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11 minutes ago, mercer said:

Yeah, with every passing day of looking at footage I shot, I am constantly disappointed. And the only footage I've shot where I am surprised by how good it looks, is from my 50D with ML Raw, or old BMMCC or BMPCC footage. I am a horrible colorist so I think B&W Raw may be in my future. 

Oh B&W film or even Raw digital well done is a thing of beauty to behold. Heck even B&W Photo prints by say Ansel Adams takes your breath away.

A lot of the old B&W movies done in the 40's 50's are breath taking. It is hard as hell to shoot and get that look, but when you figure it out Wow, you got something for sure.

I have read a few things lately that 27mm, 28mm is the magic focal length on the old film movies, and the old timers are even doing that length in Digital. I guess that FoV has a special look?

I would imagine the original B&W version of Gunsmoke was Film like you said, it is beautiful, I was watching some episodes when I was in Florida last month. The color version probably video. Not sure. I am too old to remember LoL.

As to the film look on m4/3 BM can make it happen because of Raw on the BMPCC, BMCC, it is beautiful also, not pure film look beautiful, but close. Without Raw I don't think a Oly, Pana camera can look like film. YMMV. But look how good a ML Raw on a Canon 5DIII looks. Raw makes it happen.

44 minutes ago, Grimor said:

Not easy to track a mask in every take, because they are mostly on glidecam.

What kind of gradding do you think fit best for an institutional cops/military video?

A sinister grade LoL. I would turn down all sharpening and lower contrast by a fair amount, not a lot though, in camera, to smooth out the videoish look m4/3 cameras have baked in. Nobody is going to equate a MFT camera with a film look no matter what you do.

In reality they have too many MP to get that look. 4k is only like 8.3mp, heck 1080 is only like 2.2mp, 720 is only like 1mp.  And most people only have a LCD TV that shows 720 max. Heck old stuff like Gunsmoke, Mary Tyler Moore show, Price is Right all are in shot in 480! So most modern consumer cameras have Way too much resolution for video use. Sony A7s is an exception.

When I shot TV news with  $100,000.00 Sony ENG cameras they only had a max in camera resolution of 500 lines. Hence 480 output. Pretty crazy. But that was back in the time of Tube TV's and 3 tube, 2/3 Video Cameras.

Now the new GH5  uses the full sensor so no longer a further crop like the GH4 in 4k, due to faster readout and chip design. But since it is a m4/3 camera it still will have a 2.0 crop factor being that it uses a m4/3 sensor. So the answer to your last question is sensor, not lens, the format itself, being that it uses that small of a sensor.

So there is no free lunch for lesser cameras LoL.

2 hours ago, benymypony said:

It depends of which RAW we are talking about. On RED cameras the RAW catches each frame on all ISO available, on the base of 800, so what you see on screen is just for reference. I don't see the interest to ETTR on RAW. But I can be wrong...

In LOG or standard usually I use the zebra. Set to 95%, I expose just one step before the zebra. Don't know if it's a good technique but it works well, on daylight and on night scenes with secondary LED panels.

Yeah 1 stop is about all you can play with on a m4/3 sensor. 2 stops on a good full frame camera works.

There was one for $2,000.00 used on ebay a few days ago with like 66 hours on it, body only. That is a great deal.

An anamorphic lens is a wide-angle lens that optically distorts the 16:9 image to fit into a 4:3 frame before sending it to your camcorder. So yeah you take advantage of all the pixels on 4:3.

53 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

Is it me or did the whisky video seem a bit wobbly in places?

Another question about the dual card slots, can both be used to record at maximum quality at the same time (instant back up)?

Since both card slots are UHS-II U3 I would only assume you can record at max on both at the same time.

If the GH5 does gain at the least a 1/2 stop DR, and a 1/2 stop low light ability, and focus is better, it has to be the bargain of the year for Video shooters.

But that is a lot to hope for. And that is what it will take for me to buy it. But damn it sure does have some nice specs! Panasonic has really not held anything back on this thing. It is probably the very best they can do for a m4/3 camera with present technology.

What  both are saying, micah-mahaffey and terozzz  is that you can shot in way lower light with a A6300 than Any MFT. Sure you can buy a Speed Booster and a 0.95 lens and shoot low light but you Don't Have to buy that for the Sony. And imagine how low of light you could shoot in if you had a SB and a 0.95 lens on it! It is a baby Sony A7s in a sense. 

And I sure as heck so very little low light gain with the GH5 either. But I hope it does, because m4/3 is pretty bad at that. The Oly EM1 mkII did not gain but maybe 1/3 a stop either.

How can you turn this guy down. Here is your chance. https://www.reddit.com/r/Filmmakers/comments/5twrn6/is_there_anyone_here_who_would_like_their_project/

Looks like DPR has 2 GH5 bodies. Some footage.

21 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

They have done nothing interesting for 3 years.

 

Well I think the D500 is far and away the best Birder camera out there. And now with price drops are a no brainer to buy. Other than maybe the Olympus EM1 mkII nothing close to it.

Pretty interesting interview Dan Chung has here for the GH5. Not really super cheap, but not unrealistic,  but sure as hell small footprint. http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/02/12/panasonic-gh5-with-letus-helix-jr-single-axis-and-steadicam-aero-allows-new-levels-of-stabilisation/

Well as much money Samsung has and they bailed out having a killer camera like the NX1. They saw something down the road and cut their losses quick. No business can look to the future and see loss year after year and think staying is not stupid. Nikon knows they are in deep trouble yet like Kodak no one is too big to fail in the photo industry. And Nikon is really not that big. Gun scopes, spotting scopes, binoculars aren't going to save them.

There just is not that many high end photo shooters left anymore to buy their stuff. Even the D5 is not a runaway success they hoped for. Now the D500 maybe was a surprise for them. But they keep lowering the price on it, not too good of a sign.

I'll be honest their quality control lately is not much to write home about. The D750, D800 had a lot of problems high end stuff should never have. That is their Pro stuff, not good.

Well must admit the ending was susprising! Good effort. Liked it.

This looks damn good for V Log on my 2k monitor.

I don't really believe Nikon is going to survive. They have most of their assets in Photography, even their Steppers are mostly camera output related. DSLRs are nearly dinosours in this day and age. And that is the majority of their supply. And they are not burning up the market with great video specs either. Video is THE thing now and they suck ass in it.

And this is their 100th Anniversity year and they have no money, great! What they bring out this year, new D810, new D750 both DSLRs, are hard to predict. They had better be the best thing since sliced bread, or might as well not even bother.

I would sure hate to see them go, but they will I think, along with Pentax. Two of the first camera brands I ever owned a LONG time ago, over 50 years. Smartphones are killing all of them off. But amazing what power we have in our pockets now, just Amazing.

Well as of now nothing else has a chance to survive nearly as long as a Blu-Ray can. Now will there be a Blu-Ray player to play it, good question. But 30, 40 years is really not that long. Well in reality half a persons life almost but.. I sure would not trust any of these modern day printers to have prints survive that long even though they blow about 100 year inks. Yeah maybe if they never see the light of day! Lucky to last 5 years if the sun is on them. I lived in Florida for years and prints don't last for crap down there. Heat, humidity, and sun not good for print media.  

Trouble is now technology moves so fast God only knows what we will have 5 years from now, let alone 40 years from now. We probably can't begin to imagine.

I would imagine a photo album will last 40 years. They are almost always closed. I would imagine a SD card will last that long. As to a player for it ??? I am sure both will be good for a laugh from your kids 40 years from now! The way fashion goes they might be wearing the same outfits we are wearing now.                                          

Sure looks like they have Rolling Shutter down to hardly a problem with the faster sensor readout. Well done on that point.

55 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

Can you guys test the released and downloadable vlog sample files in 10bit and 8 bit please? I've played with them but I'm sure professionals like you guys would be able to make deeper observations. 

Well Neumann seems to be the only one that has done much testing on it that I have seen. What he has shown is looking damn good. But I can't really comment with that little footage that is available.

It Has to be better now that it is 10bit, but the codec really determines the real output. And that has been raised also. So I think GH5 V Log speed boosted might be as good or better than the Sony S Log cropped being it is only 8bit. Although Sony has a good codec also. Looking forward for a real life comparison on that case. Panasonic has really raised the computer HP in the GH5 it seems.

All these cameras that have a Log are damn hard to correct for the average Joe Blow. Lot of time required in post so not really sure even 10bit on the GH5 or even on a Sony A7siii will be as big of deal to run and gun stuff, less experienced people. There is a reason top films have 25 people working on them. Great video output is Really hard to achieve let alone a great story to go with it. It ain't easy.

I have a bad feeling the low light, DR is not that much better than the GH4. And that is what I would want way more than 10bit. Not counting better AF. I hope I am wrong. Now if all those things are better on the GH5 than wow, worth the 2 grand they are asking.

Wow, I almost barfed with the music and the shakiness LoL!! Ditch that damn song!!! And buy a god damned Gimbal!!!!

Yes and I also really like your dogs, and the effect looks pretty nice for the old timey thing. Over and out. It was not too bad, well maybe?

I think having smaller cameras on a tripod sort of defeats the purpose of smaller cameras. But I know gimbals that hold that much weight are pretty

expensive, and what happens if you get a large lens, bigger camera, etc.. No cheap out sad to say to do it right. Good effort though.

Amen to that! A little fishy this late in the game to me. There is no real tests to amount to crap. You have to figure the Olympus EM1 mkII has been out for what 2 months, and we don't have a GH5 focus test to save our ass, let alone any thing else to amount to write home to mother about but specs on paper.

Seems like this may be the best video camera ever made LoL, or it will be firmware hell for 6 months or more.

Definitely looks more film like than a Sony A7 series can for sure..

Well done. Looks like a winner for the money, and ease of use.

I guess you are talking the difference between  4096x2160 and 3840x2160?? They are different crop factors. One is using in essence full frame, and the higher one using a cropped section of the sensor. I am pretty sure the crop factor you are talking about IS different for each.

"The full sensor is 4608 px wide, so the math works out to a 1.125 crop factor for Cinema 4K's 4096 px width (in m4/3 terms), and 2.25 crop factor relative to FF. Your 7mm WA lens suddenly becomes almost 8mm - a noticeable change.

For UHD at 3840 px wide, the factor is 1.2 x m4/3 FL, or 2.4 relative to FF. 7mm is now 8.4/16.8mm; and your 25mm a 30/60mm.

FHD 1080 will continue to use the full sensor width and preserve the nominal FL."

Pete from DPR.

So yes there is a change in the Crop Factors if this is your question? Maybe I am not understanding your question, please inform me and others if we don't answer your question. There is no better way to learn than to ask for advice, and there are a lot of very capable people on here that will help. Welcome aboard.