gt3rs

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Yes, I'm serious. And if you don't think a FF camera at a comparable price point with better specs won't be announced in the next 6 to 12 months then you don't follow the camera industry. 

My comments aren't because I'm a Canon hater, they're because it's an average release with one standout feature. The R7 is a better option, and I gave Canon credit on this forum when it was announced. 

If you're fine spending $1500 on a camera that lacks IBIS, has only one card slot, terrible battery life, poor ergonomics, etc. because it has full frame 4K60p then cool. But your opinion is no more valid than mine. 

What ergonomic issue has this camera I don't get it? Compare it to your pointed out R7 it misses only 1 joystick that for video is not super useful compared to the touch screen. I have R5 and R5c and I use the joystick rarely and only for photo. 
So please enlighten me on the poor ergonomics....? or maybe is not too bad that is so small and lightweight that you can use it in smaller gimbal..

IBIS, I wrote so much about the issue that it has at least on Canon cameras that I'm tired to repeat but the summary is Canon IBIS is bad <30mm and if you turn it off you lose lens IS, great between 30-100 especially on non IS lenses, and not useful > 100mm and counterproductive on long lens 400+500mm. What canon needs to do is an IBIS that you can physically fully block while keeping lens IS on.... until then is mix bag....

You are so obsess with one stand out feature but the R8 has many not seen at this price point, FF + great AF + 4k 24 super sampled + 10 bit log + good rolling shutter. I ask you one more time can you point me out another FF camera in the same price range even without your standout 4k super sampled 60? But yes in 6 to 12 months XYZ will have it all + IBIS and for 100$ less so no point in buying this.... or you are one that says great AF is useless as ARRI does not have it 😁, FF is overrated, super sampling what is for I watch on a phone only, but whiteout IBIS is carp as ARRI is 😁. I'm sure you will come with the argument that but XYZ used it has.... but you know what if you keep waiting the R8 will be sold used 😁

So R7 not full frame, really bad RS 32ms!!, no super sampled 50/60p, it is a much better release because it has IBIS and longer battery.... and yes I forget the famous joystick 😉

They are both very good camera for the price but you are not happy that other people are happy with the R8... is a bit sad... it is more than fine that you don't find it a great release but why asking other to stop being happy or praising....  "To be clear, it's not an awful release, but let's stop praising Canon because they're doing more than the bare minimum finally" 

If keep waiting for what comes next makes you happy good for you, but life is too short for keep waiting and complaining ; 😉 .... 

13 hours ago, herein2020 said:

 

I guess I just look at it the other way, I don't consider the crop sensor to be a compromise at all and I use it with FF glass every day; in fact, I did not buy a single new lens for the R7, even my EF-S glass works with it.  I actually consider it a strength since it produces identical IQ as the R5 up to 3200ISO, but with better battery life, better IBIS, and better heat handling.

What I do consider a much bigger compromise is the single card slot, worse ergonomics, no IBIS, etc of the R8 just because it is a FF sensor.

I do agree, no matter who this camera appeals to; consumers win in the end with more choice.

I thinks R7 vs R8 is a much harder call.... R8 has FF, much better rolling shutter 15 vs 30ms "to be confirmed", 4k 60 super sampled but no IBIS and lame battery, maybe worst ergonomics but smaller and lighter.... R7 has IBIS and S35 if you need reach or want to use APS-C lenses but line skipping 4k 60 and pretty severe rolling shutter in HQ.

The good news that they are both available so people can pick the one that fits their needs the most. 

3 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Another pub type discussion, sans the nice ales you get there and the smelly carpet!

The people that need IBIS, won't buy this camera. The people that are happy with APS-C won't..but people that need amazing full frame performance and IQ in the least price new, WILL! You will be surprised to learn how many there are!

This is a 1500$ release, whatever that's translated to your country.

Right now, R6mkII is 3.200€ in my E.U country, the R8 will be probably 1750-1.800€, the analogy will be similar in any country, a significant increase in final price. 3.200 - 1.800 = 1.400€ difference. That is huge..

Not everyone just buys whatever cameras are out there. This is madness..Canon offering such a quality with Clog3 to connect all the dots is unheard of..

I gave you some sales figures also, RP is super successful and popular, the R8 arguably is a much better and more modern camera. Success!

For me it will be a great addition to my collection of cameras. Yes, I wish I could afford the R6mkII, but my next purchase won't be the money maker, so I have limited funds to invest, meanwhile, I still will be able to use it on some projects additionally to my other cameras. Priceless..

This exactly, for the first time you can buy an entry level FF that has great spec and will allow many people to create great content with a fairly "low investment". 

My only concern is the battery that we need to see some test, you can always partially mitigate with a power bank for long takes.
 

9 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

One camera was released in 2023, the other was released in 2020. A 2023 camera shouldn't be comparable to a camera released nearly 3 years earlier, regardless of the price.

Canon doesn't deserve a ticker-tape parade for releasing an average camera with one great feature (and several handicaps) just because they priced it lower than a bunch of cameras that are 2-3 years older than it. It's a pretty damning indictment of Canon that people think they do simply for not releasing a lemon.

An entry model camera that was released three years ago! Within 6 to 12 months there will be a FF camera that exceeds what the Canon R8 can do, and probably significantly, while priced competitively. 

 

Are you serious?
We should compare to cameras that may be released in the future and thus we should be here saying that is meh release because it will be surpassed in the future?!? Because you, alias Nostradamus 🙂, thinks that in 6-12 months there will be (and I actually hope so) better cameras in this class?

But yes if you remove the super sampled 4k with no crop 24-60p, the great AF, the fast still fps, the 10 bit log, the good rolling shutter, the hybrid hot shoe, it is a crappy release... but guess what great AF and great 4k 24-60 image with AF is what many people want.  

I have also a prediction then, with the "next 6 to 12 months camera on the same price brackets" people can take artifacts free, rolling shutter free and noise free image, by using 0 space on the card compared to the R8 because it does not exit 😁

You don't like canon and is fine but I really don't get what is your contribution here as it not facts based and only hypothetical future predictions that does not help anybody that needs a camera today. 

Canon has changed a lot on the video side and most of the new release have really good video capacity with great AF:

C70 4k RAW
R5 8K RAW, 4k 120
R5c 8K RAW 60P with Cinema OS
R3 6K RAW 60p
R6, R6 II, R8 super sampled 4k 60 10bit CLog 3
R7 super sampled S35 4k 60 10bit CLog 3

Times are changed from the Canon that was not innovating and holding back tons of features on the video sides. Are these camera perfect no, are their competitive in their respective price bracket yes. Just a few years ago RP and R where really meh released for video.

The fact that a 1500$ gives you most of the feature that the others much more expensive cameras give you is the good story. And let's not discuss on the stills side that for the sports/actions photographer a R8 will do better in many scenarios than 6k$ 1Dx III (and I owned the 1Dx III)

 

1 hour ago, herein2020 said:

I didn't say it should have a single thing it doesn't have, all I did was compare the missing features to the type of people those missing features will drive away and concluded with the fact that IMO the R7 at the same price point is a better value while I tried to imagine what type of consumer would find the R8 appealing; I never said it should have xyz feature at its price point.

Also, I didn't find in Canon's documentation for the R8 that it has the hybrid hotshoe, maybe they say it in one of the YT videos or comprehensive reviews, but I didn't see it listed in Canon's marketing materials.

Yes, the RF lenses you listed are "cheap" for RF lenses but I was comparing the ergonomics of the R8 to the Canon Rebel and regardless of how cheap RF lenses are when compared to other RF lenses, they are still more expensive than APS-C lenses meaning you are still  paying quite a bit for a camera that has a lot of compromises at its price point considering the R7 at the same price point has none of them.

Here is listed the hybrid hotshoe and even a pic with a mic.

https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/02/07/canon-eos-r8-r50-announced/

on dpreview you can see the hotshoe that has all the small pins on the back.

For the same shallow dof lenses you will spend less on the R8 than R7 lenses so I really don’t get this APS-C arguments that lens are cheaper they are not.

3 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

The A7c is like 3 years old. We're setting the bar awful low if "it's a better value than a 3 year old camera" is all it takes to praise Canon. It seems like any time they don't release a complete lemon people feel the need to praise them like you'd praise a dog for going to the bathroom outside while potty training them. (sorry, I'm currently potty training a pup!) 

Happy to see your comparison with other FF in the same price range.... Nikon Z5 😁 ? 

 

6 hours ago, herein2020 said:

I am sure they will sell loads of these but to me its hard to tell who will buy this. The absolute only feature that I think is surprising at its price point is the uncropped downsampled 4K60FPS, everything else is a major compromise IMO:

 

• No IBIS - That rules out most vloggers
• Tiny Battery - Anyone who already owns a Canon body will think twice about getting a new body that requires a different battery.
• Single card slot - understandable at this price point but IMO this single missing feature eliminates this camera from even being used as a B or C camera for paid work. 
• No Hybrid Hotshoe - Once again, understandable at this price point, but I would have thought Canon would standardize on that feature for all new bodies not to mention it might drive sales of Canon accessories.
• Price - This camera is definitely priced out of Canon Rebel territory, but it has the ergonomics of a Canon Rebel. Definitely better specs, but the same ergonomics. Combine that with expensive RF lenses or having to buy EF lenses and an adapter vs crop sensor lenses like the Canon Rebel and you have a rather expensive setup with tons of compromises.

Of course I am biased since I own (and love) my R7, but IMO if you are going with a Canon body at this price point the R7 is a way better value. The R8 makes you accept too many compromises just to say you have a FF sensor and to get non line skipped 4K60FPS.

Also, I agree with @Andrew Reid the ergonomics look pretty awful; the only thing that makes the R7 tolerable without the back wheel is the wheel around the joystick, even then I still wish the R7 had included the back wheel as well just to keep some consistency when paired with the R5.

BTW Canon is confusing me these days, it seems like no two bodies are even the same button layout. I think the wheel around the joystick is great and should have made an appearance with the R6II but it didn't. It would have also made the button layout of the R8 a bit more tolerable.

Needless to say, this is a big nope for me, but Canon being Canon, they will sell tons of these and convert tons more new buyers to their RF lenses. A body like this reminds me of printers; they get you with the rock bottom prices and loads of features....the sticker price comes later when you need to buy the ink. With this body they get you with the low price then you are stuck with either more compromises (buying "new" EF mount lenses), or they get you with the RF lens prices since I get the feeling that most buyers of this body won't already be in Canon's FF ecosystem.

R8 has the hybrid hotshoe.

Expensive RF lens like the RF 100-400, 600 11, 800 11, 24-105 7.1, 24-240, 16, 24, 35, 50, 85 STM, 24-50, 15-30….

I don’t think people buying an entry level R body will buy 28-70 2.0 or 50 1.2

Yes canon should have included IBIS, a bigger battery, a bigger body and call it R6 II….. boy it cost 1000$ (40%) less it cannot be the same.

The Sony a7c cost 300$ more has no dual card neither, max 10fps vs 40, 4k 30 max and with a 1.2 crop at 30, 8bit only, half the res touch screen…. people should get real…

Battery life is a bit short, single card and potential overheating in 4k 60p but imo is a super value for the price. Overall I think is a better value proposition than then R6 II. 

7 hours ago, herein2020 said:

. Of course you still would have that IBIS problem with the R5C and the slower AF......so there's no way around that if you go with the R5C

 

R5c does NOT have a slower AF vs R5. If you set both for maximum speed and reaction they are both the same speed tested with the same lens (70-200 and 100-500) going from infinity, mfd, middle back and forth  on the same subjects with the same light.
R5 is quite faster in AF while NOT recording as it seems to use the photo and not video AF but as soon as you are recording they are basically the same. As I have both I feel the R5c AF more sticky than the R5 in video.
R5c AF has less options so you don't have animal, cars AF and the AF "zones" are more limited but you gain face only (I believe R3 and R7 now has that too but R5 not). The biggest drawback imo is that in 4k 100/120 there is no face AF. I hope they will add in a firmware update as the C70 just got it, but in contrast you can record audio at 4k 100/120 and it has a bit better quality on the R5c so I end up using more the R5c for 4k 120 than the R5.

 

15 hours ago, Ty Harper said:

 

@Django just came across this on an R5C group on FB. Pretty lean imo. 

Smallrig holder: https://amzn.to/3GPlhGY

Power Bank: https://amzn.to/3iU0Aln

Is by far the cheapest solution but you lose the tripod mount, you can of course mount on top of the cage freeing it up the tripod.

I looked at this solution but it looks more fragile than vmount

You can even hot swap the power bank as you need to have the lp6e battery…

9 minutes ago, Django said:

yeah I don't need 8K60p. so lets see, the grip + battery solution is elegant but expensive and you still need to swap batteries during the day:

3500€ body + 400€ grip + minimum 400€ (for 4 batteries). boom we're talking R3 money.

Kondor Blue Dummy battery ($40) to FXLion V-mount (180€) seems way more affordable plus no battery swap.

How is the V-mount attached to the cage? Almost looks like your on a hot/cold shoe.

What about Anton Bauer base battery kit (370€)? I like that it has quick release with mount holes. seems pretty elegant and they have a kit with dummy battery to P-Tap. 68Wh capacity should give you even more runtime than the FXLion?

I have this https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-eos-r5-r5c-r6-black-mamba-camera-cage-3233b.html (there is also this one https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-black-mamba-camera-cage-for-canon-eos-r5-c-3890.html  for the R5c version but covers the remote terminal and I need that for remotes ) this smaller one also would work https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-black-mamba-camera-half-cage-cable-clamp-for-canon-eos-r5-r5-c-r6-3656.html

And this to mount the battery on top of the cage: https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-mini-v-mount-battery-plate-2987.html
The setup is clumsy but very solid.

The grip here in CH went down to around 300 euro and you need 3 battery as one comes with the camera so around 600 euro. The R3 you would also need 1 more battery too.


The anton bauer is also an option, it is bigger and is heavier at 700g vs 300g of the FXLion Nano One (although if you add the cage ca 300g and the mount were are basically the same) but it does not have USB PD so for me is a no go. The FXLion Nano Two is 98wh and 520g will run for 5-6h. The Nano can be charged with any USB-C charger make it very practical. 
Would the anton bauer have USB-PD I would have probably gone that route. New there is this option too that 
Kondor blue offer that would make the anton bauer also PD enabled but the cable seems quite clumsy :  https://kondorblue.com/products/16-d-tap-to-usb-c-9v-3a-regulated-blue-braided-straight

A small anton bauer base + 9v dummy battery to dtap would be also a great solution but does not exist.

If you want to risk you could mount a 45w battery pack on the hotshoe and run the USB-C probably with 100 euro you cover all but for what I do is way too risky.

As you can see I did a lot of research, my solution works for me but is not great.
I still feel that a battery grip is the best option if no use of 8k 50/60. You can research a bit and some people have good luck with non oem LPE6 that are cheaper than the original. 










 

47 minutes ago, Django said:

It's almost a no brainer on paper but I keep hearing about the dreadful battery life. I just have to wonder how bad is it? If the camera keeps dying on me this sounds like overheat caveat all over again. How many batteries do I need for a 4 to 5 hour shoot ? what portable USB-C external power works for it ?

 

The LPN6NH would give you around 50 min of continuous recording or 60 min standby and this is the real issue. No matter what it chews battery, one trick is that if you hit play then it does not chew battery in standby.
Two LPE6NH in the battery grip it will give you around 100+ min continuous recording. So for 4-5h you probably need at least 4 LPE6NH battery. 

If you don't care about 8k 50/60 one solution is kondor blue dummy battery https://kondorblue.com/products/d-tap-to-canon-lpe6-dummy-battery-cable  and if you have V Mount battery already you are set to go. A FXLion Nano One (one of the smaller V Mount battery around) gives me around 3h or recording a normal V Mount probably 6h+. The advantage of the dummy battery you don't risk to break any ports. I use this setup but with the FXLion that has a USB-C port too so when I use 8k 50/60 I simply plug the USB-C cable. 

USB-C you need a power bank that is 45w and there are now very common and quite cheap, smallrig has some mounting solutions https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-holder-for-portable-power-banks-bub2336.html . The big issue is the fragility of the USB-C port so either you use the supplied cable protector (piece of crap) or at least an half cage and the small rig cable protector (more solid + you can have a full HDMI too). 
A 45w power bank will also charge the batteries while plugged in to the camera.

Bottom-line the more elegant solution is the battery grip, no need for a cage, no dangling cables, no ports to be broken. But no 8k50/60.

So my solution is no LPE6 at all, cage + dummy battery + FX Lion One Nano + USB C when needed. But ugly and expensive...
I wish they would do a battery grip that would supply enough power for 8k 50/60 then all this frankenmonster would be over...

13 hours ago, Django said:

@herein2020 Thanks for the feedback, good to know you've sorted out your issues with R5!

Well 8K compressed definitely tilts the balance more in R5 favour now. 

I really don't get why R3, the flagship doesn't have at least 6K ALL-I/IPB. Sounds like a real oversight.

Only problem I have with R5 is the line-skipped FF 4K60p.

It looks like for up to 4K60p R3 & R6ii are the best options. For higher resolution its R5/R5C followed by R3.

Decisions, decisions.

R5c 4k60 is oversampled from 8k so same quality as the 4k 30HQ.
Yes R3 has only RAW in 6k while R5c and R5 have also 8k h265. But RAW in general is easier to edit but it really depends on the software and the machine, of course it takes more storage.

R5 4k 60 and 120 are not the best in class but I do agree with @herein2020 that are more than usable.
As pointed out by herein2020 R5 does not have the new hotshoe so you cannot use the Tascam xlr thingy.... not sure is a topic for you or not.

 

2 minutes ago, Django said:

 

But that does bring upon body size and ergonomics and that's imo another bonus for R3 imo. 

The bigger size and grip probably balances bigger EF/RF lenses better than the smaller R5/R5C/R6.

From my time with the 1Dx II and 1Dx III I would say no, it does not really help that much the grip. And you can always use the grip on a R5 but is a pita on gimbals and imo does not help that much...
For vertical then is a another story but with R5 8k why would you shot vertical instead of just cropping as you have even more room to reframe?

I'm not sure that the video improvements of the R3 are worth the 1.5k euro difference vs R5..... if you plan to use a lot 6k RAW 50/60 then yes if not then imo is an overpriced R6 II.... 
 

@Django both are very good cameras with each some drawbacks.

For video my A cam is the R5c and B cam is the R5. Any framerate above 30fps the R5c is sharper and 120 you can record audio on an SD. So for my usage is better as I shot a lot in 8k 50 and slow mo.
XAVC, S35 RAW, Waveform, Peeking during AF, and face only AF, unlimited recording, being the other keys advantage of the R5c

On IBIS, in my experience it is super valuable between 30mm and 100mm but not good below 30mm and not really useful and sometime bad above 100mm. Here is the catch, as you cannot disable IBIS and keep IS on, the R5c with a wide angle IS lens is better than the R5 no wobble but you get IS. As I already posted with the 100-500, that I use a lot handled for video, I get better results in the R5c than the R5 as on the R5 sometime in fast pans it jumps and I think it is the IBIS.

I use quite a bit a gimbal for tracking shoot and there having IS but no IBIS at 24mm it creates a more stable picture, no wobble but yet IS helps with the small jitters.

Bottomline if you use a lot 35, 50, 85 primes then the R5 IBIS is super valuable for the reset especially with IS lenses in my experience is counterproductive.

This scene would not work with IBIS due to wobble, but IS helps on the gimbal with the vibrations, so R5c wins in this situations:

This one is handled with 100-500 on the R5c so only IS:

Battery is the biggest issue of the R5c, the grip solves it but is expensive and no support of 8k RAW 50/60, the alternative also expensive is half or full cage, smallrig small v mount plate and FXLION Nano One + kondorblue dummy battery (I use the USB-C cable when I do 8K RAW 50/60). But it makes the overall setup bulky and cumbersome the only good thing is that with two battery you basically go all day. So yes R5c battery sucks big time

Due to this the TCO of the R5c is more expensive than R5 and you really cannot use just 1 internal battery…

On the lag I really don’t see the problem, here a sequence of photos at 20fps all perfectly sharp and I could follow the player easily on the EVF, on my 1DX III I was not getting a 100% ratio in a sequence like this and less frames too: 

On the R3 I think is overpriced for what it is and I’m not going back to 20-24 mpix, I so much easy to be a bel to crop a bit so I can leave some safety room.

Why not buying a used R5 you can use it for a few months and see if it is perfect for your usage or not. If not you probably sell it for just a few euro less of what you paid? R5c used are quite rare....

I did finally edit a first version of the SA video.

Canon R5c, DJI RS3 Pro, RF 70-200 2.8, RF 100-500, RF 400 2.8, EF 24-70 2.8. All shoot 8K RAW 50fps other than the Cheetahs running that are at 4k 100fps.
 

19 hours ago, Davide DB said:

@gt3rs did you clean those clips? 

All reviews said that RAW is very noisy but you clips seems perfect.

Only the leopard at iso 16'000 has NR applied, mostly chroma noise reduction. All the others have zero NR applied. 

RAW is more noisy and rightly so as most camera apply NR to 10bit Log, RAW should have none (I think a bit is there anyway but not sure). Imo this is great as you can fine tune the NR that you need, you can even go fancy and apply NR to only specific area or color range. 
If you open a R5 RAW picture in LR you will see that by default it apply color noise reduction, so some NR on RAW is needed even for photos. Although imo a well exposed ISO 800 (base iso) RAW video does not need any NR.

Not knowing the settings and what was done in post out of the RAW of the video that you posted is impossible to judge imo.

In general I find it better to expose to the right with Canon RAW and lower the black in post than raising the shadow.    

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

Is EIS absent of 8K 50/60p I guess because it's RAW?

But not on 4K 100/120fps, correct?

Digital IS is available in all modes other than RAW. 8k 50/60 is RAW only. 8k 24-30 MP4 supports Digital IS, 4k 100/120 also.

33 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Lovely use : ) OIS too, I guess? And no bean bag this time :- )

OIS is always on and it helps on the gimbal with the mini vibration of the jeep

One more with a more complex movement with the jeep this one with pre-focusd and then AF locked, 8K 50 RAW 1/100 slow down  2x, gimbal 70-200 

One simpler scenario for AF, R5c on gimbal handheld on the vehicle moving, 70-200 at 2.8, 8K RAW 50fps slowed down 2x.  
 

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

Well, you didn't lose it, just readjust the AF... ; )

 

Other than the bean bag, what else you used to stabilize it?

OIS?

What lens? The expensive Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM?

EIS too, I guess?

 

What frame rate acquisition?

 

Impressive result... : ) If this works in a jungle, imagine now for street photography!

25 fps, only lens IS, lens Canon RF 400 2.8 IS (rented). I don't use EIS as I'm RAW only other than when I need 120fps that I need to use 10bit log. 

On long lenses 70-200, 100-500 and 400 in my experience IS works better than IS+IBIS, and as you cannot turn off IBIS and keep IS on the R5 I always use the R5c for long lens work especially handled. 

21 hours ago, Davide DB said:

It is impressive how the AF chases the animals and is not distracted by the bushes in the foreground.

At one point it seems to focus on the logs but then follows the cheetahs into the bushes naturally.

I was also very surprised how well it managed this tricky situation. Overall AF is quite reliable but is not always perfect. This is example when it lost it in the easiest phase but the condition where really challenging.

R5c 8K RAW 1/50 ISO 16'000 (yes not a typo ISO 16k) 400mm 2.8, AF tracking, on a bean bag, it was basically night and my driver did not believe I could film in that light. The beginning is out of focus until I could select the young leopard face, at 0.19 is when the camera loses him. 

On 12/10/2022 at 10:42 AM, ntblowz said:

I think Canon could really have to fix the R5C's usability, atm it's borderline usable but could be much better, like there is no reason not to shoot videos on still mode, or using dpaf Ii on cine mode as it is the same sensor! And only 40min on standby..

The two quick fixes that they should do is offering a battery grip that allows 8k 50/60 basically solving the battery issue and re-enable video in photo mode (why not give user the choice? They could even have a custom function that you can enable and disable video mode in photo).

If you don't use 8k50/60 the battery grip makes it more useable, I use mine a lot in 8k 50 RAW so I have the V-Mount battery with USB-PD mounted over the cage. Not great but the only other camera than can do 8k RAW 50/60 is the Nikon Z9 or REDs... 

But we are really off topic this should belong on the R5c thread and not the R6 II one.

23 hours ago, Davide DB said:

Do you have a small clip of the cheetah with AF?

R5c RF 100-500 handled, Center area AF (large) max speed and responsiveness, 4k 100 fps (conformed to 25fps), Log3, unedited just Canon LUT applied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1djr8LbBM

2 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Well the weakest part of the R5C is the fan, any particles can come through the vent, so the fan can be stuck with sand particles which can make it go screaming or grinding noise

I used in mine on snow, rain and Africa outside on a jeep in a very sandy  environment never had any issue.

The battery I fully agree is pita.