Video Hummus

You’ll probably have them by the end of 2020. Plus a compact L-mount cinema camera from Sigma and, hopefully, something special from Panny in the S1H.

It’s called the C200. If it’s too expensive or too big then Canon doesn’t offer what you need. EOS R has 1.7x crop in 4K. If that doesn’t work for you then Canon doesn’t offer what you need. Its pretty simple. We can debate about 24p all day until the last breath out of our mouths are “No 24p” (this would make a hilarious comedy short film about canon btw ?) I really don’t care why 24p is not there or why there is a 1.7x crop on the EOS R in 4K. They are there so I move on.

So you’ll be able to type with your eyelids since all your fingers and toes will be broken?

Well, I’m going to withhold judgement until we see some final specs. You could probably fit an oversized m4/3 sensor in the MFT mount that would be closer to S35. You just would have to design new lenses that are no longer telecentric. Existing M4/3 lenses would have vignetting and would have to crop in. But at this point MFT is such a maligned (undeservedly so) format it doesn’t matter.

I hope Panasonic uses the P6K as a target to hit and surpass instead of pretend it doesn’t exist. It has a chance to be the P6K with a decent mirrorless mount.

Or just do it themselves like they did with the URSA mini G2. But then again, they want you to buy the G2.

Just don’t buy their crap cameras if video specs are important to you. Moving on.

I mean if we want to get technical probably the vast majority of video is not shot on 24p. I doubt my grandma cares or even knows what frames per second are. My wife doesn’t care. She just wants moving pictures. Every cellphone video I ever shot has been at 30/60/120p. That being said I shoot all my mirrorless at 24 and edit for a 24p timeline because it just looks better period.

RED can still sell cameras with REDCODE. ARRI can still sell cameras with ProRes, ProRes RAW or cDNG. Any manufacturer can release a camera with compressed RAW. Sigma can release the fp with cDNG and ProRes RAW internal. Blackmagic could expand BRAW. Apple is seeking to invalidate the patent. They aren't taking control of it. Then the market will settle the rest.

Yes, I think this has to do with compressed RAW on camera phones as well as ProRes RAW in the industry as a whole.If Apple wins, they win big. with compressed RAW into their cameras with no royalty fees and promote ProRes RAW in the cinema industry, which btw they have a really fast and accelerated $50,000 mac they would like to sell you! ? IF they lose, they probably pay a settlement fee and perhaps bully RED into negotiating a licensing fee to make the lawyers go away. They've done a cost analysis on this. It's interesting times!

Nikon has internal RAW. They just aren't allowed to do anything with it.

Maybe there is a camera store nearby. Best to get your hands on it and see for yourself.

I can see valid arguments on both sides of this story. It’s not like RED doesn’t have street cred in the industry.

Well, wait another 8 months and Nikon will have lowered the price to that. ? The S1 is nearing that magical $2000 mark.

Stanly is quoting the Gizmodo article ? That phrase links to your blog. See screenshot above I posted.

Looking like they Ninja edited it. I have it cached. The link clicks through to your article.

Wow, they didn’t contact you about it? Even to see if they could get more details about that aspect? Pretty lazy.

There was no decision by the court. They by all accounts reached a settlement outside the court. Gizmodo picked up the story with even the details about what happened in 2010 with regards to Andrew. It’s a good summary of what’s going on with a bit of speculation as to why this is happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/why-is-apple-flexing-on-high-end-camera-company-red-ove-1837302653/amp Apple doesn’t like to pay royalties on its smartphone products because they like their fat juicy margins too. They sued Qualcomm over it. Which makes me think this lawsuit is about some kind of royalties Apple doesn’t want to pay for selling its products. Wether that is the new Mac Pro cheese grater, ProRes Raw, or RAW recording on an iPhone or all of the above.

I don’t have both cameras, but unless you desperately need IBIS, I don’t see the point. The XT3 is also a small camera and would probably work a treat on smaller gimbals like a Ronin-S.C. or Weebil lab. It is a better photo camera with nice Fuji colors and film emulations. Does great video and has more reliable autofocus.

Seems people are more split on image quality.

Didn’t something like this happen with Prime Day. A few people got a EM1X for $99.

That brings S1 body down to only $2200. With a 24-100 F4 it’s 3000. Not bad.

But did Kinor already have a working camera that was compressing Bayer data with a wavelet compression before RED in 2002-2003? It was shown at NAB allegedly.

Maybe Nikon and Atomos felt that RAW over HDMI isn’t RAW over SATA interface as described in ‘314 patent? Kinda weird Nikon started selling video creator kits with a Ninja V right after they announced it and it’s been so long and not a word from either company. Apple has lots of money. Why wouldn’t they just strike a licensing deal and move on? I think there is more to it than that. And since Sony and Red settled out of court we don’t know what the agreement was. Maybe Sony lost and RED was facing their own infringement of Sony’s patents so they settled out of court and went their separate ways with NDAs in hand.

I don’t think anybody disputes REDs contribution to digital cinema. What is being discussed is their subsequent behavior revolving around a questionable patent (Apple thinks so anyway) that they use to suppress innovation and competition unfairly (if the patent isn’t valid of course). Also if the patent is for compressed raw recording internally in camera how is Atomos infringing when they don’t sell cameras? Is RED claiming their patent covers any device that stores compressed RAW data from a sensor? Maybe sigma thinks cinemaDNG to an external storage device is not infringement. I don’t think so. They have a great sensor, color science, and brand loyalty and following. Just like every other camera manufacturer without compressed RAW capability. ARRI being highly successful. People choose their cameras on many different aspects.