. ARRI being highly successful. People choose their cameras on many different aspects.

I’m sure Vitaliy is willing to help out with any legal fees that are inquired in this “crusade”.

Only if you want to edit in 1080p only. Pretty sure you need the studio version for 4K. Studio version is totally worth it. It’s underpriced really.

I bet you made that ToF device because your complete rubbish a manual focus. Loser!

Lost revenue for RED. Upset brand loyalist. Possibly RAW capture in prosumer devices, maybe even (i)phones. Maybe a new CEO for RED.com INC. All speculation of course.

Yes, essentially. They are arguing the two prior patents (Presser and Molgaard; among others) represents prior art and show the lack of novelty in RED’s patent. Whether the PTO finds it obvious enough we shall see.

I would encourage everybody to read the Patent Repeal filed by Apple. It’s incredibly detailed (like a lot of this patent language is) but even as a non expert they layout very clearly that there was prior art to REDs patent and even some of the language is clearly and unambiguous similar.

? @Andrew Reid It was posted by Ed_David already. It listed in the documents as well. Also this: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/claus-m-lgaard He seems to specialize in digital image processing, basically.

I can clearly see an opening for which light can pass through...so maybe.