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On 12/2/2016 at 2:27 AM, Papiskokuji said:

Hello guys !

After a few days using the rx100 v in the lovely city of Prague for a long weekend, I decided to keep this little camera. The overheating issue was non-existent there (of course it was freezing outside and I used the manual mode/single autofocus which seems to work better for better battery life and less overheating) and the footage you can shoot with is amazing. I'll try to post some soon. Once again the continuous autofocus is so snappy and convenient for that type of situations (grabing short shots on the fly).

My post is more of a request to Sony. I noticed that in 100/120fps mode, you don't have access to the autofocus settings (sensitivity, speed) and apparently the phase detection is disabled. It makes the autofocus in that mode sooooo slow ! Even slower than what you had with the mk IV in 25fps. No face detection, no nothing. It's very unfortunate I think. I hope Sony could fix it with a firmware update because the autofocus is so slow that it almost looks like a bug. The only thing that makes me think it's not, is the autofocus settings greyed out in that mode. I wanted to do slow mo/gimbal shots with my rx100 and I'll be limited to 60fps for now (the autofocus works in 50/60fps).

So please Sony, make this wonderful autofocus work with 120fps mode !

 

@Andrew Reid Hi mate, is the autofocus at 120fps of the RX100IV & RX100V really as bad as this forum member has described?

In your review of the RX100IV you mentioned "The great thing about 120fps is you can do a very quick AF lock onto a moving subject then hit record straight away". Thanks, Joel. 

7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

D750 in 1080/60p is sharper than the A7S in full frame 60p mode.

But APS-C mode A7S gives better 1080/60p than almost anything else for the money and you have way more choice of lenses on E-mount than Nikon F-mount.

Sadly no Speed Booster

Not sure what happened to the custom one on this forum.

So this is $999 used... anything cheaper?

Cheapest would be a used Panasonic G6... 1.3x crop with Speed Booster and Canon lenses, so nearly full frame.

Check out the quality of 1080/60p on the Fuji XT-20 though... and you can put a Nikon mount Speed Booster on it, but not Canon.

How about forgetting about 60p altogether and going for a nice 120p RX100 IV if it is slow-mo you're looking for?

Thanks @Andrew Reid your advice is appreciated  Most of what you and others had mentioned i'd already learnt from regularly reading your posts and forum members feedback from the forums over this last year or so, i've learnt so much in a short space of time and it's been invaluable really. Gonna stick with my plan, save up the pennies and run with the Sony A7s in crop mode and eventually get a speedbooster when the budget allows. 

6 hours ago, Orangenz said:

The title should be clear. It was pure click bait. 

Haha you are like the 'Annoying Orange' mate!  I'l be sure to be extra specific next time, keep the peace yeww

6 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I agree. Edited the title!

Thanks

16 hours ago, j_one said:

My recommendations, as others have already stated:

d750 - the body is dropping in price, keep an eye out for a deal. Full frame, super DR and color edge over a7s, but soft 1080p.

nx1 - jack up the bitrate with the hack, invest in Luca's speed booster, and keep that ISO as low as possible...you have a excellent 120p performer. Best 120p full frame for the price (maybe the only). Great color and sharpness, lackluster DR and strange highlight/black levels when grading if you ever miss your mark on exposure.

a7s - keep it in crop mode and speedboost. Best low light, great sharpness, DR and highlight roll off but, imo, terrible white balance and strange colors. Compression isn't the best either

a5100 - super cheap, speed boost it and it's quite comparable to the a7s, a tad bit softer, a bit less dr and a bit more macroblocking/artifacts but for the price...

 

And hear me out

Bmmcc - if you can live with near apsc crop instead of full frame, bmmcc speedboosted would probably yield the most beautiful results. But that's subjective, as I value color information a bit more than compressed 60p.

 

buy an rx100 iv as b cam for superior slow mo of any of the cams. Excellent sensor readout and result for a compressed image. 1 inch sensor though.

@j_one couldn't have said it better, bang on! I'm still gonna stick with the A7s and wait for a price drop. Cheers mate. 

6 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Let me respectfully suggest you're in a "forest for the trees" situation.

If you want super cheap, and are truly strapped for cash, then maybe step back and consider older LUMIX cameras, speedbooster, and a old fast manual prime lens for low-light situations.   I've shot numerous documentaries and projects with a variety of LUMIX M4/3 cams.  As far as I'm concerned, the 60p on these cameras is fine.  I really have an affinity for my GX7, for example.  An effective S35 sensor area is adequate.

I mean, we're talking about $500 to get all three pieces of gear; even less if you buy used.  No, they're not the best low-light cameras @60p, but do-able and that price is ridiculous considering what you can accomplish.

If you don't like the results it's not like you've invested a lot of cash.  With those cameras, buy used and then sell used and you won't lose any money regardless.

Ultimately it'll come down to your abilities with whatever gear is in hand.  Certainly don't assume you are going to solve the majority of various production problems just because you own a camera that's 2 stops faster than another one.  I mean, low-light-full-frame cameras are fun and all, (I do like them too) but work is work, your budget is tight, and cameras are only a small fraction of the whole process.

All that said: NX1 and X-T20 tick boxes what you want, just at a higher price.

Thanks @fuzzynormal great advice mate cheers. I agree the gear isn't always important, it's what you do with what you have. I really dig the LUMIX M4/3 cams, the GX7 is a beast of a little camera. I owned a G7 with speedbooster and it got some awesome results, achieved even better results with the G85, both cheap cams and clients have been really satisfied with the results. That said however the super 35mm look is perfect for commercial/corporate shoots but I want a full frame for weddings/fashion etc. 

I'm gonna wait it out and keep saving the pennies for an A7s, but plenty great suggestions from everyone so in the meantime I will keep an eye out for some used bargains for sure! Cheers mate

5 hours ago, mercer said:

Okay, this one doesn't fit your speedbooster to full frame criteria, but if I was on a budget and looking for good 60p I would just go with the Nikon D5500 or 5600. The 7200 offers zebras and metering with ai/ai-s lenses but the 60p has an added crop, so the D5500 or 5600 is probably a better fit. The Flat profile is amazing and APS-C 60p may hold you over until the A7Siii arrives. Another option would be a D500... 4K with a crop but 1080p 50/60p with APS-C and EIS. It seems to be a beast of a camera. 

Hey @mercer cheers mate will check these option out too 

4 hours ago, Geoff CB said:

Cheers @Parker I overlooked the Samsung NX cameras when first released as I was put off with editing H.265 files and never really sussed the specs of these cams out, but will definitely check them out. Thanks mate! 

57 minutes ago, Leon Wu said:

GH5? 4k 60p, downrez ro 1080p should be amazing

 

@Leon Wu I wish I had the cash to throw down on a GH5, footage looks killer so far! 

2 hours ago, mercer said:

A6500

Hey @mercer the previous A6300 1080p is soft, aliasing and rolling shutter arent great at all either. I see the A6300 as a great 4K and low light performer at a fraction of the price of the A7sii however it's HD is mediocre, not sure if the updated A6500 fixed these issues either... I will have to look into this. 

Either way the A6500 will cost about $1800-$2000 and i'd still need to buy a focal reducer. Too expensive.

Thanks everyone who has made suggestions but looks like original A7s is unbeaten in terms of HD image quality and price for a full frame camera. I'l wait for a price drop  

1 hour ago, andrgl said:

Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera.

Bonus points for them being Aussies too.

Cheers mate but the whole post is about finding an affordable full frame camera or APSC camera with focal reducer to achieve a full frame look.

11 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:

Buy a used D750

Hey Geoff, cheers for the suggestion, already considered, but a used D750 nearly costs as much as a new A7s here in Australia. Hoping to find something cheaper, closer to the $1000 price point if a camera even exists at this price... 

32 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

For some reason most of the 1080p output on DSLR's, Mirrorless FF cameras, even APSC that I have seen that have 4k on them seem to suck, no clue why, but 4k looks great down sampled to 1080p. So slow motion on them is not much to write home to mother about is what I am saying. Not many cameras in that sector have 4k slo mo over 30p.

Seems dedicated Camcorders are the only thing that has great 1080p with slo mo I like.

So used cameras like a Sony F3 or FS100,  older Panasonic camcorders, are my picks.

Agreed about the 1080p output. There's such good value even in the cheapest cam's like the Panasonic G7/G85 packed full of killer features with a beautiful 4K image, and once downscaled to 1080 look amazing... the menus, image stabilisation, focus peaking, ease of use, everything is unreal in these cams. Yet camera companies still can't produce an entry level camera with decent 1080 50/60p slow-mo at a reasonable price point despite most people delivering their content in 1080.

I do wonder how long will it take for full frame cameras to become affordable? I can't do camcorders mate, so might have to hang out for the next release of the A7s iii series and wait for the A7s to drop in price. Thanks

So talking Full Frame cameras only or APSC with focal reducer. Been on the lookout for sometime now for an affordable option but no luck.

- Full Frame (or APSC with focal reducer)

- Great 1080 50/60p slowmo

- Focus peaking

For my needs i've narrowed it down to the awesome and still very capable Sony A7s however it is still too expensive (over $2000 in Australia dollar currency). In my opinion at it's price point it produces one of the nicest 1080p images and still class leading in light gathering capabilities, the 1080 50/60p in full frame mode is a tad soft but still very good. In APSC mode the 1080 50/60p is even better, very clean, almost perfect!  

I'm not fussed at all over specific features like articulating screens, colour science, 4K, EVF, camera menus etc. I honestly couldn't care less about them things in a camera, i'm simply on the hunt for a camera that doesn't throw away vital information from its image when shooting at a higher frame rate like most cameras do. For the work I do I will be shooting 50p exclusively, rarely 25p. 

Is there anything affordable out there or on its way to the market?

18 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

BTW, Zhiyun has a smaller version coming up.

@Mattias Burling Hey mate any reason you sold yours? 

10 hours ago, Cinegain said:

Yeah. 11990 SEK ~ 1243,60 EUR. To me that's a little mad! I can buy a LX100 + LX15 for that kind of money! Don't know who told them it's a nice idea to bring out 1k+ premium compact cameras. I think that's a plausible market for versatile superzooms/bridgecameras (RX10-series)... or high-end single focal length premium compacts with large sensors... but with a pricetag like that... who do they think they are? Leica?

Price could be lower for sure mate however you have discounted one major feature... HFR. There isn't many cameras or any for that matter that can perform such high frame rates at this price. This camera obviously apeals to the compact camera market but it's not as if people are buying this camera and getting HFR as a bonus, this camera is for the HFR market, many shooters wanting HFR will happily pay this premium, especially with the increased shooting time now in the mark v.

As @Andrew Reid this camera shoots perfect 120fps with minimal rolling shutter and aliasing. And the the 240fps is very usable, nobody is buying this cam for the 480/960 it's rubbish, but the 120/240 are butter! 

For the price of a mark v in Australia which is roughly $1300-$1400 I can easily get 3 lumix G7's, however I will still be buying this cam as there is nothing out there that can do usable 240fps, downsampked 4K with no pixel binning and 24fps raw photos.... is this not astounding? I think this camera is a steal, other companies will finally jump on ship and this is going to raise the standard of HFR in cheap compacts and MFT's and push future pricing to be more competitive and affordable.

Panasonic also obviously have lots in the pipeline like the LX15, won't be long until 120fps will be standard for most of their cams. I'm glad sony pushed the limits with HFR in this market, and until Panasonic release an LXseries with 240fps Sony can have every single one of my hard earned pennies ?

Panasonic G7 + Metabones Speedbooster XL + Sigma 18-35 f1.8 EF + Canon 50mm f1.8 STM + Rokinon 12mm f2 MFT + Zhiyun Crane + Aputure AL-M9 video light.

Natural Picture Profile, Noise Reduction -5, Sharpness -3, Contrast -3, Saturation 0, Highlight -1, Shadow +1.

Hey @jonpais right on there, I'm hoping this won't be too big an issue with this Rokinon lens, it has great reviews, I guess only time will tell once I get out in the field and shoot some more with it against bright light. Cheers for the link to your blog mate. 

I planned to use my G7 and Metabones Speedbooster XL with the Tokina 11-16 f2.8 however I have found a cheaper and lighter lens combo that still allows me to achieve decent low light performance and won't place any long term stress on the gimbal motors with a heavy load! There is no doubt the Crane can handle these moderately heavy loads, but this is a killer little combo for a gimbal of this size or smaller.

The lens I ordered was the Rokinon/Samyang 12mm F2.0 lens MFT mount. I've found it well constructed, very lightweight at just 270g and has little to no distortion or chroma, also takes filters. The lens has decent reviews, and at $300usd (often less) and given its weight I much prefer it over the heavier and bulkier Panasonic 12-35 f2.8, Tokina 11-16 f2.8 or Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 lenses with a speedbooster.

There's a tiny bit of footage in this promotional video above that I shot in Sydney recently, most at night. This was the first and only time I have used the Crane, I didnt get a chance to balance the gimbal very well or calibrate it. The footage is noticeably not perfect but i'm super impressed on it's performance straight out of the box first use, i'm sure them little bumps in the footage will be smoothed out once I calibrate it and balance carefully next time. 

Cannot wait to fine tune this thing and get some heavy testing shooting some weddings next month, seems like it will be the perfect low light lens/gimbal combo for weddings. 

@Thpriest Hey mate I havent pushed the ISO past 1600, haven't needed to yet, I mostly shoot with the Metabones Speedbooster XL .64 and Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and that combo often keeps me at ISO 1600 or lower, 3200 rarely. Despite this, I occasionally have issues maintaining accurate exposure and colour with the G7 too, however I'm a pretty inexperienced videographer.

To light the dance floor and cake cutting I used a small Metz Mecalight 320 on a light stand, the G7 also falls apart if pushed past ISO 1600 in low light scenes like this. Definitely rather have a speedbooster and portable lighting solution than push this cam to ISO 3200. 

Cheers for the feedback mate ?

On 19/09/2016 at 8:44 AM, Hanriverprod said:

It's like pulling teeth to get these companies to say what the internal recording color depth is. Out of all the reviews, writeups, videos and product listings it's still not clear if 8bit 422 or 420. One of the most important features. 

Hey mate an example here by Panasonic...

@Hanriverprod Hey mate used the Rokinon/Samyang 35,50 & 85mm T1.5 prime lenses with Metabones Speedbooster XL 0.64x adaptor.

Natural Picture Profile

Noise Reduction -5

Sharpness -3

Contrast -3

Saturation 0

No colour grading or luts applied, picture straight out of camera. 

Some footage using the Panasonic G7 on a Corporate video shoot, first crack at the 'white background look'. It's pretty hard achieving a consistent white background look and getting skin tones right in camera, not as easy as I first thought it would be. I had no background in lighting a studio set let alone shooting video so it's not perfect, but with all the great knowledge and feedback from everyone on this forum I've learnt so much and managed to pull it off, stoked!

Loving the Panasonic G7, at sub $500 it's still killer value!

Hope to see more samples of peoples work on this forum, looking forward to seeing some G7 footage from Panasonic Ambassador @andy lee from his feature films when released. 

Here's another, using the same in-camera settings but different lenses this time.

NO COLOUR GRADING. My camera settings listed in the video description....

Cheers mate, yeah have noticed the clipping a little, not on all clips, it fairs pretty good for cheap cam. Stoked with the G7. 

Anyone have a favourite lens that performs as amazing as the Sigma 18-35 1.8ART for around the same budget or cheaper? Rented the Rokinon/Samyang 35/50/85 T1.5 primes and found their performance mediocre compared to this lens. Would love to get people's feedback, whether it be primes or zooms.... Sigma ART primes compared to the Samyang/Rokinon?

59 minutes ago, mercer said:

What in camera settings are you using?

NATURAL Picture Profile

Noise Reduction -5

Sharpness -3

Contrast -3

Saturation 0

Given its only 8BIT I wanted to retain as much colour information as possible so didn't touch the saturation and didn't shoot too flat.

5 minutes ago, mercer said:

This is gorgeous. Couple questions... What lens did you use? Do you edit, grade and deliver in 4K?

Thank You! Lenses used were the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC ART, Canon 70-200f/2.8L IS II USM and Metabones Speedbooster XL. Shot in 4K, downscaled to 1080p on a 1080p timeline in Premiere Pro.

1 hour ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

Yep! Cleaner in the blacks, better low light performance, no color artefacting, and a very slight reduction in crop factor (2.2 vs 2.3). I'll be buying one in the next two weeks to finally replace my GH3 as the compliment to my BMPCC.

I owned both the G7 & GH4 and recently managed to use both cams on a wedding shoot before selling the GH4, I saw no reason to keep it. The G7 wins, I'm talking picture quality not features, the GH4 has loads of great features and should not be discounted however, all depends on what type of media you shoot. Just get a G7 already if you are considering it, for $500 or less you can't go wrong, its dope. Would make a great B-cam to the A6300 or similiar. Here is the wedding I shot with both cams, all night footage at the very end shot with the g7, not the GH4 which suffers by 1 1/2 stops. 

On 2/18/2016 at 6:12 AM, kidzrevil said:

I used to shoot with the Panasonic GH4 and loved it. Only turn off was the amount of noise in the image but it was manageable. I read a rumor that there is yet another firmware update coming so the camera is back on my radar.

Does anyone have experience with the Metabones Speedbooster XL adapters ? If so do they live up to the hype ? I currently own zeiss milvus glass and would love to see how the speedbooster will add to the look of the lenses on the m43 body

The Metabones Speedbooster XL is dope! I shoot with the G7, the XL Canon mount and Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and the results are killer for what I need. Example...