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ML changes everything.
Unless you need 4K and HFR, you will struggle to get a more pleasing 1080p image than the 5DIII with raw

Yeah that is frustrating. I always wonder how irritated the hardware designers of iPhone feel when most people cover the case in a piece of rubber.

But will he have any of those..?
Find out after the break when we announce the results and the winner of the refrigerator!

Hey Everyone, 
Just wanted to thank you all for your thoughts and insights, and for taking the time to help me out. 
I think I managed to figure out something pretty good. The store is going to loan me an A7s for the job, on condition that I buy the 1DC when I get back. 
They were also able to knock 10% off the price, so I've got the low light / small files for this project, and a better image / more rugged camera for when I get back. (I normally have access to the a7s, too) so it all worked out pretty nicely. 
 
Thanks again, wish me luck. 
I'll let you know how I get on if I remember : ) 

I agree with Andrew's points. I've been thinking about writing about my experience of going from an A7s to 1DC and then back to the A7rii actually. It's been a slightly confusing but very illuminating journey in the development of my skills and tastes.
In my experience I'm yet to find a 'bulletproof' consistent workflow for s-log. It's maddeningly different depending on the light and color temperature. Having said that I haven't used S-log3, just S-log2.
If you're running and gunning then I'm not sure s-log is ever going to be easy.
But I am finding the Sony (with the right post work) to produce a more modern look, if that's what you're after. By modern I mean more on trend with adverts and music videos thesedays, but not necessarily a 'better' image per se.

Why don't you just stop? Why is it so important to you that you go through all this trouble when you know that people are different?
Why not just accept that users have different needs? Otherwise, why isn't Hollywood using the G7? Or skateboarders? Or fashion photographers?
You like the G7 for its 4K, detail and price. I don't.
I would rather shoot 720p or SD if it meant higher DR and better colors. The D750 has that but in HD. That's what's important to me. I could care less about 4K.

If I wanted the most digitally sharp image available I would get the NX1.
Here is a side by side. The D750 is cropped waaay more than the G7, and still the G7, has some sharpness in the closest leaves but it all turns to mush in the shadows. To me that is more important than the 4K.

 
But most of all you need to stop thinking me or someone else liking the D750  is the same as us saying that you cant like the G7. You need to grow up and accept that we can have different tastes and needs.
Do you go on at restaurants and tell people they are "wrong" for not ordering the same as you? No, because that would make you insane.
Guess what, this is the same thing.
You like the G7, fine, good for you, I can see why you do, have fun with it.
I didn't like it and sold it, good for me.
BTW, here is a 4K vs HD side by side.
IMO, if your just using it for youtube, why bother.
 

just buy a Helios 58mm f2 off ebay for £20 they are already de clicked with a smooth aperture and its a great lens to use on the canon, same with the 37mm Mir 2.8

The film made me look more deeply into the US Presidential Election this weekend and Bernie Sanders appears to be a possible end to the nightmare the hidden hand (Rothchilds, Rockafellas, Bill Gates, etc) behind government and ultimately controlling what happens.  Problem is he'll suddenly get a brain aneurysm or get shot by a maniac before he gets to make a change.  They'll make it happen.  Then another Bush or Clinton will get into power and keep the war machine rolling.  

you make the bmpcc sound used here, but have it listed as new on ebay. and for $100 more than you can buy it new... anywhere else. what's going on here?

So the phone hacking guys at xda often have "bounties" for various things, like rooting or unlocking a boot loader. That method I think could be very successful for us. We find an arbiter that we trust, maybe kidzrevil since he started the thread, and pool our money into something like venmo, so that people are actually committed. The bounty would be for something specific like "installable firmware that can increase bitrate to 150 Mbps and increase frame rate to 60fps at highest stable bitrate at 4k". People that want that feature pool their money into that. Once real money can be seen, we might see bigger interest from developers. Of course if everyone wanted we could make the bounty for more or less features... My vote would be to keep it pretty realistic at first.

Hi Friends.
I have made this spec ad with a Sony A7s, Gopro 4 and Lumix LX100. Hope you enjoy it. 
 

Sure,
Here is a test I made.

Crop factor is computed from the diagonal length, as opposed to the width or height. You can think of the diagonal as the diameter of the image circle. When comparing full frame 1080p compared to 4K crop (as with the 1DX II), we must use the diagonals of the imaging areas as opposed to the full sensor (since HD is 16:9 and the sensor is 3:2).
Since we know the full sensor/pixel size is 5472 x 3648, we can compute the following:
Full frame HD mode uses the full sensor width, so we need to compute the 16:9-based height from the width:
5472*9/16 = 3078 height. 5472/3078 = 1.78 = 16/9. The full frame diagonal is then:
sqrt(5472^2 + 3078^2) = 6278.29
DCI 4K cropped is:
sqrt(4096^2 + 2160^2) = 4630.64
Which makes the exact crop factor:
6278.29/4630.64 =1.3558
 

yes it has a touchscreen~! a camera with a touchscreen... what a time to be alive

That makes sense re: same as 1DC, however computing crop factor from the diagram and pixel count (using square pixels) on this page gives a crop factor of:
sqrt((5472^2)+(3648^2))/sqrt((4096^2)+(2160^2)) = 1.42. 1.3 could come from comparing 1080p's diagonal pixels (imaging area on sensor, not pixels per se).
Regardless of crop factor, it's not a big deal, the IQ is great.

mjpeg.... in 2016?!????
...REALLY????
like..... WHAT???!
i seriously thought that the 1dc would be the first and last canon body to shoot 4k mjpeg wth

Hopefully this leads to a nice price drop of the 1dc in the used market.

mjpeg.... in 2016?!????
...REALLY????
like..... WHAT???!
i seriously thought that the 1dc would be the first and last canon body to shoot 4k mjpeg wth

I am definitely in support of this. Including a donation, the man that hacked the NX300, he is doing some interesting things and may be our guy if we want to throw money at him:
http://***URL removed***/forums/post/57133589
If we can get 240 fps at a bitrate of 200... holy shit....
HDMI can output 480, 576, 720 and 1080 (no 2160) but there appears to be support for up to 240fps (at least as a value in a table).
Also, file names nx_cs.adj is definitely searched for on SD card (also alt.adj, nx_dev.adj, paf_adj_restore.adj, etc). Also, iperf is used for testing Wifi 
Regarding sensor modes (for video): FHD, Cinema, Video60, Video120, Video240, VideoHFull, VideoFull, ModeQHD, UD, UD_Crop1, UD_Crop2, 720P60
If UD is UHD there are at least three different crops, tecno will love this 
There seem to be 7 movie modes 0 - 6 (0:UHD/1:UHD_D/2:FHD/3:CINEMA/4:HD/5:VGA/6:QVGA) - can someone check if they are all present in menus? (**two** UHD + CINEMA - it that 4k?)
Frame rates go from 4fps to 240fps in many increments. Pixels can be read in 10, 12 and 14 bits.
There are a bunch of functions that (it looks like that to me) call directly HW functions of DRIMe5,
all prefixed with d5_ like d5_ep_3dlut_op_init (oh, yeah, there is code for loading custom LUTs), d5_ep_top_change_jpeg_moa_for_conti_cap, d5_ipc_set_dram_addr, etc.

Out of interest - what method did you use to convert to .dng? 
Was it from MLV or 'regular' raw file from the camera? I see some black stripes in there that could be adding to the moire effect - I've not experienced these artifacts at all since using the 'non-alpha' builds of any conversion software.
If using 5D2 for ML raw video:
Many people use a VAF-5D2 filter to eliminate aliasing on 5D2 when shooting raw (5D2's main weakness in shooting any video) - it's especially visible when seeing the clarity given with ML raw video. I've never had any aliasing issues on 5D3 unless shooting 50p - where it skips lines to get the readout from the sensor to a slow enough writing speed for the buffer to cope with...as long as you avoid contrasty vertical or horizontal lines however, it is often not a visible problem.
http://www.eoshd.com/2012/02/canon-5d-mark-ii-mosaic-engineering-vaf-5d2-anti-aliasing-filter-review/

I cannot sing the praise of 5D loud enough.
I was one of the first people to buy 5D2 and had it for 5 years with not a single issue until I moved onto 5D3. I have been using ML RAW for all my work for last 2-3 years and while it can crash, you simply restart the camera and keep on shooting. Lately I have been having issues with a one random corrupt pink looking DNG file but that might be 3rd party battery grip..
For my style of work the storage is not an issue - I bough 4x 128 GB cards which are enough for 3 hours of shooting - when I need more, I have DIT assistant to copy the files or do it myself. You can transfer MLV files into virtual DNG via MLVFS and then use Resolve to get your footage fairly quickly. I then keep ProRes master and delete MLV files. The only expense at the moment is buying 2TB external drive every couple of months (£80?).
 
I am still waiting for a camera that would actually be better than this and would not cost more than £5K.
 
I think these videos show the colour depth you can get with 5D pretty well:
 
 
 

I've got that book yes. Read it. 
I think it's got some good stuff in the book, however I feel Den is a little up his own arse. Even though he admits it, I find that type of personality hard to deal with. The other thing is that I think quite a chunk of the book is flawed. The marketing tips such as "free reports" just don't work for a lot of us. The book is also a sales pitch to employ Den as your coach, so I feel that it's not really a book that's helping the reader, it's more of an advert to sell further services. I liked it though, on the whole. 
The important thing I came away with is that quality of service and product is always No.1 - work on that and pricing becomes an afterthought. Although the video market is now fiercely and utterly competitive - if the service you offer is of exceptional quality, people will pay it. I've doubled my quotes since and it's gone pretty well. Not always, but mostly. 
One thing to take note is that I've seen Den's work and it's nothing special. The Sony A7 and FS launch films don't sell the cameras at all to me. He's obviously a great salesman, very knowledgable and delivers a solid, reliable client experience. 
I remember the day I left my day job to run a full-time production outfit. The job was tedious, made me very ill, and it was all rather pointless. I asked myself "Why am I wasting my time???" I ripped some paper out of my work jotter, gave in my notice and walked out. 
That said, I've had even more ill experiences doing production work, and this is because I've completely overworked myself until I become a complete cabbage. I love doing the job, and because of that love, sometimes it is too hard NOT to rest. You just HAVE to do the work! The dilemmas of health and business!

this is an interesting thread
i think theres a point to be made about the dichotomy between "suffering" for ones art... and just suffering lol
some say that suffering, in a word, informs your work and makes you more interesting as an artist, a storyteller, as a person. whether youve battled a deadly illness, transcended a life of crime and wretched drug addiction, or risen above abject poverty that you were born into, that story is interesting to people, and moreover gives you life experience which informs your work regardless of its literal subject matter
so...thats a benefit. a benefit of going through tremendous pain, perhaps the only tangible one that i can think of: through this suffering comes wisdom; a point of view you can share through your work. but this suffering doesnt have anything to do with practicing art per se
the other side of this discussion is "suffering" that comes literally from your art practice itself
the number of hours you work. under extreme stress. extreme pressure. many of us are familiar with it. hell, its a thing here in LA that PEOPLE LITERALLY DIE IN CAR ACCIDENTS ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM LACK OF SLEEP. THATS A THING NOW.
how does that inform your work? living that lifestyle? i dont really think it does. dont get me wrong, *I* am that person who respects your work ethic, your fighting spirit, who knows how underpaid and overworked the majority of us are. but putting your physical and mental health at risk, so youre under constant strain, impairs us creatively in the worst way, and may take actual years off of our lives. stress kills
hollywood will work us to death without concern and rape our dead bodies – from PAs to gaffers to vfx artists, we all know this. and theres this underlying unasked question, this rhetorical, "Well, if you want a normal job...[just get the fuck out of here then]" that is in my experience an ingrained part of every niche in the entertainment business. and although there are reasons for that, and a history behind it, if we dont stand up for ourselves we fall into the category of people dying on their way home in an accident caused by nothing more than fatigue. that is insane
on a personal note i just got over the flu – ive never been so sick in my adult life – and as soon as i started feeling better after a week of not eating or sleeping properly, running a fever, the MINUTE that i woke up with some appetite i IMMEDIATELY decided that im quitting my job. ITS BEEN MAKING ME SICK. I HAVE BEEN ILL FROM STRESS rendering my creative mind INCAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING. its a little ironic that it took a trip to urgent care for me to put immediate change into action. if only solving these problems was as easy as taking five days of antibiotics