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Why would you "buy" an APS-C lens for A7IV? If you already own it maybe for video, but buying it make no sense to me, for photo is meh as you loose a lot of res and for video is questionable.
Buy a good FF used lens, you will resell it with no too much loss if you want to change.
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On 3/25/2023 at 12:39 AM, Django said:
FX30 has much chunkier (ALL-I) codecs going up to 600mbps vs 200mbps on S5ii. It has 15ms RS vs 22ms on S5ii. It's AF is class-leading. And I believe it is Netflix approved which is always something to consider.
FX3 is Netflix approved FX30 is not or not yet: https://partnerhelp.netflixstudios.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000579527-Cameras-Image-Capture-Requirements-and-Best-Practices#h_01G6KEYFG76GRKVMJS382H5638
I would take FX30 or FX3 over Pana S5ii for the lens selection alone.
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
On 3/31/2023 at 11:25 AM, Django said:amazing shots as usual! are those stills or frame grabs?
I would thing IBIS would be a huge benefit when shooting handheld at such focal lengths but I guess there are the odd hiccups which you can't afford to miss in your extreme shoots.
Thanks!
All frame grabs, the only exception is the last one that is a photo from a timelapse sequence.
IBIS is known to be way less effective on long focal lens, not enough travel space so far back. The RF 100-500 is rated 5 stops IS and 6 stops when combined with IBIS and probably at 100mm, in practice I see zero difference other than the annoying reset that IBIS seems to be doing.
IBIS should be fully lockable and independent from lens IS, then we would have the best of both world.
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
Regarding IBIS I can confirm that with long lenses > 100mm (70-200, 100-500) the R5 sometimes jumps (kind of reset itself to the middle) and it is something that the R5c does not do.
I was filming in Alaska and the first day I opted for the R5 instead of the R5c due to the power consumption, in that environment I would not use and external battery, cables etc.. But I got a few shots ruined by IBIS so for day 2 I switched to the R5c and 6 batteries 😲 .
Is definitely a special use case mine where I do film a lot handheld at 300-500mm....
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
Really a meh release….
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And 12 Mpix only, imo is overpriced.
Where are all the “R8 is overpriced because it has only 1 card” naysayer? This one has only 1 card too for 700$ more…
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
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14 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:
Meanwhile, far from handing out cease and desist notices, Nikon are absolutely thrilled with a 3rd party releasing lenses for their system.
Hopefully this might see Canon reverse their policy?
Nah, me neither.
Apparently Nikon is deciding which lenses 3 parties can license or not, basically only non competing lenses. Not a coincidence that these are ASP-C lenses. Not really open but better than Canon.
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11 minutes ago, herein2020 said:
No I didn't just go by what Andrew said, I looked at it for myself, and the R8 is missing the back wheel around the joystick which I use on literally every single shoot, they moved the photo/video switch to the left side which means I would need to let go of my side handle to flip the switch vs the R7 which is on the right side and right under my thumb allowing me to instantly switch from photos to quick video clips during events, and last but not least it is even smaller and lighter than the R7.
On the switch this is really nitpicking... R5c has the switch on the left side. R5 does not even have the switch but you need to program a button and imo is worst as you can hit it by mistake as I do sometime and I hate it. So imo on the switch R8 > R5.
R7 has two wheels one for the index finger and one on the back but place much higher .... R8 has two wheels too one for the index finger and one that you can reach with your thumb on top like the R5, R5c, R3 and so on... it seems to me that the R7 is the strange one here.... if the R7 would have had 3 wheels maybe but it again it only has 1 joystick more....
I can understand that for your usage or preference you like the ergonomics of the R7 better, but claiming that the R8 has bad ergonomics is a bit of a long shoot. -
Is quite surprising that so few power zoom lenses available from the various lens makers.
Canon only has the 18-135 EF-S plus the PZ-E1 (that I think is even discontinued) or cine servo lenses that quite expensive. I would love to have PZ on the 70-200 and 100-500, I use a wireless ff to create a poor man servo zoom but is a big pita to setup every time.... rails... lens gear....additional batteries and cables and lastly calibration.... or use the DJI Focus on the gimbal for zoom but the same pita to set it up. One small but already good improvement would be to have focus and zoom lens gear by default on photo lenses....
Sony has a few ones with the 28-135 F4 probably the most useful on FF and although expensive more affordable that other options. Some good ones for APS-C... 18-105, 18-200...
Nikon and Sigma not sure they have any...
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16 hours ago, herein2020 said:
The R8 on the other hand IMO has a lot of real world compromises (battery size, ergonomics, single card slot, etc.) that I feel are more important than IQ to keep it at its current price point with a FF sensor. YT and other social media platforms do far more damage to my IQ than any crop sensor or line skipped footage ever will.
Battery size I'm fully with you but ergonomics?
It misses a joystick compared to the R7, moving the AF points with the touch screen is better for movies as you are not bumping the camera as with the joystick and is quicker so not really sure that this one omission makes it such a big deal.
Andrew posted that R8 has bad ergonomics and people do not even check 😁
https://camerasize.com/compact/#903,890,ha,b
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Cards got much more reliable if you buy good ones. I had 2 cards (same shitty Lexar 3400 CFast crap, no more lexar ever since then) failing in 20 years. The biggest advantage that you can store the two cards in different places to avoid thief or loss so you save backup time.
But honestly if you have 1500 dollar camera budget your are probably not shooting the Olympics. Having two cameras is probably more important that two card slots. As you can almost afford 2 x R8 (or maybe even better 1 R8 + 1 R7) vs 1 R6 II it maybe the safest option if you do it professionally.
One thing that most people do not know that dual cards protects of data loss but if 1 card fails the camera stops recording even if it has 2 cards.... it is bad but is like this at least on Canon.
But I do agree for some IBIS + Longer battery + dual cards is more important than FF + 4k60 HQ the good thing that you can pick the one that fits you better or stretch the budget and and have it all in the R6 II or 1 R8 + 1 R7 -
3 hours ago, newfoundmass said:
How is this camera built for speed?
Maybe because it can oversample a FF 24 mpix sensors at 60 fps 10 bit with full AF and can shoot 40fps 12 bit RAW pictures with full AF and AE.
40 fps RAW I believe it makes it the fastest FF RAW camera (with the R6 ii)…. just a few years ago you would need to buy a 1Dx class camera for 12/14 fps RAW….
But I finally find your problem with this camera … is not a Panasonic 🤣🤣
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2 hours ago, Kisaha said:
..and I was so enthusiastic..I am seriously considering going L all the way now, I just have to sell so many things it's unbelievable..
Completely personal feeling and not based on any fact, but I'm a bit puzzled why in a shrinking industry people would invest on L mount with basically only nice players with no high-end cinema and entry level consumers camera offering.... Currently the only two pseudo safe bet are Sony and Canon as both have from entry level to high-end cinema camera. Sony has already all in the mirrorless mount and Canon is following, plus you have REDs using the same RF mount.
Nikon has the Z9 that is really really a good camera but is the only one at the moment in their line. They have also some cool lenses so maybe they bounce back hopefully.
On the L mount... Leica and Sigma are really nice players for cameras, Panasonic seems to have dropped cinema cameras, how old is the EVA? and is not really a player in the photo space... Maybe DJI can push on the long term.... but seems a more risky move.
If people stick with Sony or Canon and don't continue to switch they save money and get good options from lower budget up to the big guns..... the others not soo much.
The used lens market is also much bigger and you can find really good deal. As EF + adapter works so well on the R cameras you can find some pretty impressive lens at attractive price. You now start to see also quite a bit of RF lenses used although with higher prices...
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8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:
Yes, I'm serious. And if you don't think a FF camera at a comparable price point with better specs won't be announced in the next 6 to 12 months then you don't follow the camera industry.
My comments aren't because I'm a Canon hater, they're because it's an average release with one standout feature. The R7 is a better option, and I gave Canon credit on this forum when it was announced.
If you're fine spending $1500 on a camera that lacks IBIS, has only one card slot, terrible battery life, poor ergonomics, etc. because it has full frame 4K60p then cool. But your opinion is no more valid than mine.
What ergonomic issue has this camera I don't get it? Compare it to your pointed out R7 it misses only 1 joystick that for video is not super useful compared to the touch screen. I have R5 and R5c and I use the joystick rarely and only for photo.
So please enlighten me on the poor ergonomics....? or maybe is not too bad that is so small and lightweight that you can use it in smaller gimbal..
IBIS, I wrote so much about the issue that it has at least on Canon cameras that I'm tired to repeat but the summary is Canon IBIS is bad <30mm and if you turn it off you lose lens IS, great between 30-100 especially on non IS lenses, and not useful > 100mm and counterproductive on long lens 400+500mm. What canon needs to do is an IBIS that you can physically fully block while keeping lens IS on.... until then is mix bag....
You are so obsess with one stand out feature but the R8 has many not seen at this price point, FF + great AF + 4k 24 super sampled + 10 bit log + good rolling shutter. I ask you one more time can you point me out another FF camera in the same price range even without your standout 4k super sampled 60? But yes in 6 to 12 months XYZ will have it all + IBIS and for 100$ less so no point in buying this.... or you are one that says great AF is useless as ARRI does not have it 😁, FF is overrated, super sampling what is for I watch on a phone only, but whiteout IBIS is carp as ARRI is 😁. I'm sure you will come with the argument that but XYZ used it has.... but you know what if you keep waiting the R8 will be sold used 😁
So R7 not full frame, really bad RS 32ms!!, no super sampled 50/60p, it is a much better release because it has IBIS and longer battery.... and yes I forget the famous joystick 😉
They are both very good camera for the price but you are not happy that other people are happy with the R8... is a bit sad... it is more than fine that you don't find it a great release but why asking other to stop being happy or praising.... "To be clear, it's not an awful release, but let's stop praising Canon because they're doing more than the bare minimum finally"
If keep waiting for what comes next makes you happy good for you, but life is too short for keep waiting and complaining ; 😉 .... -
13 hours ago, herein2020 said:
I guess I just look at it the other way, I don't consider the crop sensor to be a compromise at all and I use it with FF glass every day; in fact, I did not buy a single new lens for the R7, even my EF-S glass works with it. I actually consider it a strength since it produces identical IQ as the R5 up to 3200ISO, but with better battery life, better IBIS, and better heat handling.
What I do consider a much bigger compromise is the single card slot, worse ergonomics, no IBIS, etc of the R8 just because it is a FF sensor.
I do agree, no matter who this camera appeals to; consumers win in the end with more choice.
I thinks R7 vs R8 is a much harder call.... R8 has FF, much better rolling shutter 15 vs 30ms "to be confirmed", 4k 60 super sampled but no IBIS and lame battery, maybe worst ergonomics but smaller and lighter.... R7 has IBIS and S35 if you need reach or want to use APS-C lenses but line skipping 4k 60 and pretty severe rolling shutter in HQ.
The good news that they are both available so people can pick the one that fits their needs the most. -
3 minutes ago, Kisaha said:
Another pub type discussion, sans the nice ales you get there and the smelly carpet!
The people that need IBIS, won't buy this camera. The people that are happy with APS-C won't..but people that need amazing full frame performance and IQ in the least price new, WILL! You will be surprised to learn how many there are!
This is a 1500$ release, whatever that's translated to your country.
Right now, R6mkII is 3.200€ in my E.U country, the R8 will be probably 1750-1.800€, the analogy will be similar in any country, a significant increase in final price. 3.200 - 1.800 = 1.400€ difference. That is huge..
Not everyone just buys whatever cameras are out there. This is madness..Canon offering such a quality with Clog3 to connect all the dots is unheard of..
I gave you some sales figures also, RP is super successful and popular, the R8 arguably is a much better and more modern camera. Success!
For me it will be a great addition to my collection of cameras. Yes, I wish I could afford the R6mkII, but my next purchase won't be the money maker, so I have limited funds to invest, meanwhile, I still will be able to use it on some projects additionally to my other cameras. Priceless..
This exactly, for the first time you can buy an entry level FF that has great spec and will allow many people to create great content with a fairly "low investment".
My only concern is the battery that we need to see some test, you can always partially mitigate with a power bank for long takes.
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9 hours ago, newfoundmass said:
One camera was released in 2023, the other was released in 2020. A 2023 camera shouldn't be comparable to a camera released nearly 3 years earlier, regardless of the price.
Canon doesn't deserve a ticker-tape parade for releasing an average camera with one great feature (and several handicaps) just because they priced it lower than a bunch of cameras that are 2-3 years older than it. It's a pretty damning indictment of Canon that people think they do simply for not releasing a lemon.
An entry model camera that was released three years ago! Within 6 to 12 months there will be a FF camera that exceeds what the Canon R8 can do, and probably significantly, while priced competitively.
Are you serious?
We should compare to cameras that may be released in the future and thus we should be here saying that is meh release because it will be surpassed in the future?!? Because you, alias Nostradamus 🙂, thinks that in 6-12 months there will be (and I actually hope so) better cameras in this class?
But yes if you remove the super sampled 4k with no crop 24-60p, the great AF, the fast still fps, the 10 bit log, the good rolling shutter, the hybrid hot shoe, it is a crappy release... but guess what great AF and great 4k 24-60 image with AF is what many people want.
I have also a prediction then, with the "next 6 to 12 months camera on the same price brackets" people can take artifacts free, rolling shutter free and noise free image, by using 0 space on the card compared to the R8 because it does not exit 😁
You don't like canon and is fine but I really don't get what is your contribution here as it not facts based and only hypothetical future predictions that does not help anybody that needs a camera today.
Canon has changed a lot on the video side and most of the new release have really good video capacity with great AF:
C70 4k RAW
R5 8K RAW, 4k 120
R5c 8K RAW 60P with Cinema OS
R3 6K RAW 60p
R6, R6 II, R8 super sampled 4k 60 10bit CLog 3
R7 super sampled S35 4k 60 10bit CLog 3
Times are changed from the Canon that was not innovating and holding back tons of features on the video sides. Are these camera perfect no, are their competitive in their respective price bracket yes. Just a few years ago RP and R where really meh released for video.
The fact that a 1500$ gives you most of the feature that the others much more expensive cameras give you is the good story. And let's not discuss on the stills side that for the sports/actions photographer a R8 will do better in many scenarios than 6k$ 1Dx III (and I owned the 1Dx III)
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1 hour ago, herein2020 said:
I didn't say it should have a single thing it doesn't have, all I did was compare the missing features to the type of people those missing features will drive away and concluded with the fact that IMO the R7 at the same price point is a better value while I tried to imagine what type of consumer would find the R8 appealing; I never said it should have xyz feature at its price point.
Also, I didn't find in Canon's documentation for the R8 that it has the hybrid hotshoe, maybe they say it in one of the YT videos or comprehensive reviews, but I didn't see it listed in Canon's marketing materials.
Yes, the RF lenses you listed are "cheap" for RF lenses but I was comparing the ergonomics of the R8 to the Canon Rebel and regardless of how cheap RF lenses are when compared to other RF lenses, they are still more expensive than APS-C lenses meaning you are still paying quite a bit for a camera that has a lot of compromises at its price point considering the R7 at the same price point has none of them.
Here is listed the hybrid hotshoe and even a pic with a mic.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/02/07/canon-eos-r8-r50-announced/
on dpreview you can see the hotshoe that has all the small pins on the back.
For the same shallow dof lenses you will spend less on the R8 than R7 lenses so I really don’t get this APS-C arguments that lens are cheaper they are not.
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3 hours ago, newfoundmass said:
The A7c is like 3 years old. We're setting the bar awful low if "it's a better value than a 3 year old camera" is all it takes to praise Canon. It seems like any time they don't release a complete lemon people feel the need to praise them like you'd praise a dog for going to the bathroom outside while potty training them. (sorry, I'm currently potty training a pup!)
Happy to see your comparison with other FF in the same price range.... Nikon Z5 😁 ?
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6 hours ago, herein2020 said:
I am sure they will sell loads of these but to me its hard to tell who will buy this. The absolute only feature that I think is surprising at its price point is the uncropped downsampled 4K60FPS, everything else is a major compromise IMO:
- No IBIS - That rules out most vloggers
- Tiny Battery - Anyone who already owns a Canon body will think twice about getting a new body that requires a different battery.
- Single card slot - understandable at this price point but IMO this single missing feature eliminates this camera from even being used as a B or C camera for paid work.
- No Hybrid Hotshoe - Once again, understandable at this price point, but I would have thought Canon would standardize on that feature for all new bodies not to mention it might drive sales of Canon accessories.
- Price - This camera is definitely priced out of Canon Rebel territory, but it has the ergonomics of a Canon Rebel. Definitely better specs, but the same ergonomics. Combine that with expensive RF lenses or having to buy EF lenses and an adapter vs crop sensor lenses like the Canon Rebel and you have a rather expensive setup with tons of compromises.
Of course I am biased since I own (and love) my R7, but IMO if you are going with a Canon body at this price point the R7 is a way better value. The R8 makes you accept too many compromises just to say you have a FF sensor and to get non line skipped 4K60FPS.
Also, I agree with @Andrew Reid the ergonomics look pretty awful; the only thing that makes the R7 tolerable without the back wheel is the wheel around the joystick, even then I still wish the R7 had included the back wheel as well just to keep some consistency when paired with the R5.
BTW Canon is confusing me these days, it seems like no two bodies are even the same button layout. I think the wheel around the joystick is great and should have made an appearance with the R6II but it didn't. It would have also made the button layout of the R8 a bit more tolerable.
Needless to say, this is a big nope for me, but Canon being Canon, they will sell tons of these and convert tons more new buyers to their RF lenses. A body like this reminds me of printers; they get you with the rock bottom prices and loads of features....the sticker price comes later when you need to buy the ink. With this body they get you with the low price then you are stuck with either more compromises (buying "new" EF mount lenses), or they get you with the RF lens prices since I get the feeling that most buyers of this body won't already be in Canon's FF ecosystem.
R8 has the hybrid hotshoe.
Expensive RF lens like the RF 100-400, 600 11, 800 11, 24-105 7.1, 24-240, 16, 24, 35, 50, 85 STM, 24-50, 15-30….
I don’t think people buying an entry level R body will buy 28-70 2.0 or 50 1.2
Yes canon should have included IBIS, a bigger battery, a bigger body and call it R6 II….. boy it cost 1000$ (40%) less it cannot be the same.
The Sony a7c cost 300$ more has no dual card neither, max 10fps vs 40, 4k 30 max and with a 1.2 crop at 30, 8bit only, half the res touch screen…. people should get real…
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
7 hours ago, herein2020 said:. Of course you still would have that IBIS problem with the R5C and the slower AF......so there's no way around that if you go with the R5C
R5c does NOT have a slower AF vs R5. If you set both for maximum speed and reaction they are both the same speed tested with the same lens (70-200 and 100-500) going from infinity, mfd, middle back and forth on the same subjects with the same light.
R5 is quite faster in AF while NOT recording as it seems to use the photo and not video AF but as soon as you are recording they are basically the same. As I have both I feel the R5c AF more sticky than the R5 in video.
R5c AF has less options so you don't have animal, cars AF and the AF "zones" are more limited but you gain face only (I believe R3 and R7 now has that too but R5 not). The biggest drawback imo is that in 4k 100/120 there is no face AF. I hope they will add in a firmware update as the C70 just got it, but in contrast you can record audio at 4k 100/120 and it has a bit better quality on the R5c so I end up using more the R5c for 4k 120 than the R5.
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Canon EOS R5C
In: Cameras
15 hours ago, Ty Harper said:@Django just came across this on an R5C group on FB. Pretty lean imo.
Smallrig holder: https://amzn.to/3GPlhGY
Power Bank: https://amzn.to/3iU0Aln
Is by far the cheapest solution but you lose the tripod mount, you can of course mount on top of the cage freeing it up the tripod.
I looked at this solution but it looks more fragile than vmount
You can even hot swap the power bank as you need to have the lp6e battery…
Canon EOS R5C
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Cool, let's see how it turns out, really looking forward on the power saving mode.
I wish they would also add:
- Apply LUT on RAW playback. This seems so basic!
- AF face tracking in 4k 100/120
- 8k 50/60 RAW with AF and IS with internal battery even if it last only 15min
- Move the waveform around as you wish.
- Program a button for deleting video in playback mode that requires a simple confirmation and not 300 button press...