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15 hours ago, hansel said:

Keep infected glass away from the others!!!

13 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

And important - never store a lens with fungus in the same container of the clean one, they can spread.

9 hours ago, mercer said:

And never put a lens infested with fungus on your camera... it can spread to your sensor. 

I don't think this is how it works.  Yes, they can probably spread, but I get the impression that viewing infected lenses as contagious and the rest of the world as sterile is missing the point.

All the articles (including that one from Zeiss) say that fungus is everywhere, in the air.  Ask yourself how the spores got to where they are in these lenses - between two glass elements with only a tiny gap between them.  I'm pretty sure that fungus spores can't move, so this is where the spore landed.

This is a fun article: https://www.uni-mainz.de/presse/13180_ENG_HTML.php

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On average, there are between 1,000 and 10,000 fungal spores in every cubic meter of air.

So, either you never take your camera out of the box (actually, they don't box them in a clean room - too late!) or you just store things so that they don't grow.

8 hours ago, CyclingBen said:

As far as letting the solution sit, on the bottle (I looked online) it said for fungus to let it sit for 10 minutes (same as for killing MERSA). If I were to use it I would probably follow those instructions, the next time I go to the store I will ask him.

Looks like the main ingredient is Hypochlorous Acid. Maybe there is another product in your area that has it in there. Otherwise I’d be happy to ship you some, though it’s -33 Celsius here today without the wind chill...

I'm kind of tempted to use the other ingredients as they have them in the grocery store, and whatever I post here will be useful to more people when I work out the concentrations etc.  It would be nice for this thread to be the one I was looking for, instead of the blind-leading-the-blind threads or only-half-the-information-required tutorials.

4 hours ago, Wild Ranger said:

the director really wanted the full frame look

Sony propaganda is alive and well I see...

Not seeing anything interesting over my GH5, but I guess we'll see..  The GH5 got lots of goodies via firmware updates after launch, so maybe these will too.  Speaking of the potential for updates, 8K is conspicuously absent.

57 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

It is a whole lot more accessible now than it was when I was first working there 20 years ago.

Partly because of technology and partly because of the inevitable seep from globalisation.

The first few times I worked there we had translators/fixers in tow all the time to make sure we didn't get lost or breach some bowing or business card handling protocol, all of which just added to the heightened sense of otherness about the place.

Once we'd shaken them off, it became a whole lot less jarring and unsettling and we started to embrace the weirdness instead of fearing it!

Despite the changes over the years its still got enough of that weirdness and difference to let you know that you are definitely in a foreign country.

It just a lot easier now to find your way back to the hotel when you get lost!

That reassurance actually adds to it because it encourages you to wander about and go where the wind blows you.

Plus, the high tech toilets are a thing of endless intrigue and adventure.

I was there for the first time in December, family in tow.  It was a great trip, just the right amount of difference as you say, high-tech toilets included!

I've read and heard so much about Japan that I felt like we didn't scratch the surface much.  We stayed in an airbnb away from the tourist areas and caught trains everywhere, but I think we just didn't get off the beaten path as much as I would have liked.  I would have liked to go to some of the more local food places, ramen especially, but the kids are picky and getting four adjacent seats in those tiny places where it's just the chef and the vending machine outside seemed pretty unlikely.  We were only there for a few days, so if there was a bit more time I might have ventured out by myself and blundered through a some local experiences.

I've put it on my (very short) list of countries to re-visit.  Most countries get put a long way down the list when you have a choice of being somewhere you've been before or visiting somewhere new, but Japan is an exception for me.  The other is Hong Kong, which I really liked - stress free with plentiful English speakers, but busy and interesting with lots of foreign things to look at and experience.  It's gradually getting absorbed into China, so the homogenisation of globalisation will be slightly counteracted as it becomes more Chinese again.  

3 hours ago, User said:

Absolutely. I haven't had a tv for 30 years... traded it for an internet addiction

I guess it depends on just how much one is willing and ready to engage in their new surroundings. But you are right about not fitting in if'n you ever return... which doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing... as long as one has a few good folks around to have a strange laugh with.

I believe it's well and understood that so much of the experience we will have shifting to a 'new' land will have to do with how we hold ourselves and participate in where we've moved from. And as much as I like the idea of setting up in a cheap beautiful country and developing a really wonderful drug addiction, I sort of know that this really isn't a way forward... so engaging in the local culture and building relationships is absolutely paramount. Moreover, having something reasonably challenging to do will be equally important as well.

I understand that we all have different interests, but I'd be curious who here has their eye on a 'place' that they feel could be 'right' for them, where that is, and why? Anyone? @Márcio Kabke Pinheiro mentioned Algarve. Part of me has joking about moving to Pakistan just to get away from all the uncomfortable 20 something social justice warriors who have made life in the West (particularly North America) so unnecessarily frustrating. I recently started watching Seinfeld as an antidote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YHz493rnLw&feature=youtu.be

 

I used to pride myself on not watching TV, but I think I have to shift my perspective on watching YT to it being the same as TV.  That will be a bit of a shock internally when I do!

You're right about where you live being less important than how you live.  Wherever we live, if tourists visited they'd be fascinated and taking photos of all sorts of interesting things that we drive past while thinking about going on holiday to wherever they live.

My list of places I think I would like to live in part-time is Australia (base of operations and family), Hong Kong, and somewhere in Europe.  The wife is pretty fond of Italy, but we recently spent a month there and the people weren't as friendly as she was anticipating.  I've got friends who live in Spain and they say it's nicer than Italy and a lot cheaper too, but they'd have to convince the wife, and the heart wants what it wants and all that

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Price is not too bad either. 349 bucks.

https://www.adorama.com/wrllite.html

Jeez.

This would have to be one of the best production-value-per-dollar things you can buy.  In the list under "buy first camera", "buy first microphone", "buy first tripod", and "learn how to use lighting"

6 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I figure if I'm going to have to pay through the nose for accommodation to live in a country where I have very limited insight into what the actual fuck is going on around me then I'd sooner do it in a place with decent public transport and cheap cameras

Japan is one of the places that an old-school WTF travel experience is still available in the modern age.  Many big cities are understandable now because of things like google translate (especially the augmented reality camera mode) and the common basis of Latin derivative culture, there are differences of course, but not "I've been watching this for an hour and still have no idea" type situations.

In Japan you point Google Translate at the writing and it doesn't recognise the font, you look at the people and everyone keeps to themselves, shopkeepers look at you blankly if you speak to them in English, and you watch what people are doing and often it makes no sense.  Of course, that's off the beaten track away from the tourist areas, but still, quite fun!

5 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I am not too sure what has happened to the "Civilized West"? It seems this country is tearing it's self apart, and it started Way before Trump came on the scene. The politics is just poisonous anymore here. They is no compromise now, just a defeatist mindset. People have become just plain nasty to each other. Everyone seems on edge. A Huge change from when I was young here. And it is easy to get swept up into it. Yeah would be nice to live in a polite society, free of  serious crime. Yep, might be the place to go..

http://blog.adw.org/2016/10/eight-stages-rise-fall-civilizations/

1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said:

One ADC per pixel, with variable amplification. They're working on it. 

Wow.

That would change things a little!

1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said:

Technically speaking, only indigenous Australians don't need to compensate for that thing. 

Yeah ???

40 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think the Wiral LITE wire rig is something that is bringing interesting possibilities to a consumer level.

It is particularly well suited to having something like an Osmo attached to it so you can articulate the camera remotely while it is running and also offers another dimension to 360 cameras.

With an Osmo Pocket you have a fully remote controlled articulated 4K stabilised wire cam for €600.

 

A lot of the videos of it (like that one) focus on sports usage of it but there are a number of other examples that show its possibilities outside of that context.

 

That is truly impressive, and gives really natural looking movement too.  I'm assuming that you have some kind of remote control with variable speed?

If something like the Osmo could use a phone to detect angle (like those point-where-I-point remotes for the Ronin etc) and you had a left-right control for the tracker you'd have a really intuitive control system.

String one of these between two trees at a venue and you're set.  It's not as easy to position as a 360 camera on a extendable pole, but the movement is next level.

Very nice!!

Not a bad discount, although I can't help notice that less people are buying this than those audio plugins.  I wonder why? ???

2 hours ago, User said:

But it does get exhausting always having to hunt accommodation out in the wider world.
The challenge is that after so many years in so many places, no place is home... even my home.

Yeah, I've moved house a lot, and in some ways I feel like if I had just had a single house growing up and one or two as an adult I'd have had more time and energy to invest in other things.  Moving house is kind of a major project that you wouldn't want to do more than once a year.  I'd be a lot of major projects ahead of where I am now, that's for sure.  Then again, if you just stop watching TV and do projects instead you can accomplish quite a lot over time.

I read a book about being an expat and it was interesting.  One of the things that it mentioned was that every place you go is an opportunity for you to see how other people live and to potentially adopt a few of their habits into your life.  Unfortunately as you get older you fit into any single culture less and less, and when you come 'home' you find that you no longer fit in there either.  There's definitely challenges that go along with the glossy postcard moments!

2 hours ago, Orangenz said:

Not only that, but the size and quality is completely different too. US houses are like mansions compared to here. It can easily be over $10,000 just to get the local city council to look at the plans to build a house here, without the land being touched or any guarantee you can build anything. 

Actually, we're not so different in terms of size: https://www.commsec.com.au/content/dam/EN/ResearchNews/2018Reports/November/ECO_Insights_191118_CommSec-Home-Size.pdf

Average size of new homes in US 202.0sqm and Australia 186.3sqm.  Existing houses would be interesting to see the stats on, but I think that the US has more extremes.  Yes, there are huge McMansions that Australia doesn't have that many of (we do have some) but we also have far less apartments than the US.  It's easy to get caught up in the "everything in the US is bigger" hype (those Texans sure talk a big game) but we're getting closer in car sizes too.  The most common cars here are large family vehicles, which are a lot more popular here than smaller cars like Corollas or whatever.  The US is still beating us though, but only because they're desperately trying to overcompensate for something...  https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/australia-taking-on-american-love-of-big-cars-38036

Besides, Texas is pretty small actually..  it's not even the largest state in the US

2 hours ago, tellure said:

This is a pretty interesting concept.. a 360 cam on a stand / pole that you can throw up in a few locations to get lots of coverage does sound pretty good for events.  What if you could mount it on a roomba-style robot base to get some motion in those shots? :).  That Insta360 Titan already has WIFI video preview, seems like it would be pretty great for events to be able to control several of these remotely. 

With respect to cropping into the 360 cam footage, is there any issue cropping into the side of the frame, wish all that distortion from the fisheye lens? 

Motion would be great, maybe a base that leans the camera left, then upright and right, then upright and back left again...  It would move vertically a bit, but they don't need to be kept level, so that might work.  Probably your bigger issue would be keeping it from moving if it was on a long pole.  You'd also want to keep it away from objects in the foreground too, as they would show off any camera movement there was, unless everything was moving of course.

In terms of the edges, they used to not be that great but they're pretty darn good now.  Have a look at this to get an idea of it.  

There are a few times you notice the edges, but it's basically seamless.  You don't want to crop in that much TBH, because it has to fit the entire 360degree image into the 4K / 8K / 11K resolution, and also into the bitrate.  An 18mm lens on FF has a horizontal angle of 90 degrees, so a quarter of the width and something like a quarter the height depending on aspect ratios.  This would mean that your frame has only 6% of the bitrate of the full capture.  That's why they're only currently usable for really wide shots, and even then the compression is still really obvious, even when put through YT compression.

If you were concerned about the edges of the lenses then you could just turn it around so that one side of the camera is lined up with the main shot you want, so the stitching and pixelation etc is towards the edges of the frame.  Obviously if you're carrying it around freehand then you'll end up using the bits on the edges of the lenses, but if you just plant it for a static shot then it wouldn't be too hard to pay attention to which way it was facing.

Both lenses work almost flawlessly.

Here is a sample shot from each:

There are some spots when you stop down to f8 or over, but a lot of it is common to both lenses, so the quick sensor clean I did with the air blower wasn't 100% effective it seems.

I'll still clean the lenses, but it's amazing how well they work, considering

This is an interesting article on making your own cheap desiccant pouches for keeping a sealed container low in humidity. 
https://www.instructables.com/id/Inexpensive-Dessicant/

The highlights are, buy kitty litter and put it into those little mesh gift bags that people put lollies or whatever in at weddings.

I've ordered a hygrometer to measure the humidity in my house and see if I have an issue to start with.  it's not that humid here, so I'm not that worried.

This is also useful: https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/service/content/fungus-on-lenses.html

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Where does fungus come from?

Fungus spores are everywhere and germinate under suitable environmental conditions:

• Growing conditions
• Relative humidity of at least 70% (more than 3 days)
• No or little airflow
• Darkness
• Nutrients (textile lint, traces of grease, varnish, dust and dirt)
• Temperatures between 10 and 35°C

How can fungus be avoided?

• Reduce the relative humidity to less than 60% (never under 30% as it is dangerous for the instrument) by storing:
• in climate-control cabinets in which hygrometers maintain environmental conditions
• next to driers (e.g. silicagel orange packs) in the containers
• in a special cabinet whose interior is heated to 40°C (max. 50°C) using a fan heater/ incandescent lamps, thereby reducing the relative humidity
• in hermetically sealed cabinets with fungicides with high vapor pressure (fungicide depot must be replaced at regular intervals)
• in an dehydrator above driers

So, if fungus is everywhere, then nothing stopping me putting these lenses on my camera and seeing how bad the images are

8 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Wow that one is the poster child for fungus on the rear element! Yikes.

You'd be surprised.

I already own these lenses and so am taking photos to highlight the fungus.  Many ebay auctions don't shine a light into the lens so you can only just tell that there's fungus there - notice how the auctions all say something like "the photographs are part of the description of the lens, please make sure you check them before purchase".  Lots of the auctions don't even have photos through the glass at all.

This one is interesting....  it's from a current live auction, and it's going for about three times the price of previous fungus-free items.

18 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

I am very surprised by your statement of AU$800k for a average house. That sounds crazy. Where I live here I would say the average is 150 to 175 thousand dollars. Even my daughter that lives in California I say is 500K or a bit more on average, and she lives 14 blocks from the Pacific Ocean. You Really Need to move LoL.

Tell me about it!

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-has-5-of-the-worlds-20-least-affordable-cities-in-which-to-buy-a-home-2016-9

What's amusing about that list is that Australia only has 5 cities with more than a million people in them, so every one of them is in the top 20

Then again, how much would someone have to pay me to move away from all my friends, all my extended family, all my clients and professional contacts, all my kids friends, etc etc...  My plan is to add locations to live in, not remove this one.

I also left out something from my above summary.  If you're interested in investing then you can buy and rent out properties (or invest in industrial real-estate which is a better investment in some locations) and then use rental income to offset the cost of temporary accommodation wherever you're actually staying.  That gets around foreign ownership laws, etc.

13 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

I heard once a lens has fungus it can never be 100% removed as it will just grow back..

I think that's because the spores get into all the grooves and mechanisms.  Of course, non-infected lenses can become infected at any time just by sucking in a spore during normal use.  Ultimately it's about keeping them in such a way that prevents the fungus already inside them from growing.

Dry and exposed to light is the way to go.

My second infected lens arrived.

Looks like a different type, and has a lot more coverage, but perhaps with smaller colonies than the last one.  It's important to have variety in life I think.

The front elements:

The back elements:

This lens is also as new.  From same seller, so I suspect from the same source.

This one came with a lens hood!

58 minutes ago, tweak said:

No lens will look as good as with MLRaw  . My Canon FDs look good on GH5, but they look amazing with MLRaw.

Maybe these older lenses just look nicer when you have a fuller colour spectrum, having 8-bit you loose a lot of that at which point you probably only focus on their short comings as vintage lenses (or at least rank them more in the sharpness/distortion category).

I think film is a lot like audio, where everything in the signal path just makes things worse, and the high quality stuff still makes things worse, but only by a little bit.

I think all the nice lenses must be at least 16-bit ???

Not to Puerto Rico!

I'm playing a long game to disconnect where I live from how I make my money, so having a more international lifestyle, kind of like the Digital Nomad dream.

I remember when I was young and you'd see the snooty rich people saying "we spend our summers in the south of France" in their snooty accents while looking down their noses at everyone else who can't afford to do that.  
Later on in life the thought crossed my mind that if you can work remotely (or work online, etc) then you can do that "summers in the south of France" kind of lifestyle too.  Instead of buying an average house (the median house price here in Australia is something like AU$800k!) you can live really simply and can buy two or three small apartments in small out-of-the-way towns in various places around the world, and just travel between them.
That was about 15 years ago, and now we have airbnb, housesitting, and other sharing platforms, and this means you don't have to own anything really.  As soon as you look at real-estate more than a 3-hour drive from any capital cities CBD then prices drop significantly, and so the rent-for-a-few-months price goes down below the cost of renting a not-great place in the suburbs.  If you're interested in building capital with property ownership then buying multiples at $100k a pop is still an option, assuming you can navigate the foreign ownership laws of whatever country you're looking at.

Possibly the biggest challenge is that you move away from your friends, family, kids, etc.  It's a big deal for people who retire to somewhere warmer that they leave behind their social and support networks.  

My long game is to live between the same few locations and build up networks in each of them.  Of course, I have to work out how to pay for everything first

Good thread.

17 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well from what I read you have to kill the fungus first or you are wasting your time sort of just cleaning it. Lots of crazy ideas on You Tube. And yeah most Real PL mount lenses  that started out they way, not converted, are really quality made stuff. More Pro like than the run of the mill stuff.

It's a good idea to kill the fungus, but they release spores so you can't completely kill every spore that will be distributed all through the whole lens mechanism, you'll only be cleaning the glass elements, not the sides or all through the aperture blades, etc.  That's why I said you have to treat all your lenses like they're infected, because they probably all are.

11 hours ago, CyclingBen said:

I had success using florescent lights going straight into the lens and putting some aluminum foil on the other side of the lens to reflect the UV back up through the rear element to remove some light fungus from the inside of a Super Tak,  

I also opened up and cleaned a Rokkor lens that had significant fungus with rubbing alcohol, a week long light treatment and then opening it back up to clean up the dried fungus.

The owner of the camera shop in my town recommended using this cleaner https://www.amazon.com/CleanSmart-Toy-Disinfectant-Spray-Bacteria/dp/B011ANDC78 which is normally used to clean kids toys.  I haven't tried it yet, but he's restored hundreds of lenses.

That stuff is only sold in the US, and although I can get it shipped the product page says to ensure it's never frozen, so I'm not that confident about shipping it.

Does air cargo ever freeze?  It's pretty cold up there..

On 11/19/2018 at 2:18 PM, Anaconda_ said:

On a side note - what's the easiest way to update Resovle? Download, uninstall and reinstall? I can't find any update buttons.

Something worth considering is that the Studio versions from the App Store and with the hardware dongle are slightly different - the App Store one has a few less features.  My understanding is that they're criteria from Apple, but basically it's (slightly) crippled.

10 hours ago, CyclingBen said:

I had success using florescent lights going straight into the lens and putting some aluminum foil on the other side of the lens to reflect the UV back up through the rear element to remove some light fungus from the inside of a Super Tak,  

I also opened up and cleaned a Rokkor lens that had significant fungus with rubbing alcohol, a week long light treatment and then opening it back up to clean up the dried fungus.

The owner of the camera shop in my town recommended using this cleaner https://www.amazon.com/CleanSmart-Toy-Disinfectant-Spray-Bacteria/dp/B011ANDC78 which is normally used to clean kids toys.  I haven't tried it yet, but he's restored hundreds of lenses.

Interesting.  

That stuff looks promising - 'kills fungus' 'leaves no chemical residue' seems to be hitting the right points.  I liked the idea from the tutorial I liked earlier of running things under water then blowing the droplets off with a blower.  I'd be inclined to do a rinse cycle in distilled water so that on the chance that any droplets are left they would evaporate without leaving anything behind.

Do you know how your camera shop friend cleans the lenses?  Does he spray that stuff onto the lenses and wait, or does he just get in there and rub?  When using the chemicals method they say you have to wait until the fungus gets rinsed off under running water, and not to scrub it because you might scratch the lens.  That makes sense I guess as the fungus might have sharp bits in there, so with the toy disinfectant I wonder if it dissolves the fungus if left to soak?

7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well if a person has the tools there are some amazing values around for old lenses infected by fungus. Like you I have no clue how many are really salvageable?

No idea.  I've read that you want the fungus to be smaller (as they're less old and won't have eaten into the glass as much) and around the edges in preference to in the middle, and towards the front in preference to the back.  

So basically everything opposite to the one I have!  I would imagine there are some people quietly beavering away buying the lenses they know are saleable, serviceable, and putting them back on sale.  I'd imagine this would be the same for adapting lenses and other niche things.  

If you look through the listings for a popular lens on ebay you'll notice that every so often one of them will have 10 people watching it, when the lenses either side of basically identical price will have no attention at all.  I look through listings like this trying to work out why some get attention, and is there something that other people know that I don't, like is it a different version or whatever.  One thing that always gets attention is a PL mount, sometimes it's converted mount but other times it's just a lens with an adapter, but the people searching for "lens PL mount" won't know there are heaps of them and will only choose from those search results.

9 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I think most lens coating are on the outside of the front lens element. Not many have coatings inside the body. But yeah it is possible severe fungus could etch right into the glass permanently.

That's the impression I get too.  I figure that if it has etched into the glass then the light that hits that point will get scattered randomly and I'll just get a bit less contrast, and maybe a dark spot?  It looks like it's further back in the lens, which I understand is more in-focus than spots on the front of the lens.

35 minutes ago, mercer said:

Although fungus can be contained and cleaned from lens elements, the main issue to consider is what damage has the fungus already done to the lens coatings?

I’ve recently purchased a couple lenses that could use a CLA but I’d rather have them professionally done. But if you find some lenses at a cheap price, no harm at giving it a go. Just be very meticulous when you take the lenses apart, these lenses aren’t as simple as they look and the springs alone can cause you a major headache when trying to reassemble.

With that being said, I look forward to your hearing about your progress. Have you come across and good storage solutions for lenses... dry boxes?

Yeah, the lenses might already be toast, but who knows.  It's fun trying, right?

Dry boxes is the general concept I think.  Anything that protects them from dust and you can keep humidity out of is fine.  I'm thinking some kind of translucent container like a lunch box or small organiser should be fine, but I haven't done the research yet so maybe there's a piece missing from my knowledge as yet.

3 hours ago, thephoenix said:

are you sure about the pin for the 44-4, i have a 44-4 myself and there is the pin and no auto / manual thing.

but most of the adapters do press the pin so no problem.

i decliked it last week. quite easy even if it took me a while to understand how the aperture system worked.

Damn.  You're right, I think I confused myself.

My 44-2 doesn't have a pin and the aperture is fully manual.  My other Helios, which I bought as a 44-4, but is only labelled 44M, has the pin and a Manual/Auto switch.  According to camerapedia the M just means m42 mount.  But there are heaps of people who have lenses that don't have switches and can't set the aperture manually.

I also checked the Fotga adapter, and it definitely doesn't press the pin.  

Looks like the advice is to get a 44-2 or make sure you get the manual/auto switch.  Sorry @Stab, hope you didn't hit ebay in the last couple of hours? ???