gt3rs

37 minutes ago, PPNS said:

I would still like to see the 2 forum members who were fairly dismissive towards my suggestion their video work or ideally their reels. I’ve seen some stills of Tom’s work and here and he is more than able to produce great images, so I think his opinion is definitely worth reading.

Are you serious, on top of dismissing people skills, dismissing what they want to capture, giving advices how people should spend their money, now you are even the judge to whom we should listen and whom not?
You seems fairly recent here, so I'm sorry if I missed your appointment to forum moderator 😁
 

9 hours ago, kye said:

What do you mean?  It looks flawless to me!!!  

😂😂😂

Doing it in post in Resolve looks like it might be a mature enough solution now, but I can't imagine that devices will be good enough to do it real-time for quite a few years.  I started a separate thread about this semi-recently:

https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/78618-motion-blur-in-post-looks-like-it-might-be-feasible-now/

 

Ok I'm convinced, in camera AI motion blur not usable... already in Resolve is a bit of a hit and miss but this example is really not good at all.

3 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

The comparison between a RODE wireless GO and the Pocket 4k makes little sense to me. 
 

This was a joke for @IronFilm as he normally never compromise on audio but tends to find the most economic options for cameras. And it make sense with his profession.

Btw the Swiss state TV, biggest view share in Switzerland, 1.7B USD yearly budget and yet they use tons of RODE GOs and not a single Pocket 4k... so for some professionals GO are good enough but this is a complete off topic.

On the 4/3 the only real force is Olympus, my bet is that Panny will slowly move away and focus on L mount same for BMD, DJI did it already, Insta360, Kando they don't offer any 4/3 anymore and the others are small players. Again only time will tell who is right and who is not.
Is GH6 really having the success of previous versions? I don't think so, the S line is more compelling now so how long they will keep it both?
The safest bet imo today for Camera mount is E mount (Sony) or RF mount (Canon & RED). You get from entry level to top of the line cameras.
The safest bet in lenses is still probably EF, but with the trend of relaying more on AF, adapting EF lenses to non Canon bodies is not always a perfect match. 
Another trend is all the focus breathing compensation, digital optical correction, etc.. that needs lens metadata and compatible profiles, for some will make photo lens more attractive for other is not an important point at all like the OP for example.
One good example is the FF RF 24-105 2.8 power zoom, parfocal thorough AF motors, there is not much in the same category in cine lens and they cost 10x... is not really an apple to apple but is an interesting trend to watch: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1729470-REG/fujinon_600022978_premista_28_100mm_t2_9_pl.html
 

As already suggested by a few of us the C500 II ticks many of your boxes, just keep in mind that the PL mount for C500 II is 1600$ as you plan to use PL lenses and that in a near future there will be a new model with RF mount that is more flexible as you can use adapters for various mounts. I bet it will be 8k FF but more expensive.

Another point is personally for landscape I'm not sure that entry level cinema lenses are better than top of the line photo lenses. 
 

Maybe is good to go back to square one and ask what are the important aspects for a camera for shooting landscape?

These are imo the ones that I would care the most:

DR

Sharpness

NDs

Slowmotion (60 fps maybe enough)

Lowlight, if doing time-lapses, night sky etc.

RAW if he wants to play a lot with WB in post

Battery life

Maybe transportability

And these is what I would care a bit less:

Shallow DoF

RS

AF

Audio

Gimbal compatibility

Form factor

EVF

TC port

@Jedi Master should do a similar list and prioritize the list. Then we can help in identify, considering his budget, what camera is covering these at best.

Then I agree with the suggestion that he should rent it first.

For me is more make sure that I buy only things that I 100% confident that I will constantly use or that are not available for rent if I need it just for one project. And more so if I don't use them enough resell them asap. 

My TCO of not super useful accessories seems bigger that the TCO of my cameras and lenses 

Looks interesting, curious to see the 8k 24fps quality once is available, the 2x zoom sensor crop seems kind of ok so I expect the 8k to be quite good for this type of camera.
Also curios to see how the "AI" motion blur works compared to do it manually in Resolve. 
From the first videos around low light it is still not great but much better than any other action cam on the market.

A pity that it seems to be missing 10bit log and user replaceable lens. I wish they would also offer an add-on even wider lens for POV like the MAX MOD 2, very useful for MTB, Ski and Snowboarding.
8k at 25fps would have been nice too as it is only 1 fps more so probably doable, maybe with firmware?.

As @eatstoomuchjam mentions insta360 studio and I also add the iOS App are the best from any action cam manufacturer and they continue to improve them.

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

- Only recording options are raw and H.264 - would be nice to have ProRes (or H.265, though maybe it has that and I missed it)
 

All recent C cameras including the C70, other than C200, have XF-AVC that is a really good 10bit codec with a good balance in size and quality. If I recall correctly is based on h264. Is imo a better capture codec than h265 10bit. The most common NLEs can edit XF-AVC natively.

55 minutes ago, PPNS said:

you are also doing that (and judging quite poorly imo). i can only find your stills which is why i’m asking for your reel of moving images.

 

i think spending more than 4000 on a camera is a bad decision for people who make money using cameras, so i think that decision is even worse for those who dont do it professionally.

 

Theres literally millions of things in life on which money could be better spent.

Wow now you are even a life coach..... 4000 for you maybe a lot of money for others maybe pocket money... but sayin that he cannot take advantage of a better camera I find it again rude and not called for.

23 minutes ago, PPNS said:

lets see your reel @gt3rs

Just search the forum I posted tons of frames over the last few years....
Btw you don't seems to get the point here: why you are judging others skills and needs? This post is the same you want to judge my skills and how arrogant it is. Did I ask yours? No
I'm just saying you seems arrogant in telling others what is enough for them. 

You guys imo are missing the point , he has the funds and maybe is instead of buying a good drees, smoking 2 packs of cigarettes per day, buy a very expensive car, and so on he wants to buy the best camera that it is in his budget and enjoy it. 

Now if you are saying that the pocket 4k has only 1/2 stop less DR, similar low light, similar functionality and is in the ball pack of a C70 ... then I call myself out of this discussion as then we can say iPhone 15 pro is also in the same ballpark.
Checks real measurements, is more than a stop just for DR! 
Why if I HAVE the money and I could buy a C70/C300 III get  12.8 (tested stops of DR vs 11.6 of the Pocket) and get a nice 4k 120 image settle for something less? It makes no sense. You need to make dept for this the it is a completely other story. 

Again can he achieve the goal with a pocket 4k? Yes.
Can he get a better image and better functionality like onboards NR with other camera that he CAN afford? Absolutely. So why settle to something less great if you have no problem to afford it.

If funny how people judge the skills and "wasting money" for others without knowing them.
I think is fairly rude for @PPNS to tell to someone that he is wasting his money and that for him a pocket 4k is already too much, do you guys know him? Did you guys saw his work and can you guys judge his potential learnings and growth?

On the 4/3 imo is a dead train. Only time will tell who is right.
But why should you use a more expensive FF or S35 cine lens on a smaller sensor. The other option buying 4/3 lenses and then you realize you want to move up to a better camera even within BMD and guess what there are no better cameras with a 4/3 sensor (debatable if the GH6 is). So there we go, what you saved up front you will need to invest in time and effort to resale and hope to get enough back to buy other mounts lenses.
Let's see in a few years who will still produce 4/3 cameras. Actually BMD released in 2023 fantastic cameras NOT with a 4/3 sensors and a couple of entry level studio cameras refresh with 4/3.... in a couple of years I'm ready to bet no more 4/3 from BMD... DJI did not release any 4/3 camera or drone recently, and insta360, Kandao don't sell any 4/3 cameras. 

@IronFilm telling people to buy pocket 4k in 2023 is like me telling people to buy RODE wireless GO (the original one) you will scream at me 🙂 

9 hours ago, PPNS said:

If this helps, you technically wouldn’t be using the full potential of the pocket 4k either, you would just be wasting less money.

Wow are you judging other's skills/craft just by reading their posts?

Just because he does it for hobby it does not mean that he cannot get the best out of his equipment. There are so many great work done by hobbyist and quite a few times better than "pro" that are just lazy and do the minimal work to get the job done...

Pocket 4k is really not a compelling camera in 2023 with so many other better choices. Why if you can easily afford would you pick a Pocket 4k instead of a C70? Again less DR (1.2 stops), no internal NDs, miserable battery life, 4/3 sensor, limited low light capability, and a mount that imo has zero future. 

Imo buying a pocket 4k now is more a waste of money than a C70.

3 hours ago, PPNS said:

i think anything more than a pocket 4k will be overkill for you

Why would somebody that seems to have the budget for a cinema camera + cine lenses settle for a 4/3 (imo dead mount), limited DR, poor battery life and no internal ND instead of a C70 / C300 III etc?
He wants to go with cinema lenses so the 4/3 is not the best choice for that. DR seems a factor to me for landscape and internal ND seems useful for that use case, he also wants to stay out very long so the battery is also an issue of the Pocket.

Could he get the job done with a Pocket 4k? Sure.
Is a good choice for him taking in to account that he seems to have the budget and he is passionate? I personally think a better setup would make sense. 

1 hour ago, Davide DB said:

Hi all,

Is it a R5C used here? A C70? O neither of the two?

ISO 12800

 

 

To me the camera on the ronin is a Sony and I would guess is A7s III

Seems a new Insta360 RS modular camera... 

14 hours ago, kye said:

 

This might be a good start for getting your head around colour management...  This is Cullen Kelly, possibly the most experienced colourist on YT, and this talk is a complete introduction (ie, it's not just a fragment) to the topic:

 

It is a bit slow pace for my test but it is a really good video explaining how color management in Resolve works. Thanks for sharing!

Still not sure why you are choosing between FX9 vs C300 II?

Full frame: FX9 vs C500 II vs RED V-Raptor 

or 

S35: FX6 vs C300 III (C70) vs RED Komodo X

RED and Canon have internal RAW. Sony not.

I bet Canon will update beginning of next year the C300 and/or the C500 to move to RF mount as the C70. They just released the cinema primes in RF and now the new RF 24-105 2.8 power zoom so the road is clear. 
RED already using RF mount. It may or may not a concern for you.

Sony is E mount so is all modern and good there.

I'm sure you would be happy with any of the camera above. But first you should ask yourself which look you like: super sharp high DR or more soft dreamy?
Also do you heavily color grade including big white balance changes etc. or your are looking more to a natural style.

A FF 8k/6k RAW camera with a photo lens will produce a sharper and provably a bit more HDR look than a S35 4k with a cinema lens....

9 hours ago, Jedi Master said:

I've taken another look at the Kinefinity MAVO Mark2 S35 camera since I learned they have a U.S.-based sales and service entity in Southern California.

I also learned that I was completely mistaken about ProRes support in DaVinci Resolve Studio. I was under the assumption that ProRes wasn't supported at all, but have learned that only ProRes RAW isn't supported. I've downloaded a bunch of ProRes footage shot on the Kinefinity and have noticed that it plays very smoothly in Resolve. Much better than typical H.264 footage and far far better than H.265 footage. No need for proxies at all.

If anyone knows of any Kinefinity horror stories, please let me know. For now, it's back on my short list.

On modern HW, Macs >=M1 and Intel >= Gen12 CPUs, h265 4:2:2 10bit is not an issue anymore. I can edit real-time 8k h265 10bit on Intel Gen13 CPU. I don't see a huge difference in speed h265 4k and 8k ALL-I vs IPB.

On modern HW no need for proxy especially in 4k timelines. I edit mostly 8k RAW on a high end gaming notebook no proxy needed.

For Resolve keys are:

- studio version

- Intel >= gen12 

- GPU with 8 GB RAM




 

6 hours ago, SRV1981 said:

Excellent logistics and detail! Thanks 🙏. What are you mostly shooting ? Paid work or hobby? YouTube or cinema output? And what’s your A Cam? Thanks 

50% video, 50% photo work almost all action related.

Paid, YT + social media + local TV, professional level:

Equestrian, Ice hockey, MTB, Trial bike, Ski & Snowboard alpine/freeride, motorsports GT & Rally.

Hobby:

Wildlife, Aviation, Family

A cam: R5c

B cam: R5

C cam: Insta360 1 inch, Insta360 RS and Insta360 GO, iPhone

My biggest usage for the iPhone is on top of my R5c especially when I’m using long lenses >=300mm to have a wider pov, for equestrian it is my standard setup. Or in places where a normal camera is too cumbersome e.g. some b-roll inside a cramped helicopter.

Btw I’m pretty sure that all the “YT guess iPhone 15 vs best camera in the market” they start with the best conditions for a phone, then grade what the iPhone can take and then have the more pro camera match it. The inverse would show a different story imo. Again, it is incredible the progress that iPhone had in the last years but still not comparable to a good camera. Imo it sits closer to a Gopro than a mirrorless camera. Super useful feature are the 3 focal lenses, good stabilization, log and you have it always with you.

2 minutes ago, Jedi Master said:

I don't like two things about the C70: its form-factor, and its built-in flip-out screen.

I understand, flip out screens are super valuable on gimbals but I get that is not something that you are using for your nature work.

FX9 or C500 II would be more comparable.

Still why not a C70 i think for a one man band is a better buy than a C300 III?

I got my iPhone 15 Pro Max (upgrade from 13 Pro Max) and some early observations:

Quality is good when in shooting good conditions but breaks quite quickly if you miss exposure, in low light, etc.

Log files can be graded easily and have no over-sharpening, can take some post processing but way less than R5c RAW files, the difference imo is night and day as it should be. The same for details compared to R5c is just worlds apart.

BMD does not allow you to use 2x lens, zooming 2x with the 24mm lens the quality is quite bad (very blotchy, full hd at max). I did not test yet with the apple camera and the 2x “cropped” lens to see if is better.

No Log + Cinematic in either Apple Camera or BMD

H265+Log is a good compromise size vs. Quality and you can record all fps internally.

120mm lens I find it a bit better quality than the 77mm of the 13, and a more useful focal range for what I normally cover.

I have BMD set to save to Files, then I connect a USB-C CFexpress or SSD and move the files in Files, is the quickest and easier method for PC users. Much better that the previous phone that was a nightmare to get the footage out from a PC.

Action button is useful as you can set to start or even start recording in the BMD.

Still need to get use to the BMD UI, with no hw button/wheels changing things rapidly is a bit of a pain for me.

Overall, with Log and the 120mm is big update and I will use it even more than my previous phone, especially as B or C cam.

Using it as a main camera is a big stretch and I think I will be mostly disappointed.

Frame grab 4k Log 120mm.

What cinema lens do you have or do you rent?

What mount and frame coverage are they?

18 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

This. The ability to shoot at such high frame rates without any rolling shutter is a huge deal for sports photographers. It's a genuine game changer for them. Read out speeds have gotten very good, yes, but it's just no match. 120fps, even for a short burst, is just a killer feature and I suspect almost every sports organization and team will be buying several for their production and social media teams. I know that people in the combat sports bubble I am in sure will be.

For some sports yes and for some others not especially if you lose light sensitivity.
Plus another issue is the base iso 250, for example for motorsport I may take a picture at ISO 50, 1/30, F18-F22 for panning and 5 sec later at 1/2000 for a frontal shot or an accident. No time for fiddling with NDs.... same for MTB, Cycling, Skiing etc...

2 hours ago, Al Dolega said:

Seems like pretty typical new-camera-release hyperbole to me. Full-time YouTubers have to play that game to stay afloat, doesn't bother me and is pretty easily ignored.

I am excited for global shutter to reach the mid- and low-price markets. I hope for that to happen relatively quickly, maybe five years. Seems like the savings from deleting the shutter assembly will be a good motivator for the companies to get the sensor tech scaled and affordable.

I guess it depends on if Sony lets that happen though, they may want to milk this cow as long as they can.

Nikon has ditched the mechanical shutter on Z9 and Z8 and they are not using GS….