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Yeah, this is kinda sad.
The D16 had a major influence on my decision to strive for higher DR and a more robust codec and color space.
Unfortunately, I couldn't afford the D16, so I went with the BMMCC, but I had hoped that in a few years time I could be shooting on my own shiny and new D16.
I imagine similar choices like mine eventually was too much for the small firm to compete. I wonder if an H8 version of their D16, at a price point similar to the pocket cam could have saved them?
Who knows.
On another note, has anyone used their software? It looks like a nice program... and I wonder if that will still be available?

Voigtlander 40mm with the A7r 2 FF mode.

All good! Happy to help anyone with tips if needed, just PM me.

Another lens test, this time with the Angenieux 15mm c-mount and the BMMCC...

Look like toys in the frame? No idea what that means. Recently did a test with all kinds of different lenses--native, speed boosted, vintage, modern--on both the G7 and BMPCC. All gave very different looks in regards to skintone, detail, contrast, 3D seperation, bokeh, and color. Where does this "toy" thing come into play, and what makes it a result of sensor size and not lens choice or camera processing or color grading? 

To your actual question, I have no problem dealing with crop factor as the price of great image quality. Micro Four Thirds lenses are good, cheap, and plentiful, and you can easily get an APS-C field of view of your full frame lenses with a simple $150 focal reducer. 

In terms of 4K? Like any tool, it depends on the project. Kind of a moot point if the studio/client asks for it; you need to have it. And I think we'd all rather have a badass high-DR awesome color RAW 1080p image than crummy compressed 4K. That's a silly argument because there's no possible way anyone could disagree. For broadcast and documentary, 1080p makes a lot of sense for file size reasons and delivery. But for high-end TV and narrative work, all else being equal, would I personally want 4K or 2K? Probably 2K for most things, as it's kinder to faces and I don't shoot a lot of wides. But it really depends on the project and your style. 

The biggest problem with 4K right now is delivery. We have the cameras, we have the displays, we have the content, but the pipes to get it there aren't up to snuff. 4K streaming is far too compressed at average American bitrates to beat a good 1080p Blu-Ray for quality. That Sony box that lets you download 4K digital copies works well and doesn't compromise quality, but you have to have all your movies downloaded far in advance and the library is very limited. They make 4K Blu-Rays now, but the library is small, they're expensive, and the players cost about $300. 

TLDR: There are more important IQ factors to consider first. It makes sense for certain projects, styles, and shots, but isn't quite there in terms of delivery yet.

The screenplay for this short film was written by an Artificial Intelligence neural network bot. The results are hilarious.
 
Not even screenwriters will be safe from the coming robot invasion.
PS. also the soundtrack is meaningless, the lyrics was generated by AI (although the music composed was done by humans, next step for the AI? No reason why it couldn't be):
 
Screenplay can be read here:
https://www.docdroid.net/lCZ2fPA/sunspring-final.pdf.html
 
I'd love to shoot an AI written screenplay myself! Maybe I could feed it horror film scripts instead of Sci-Fi?

Why suffer when you can have fun instead;) If you need 4K you can get a used bmpc which is going very cheap, or upscale 2.5k from the old blackmagic (nobody will tell the difference).

@Nikkor suggested to me a long time ago that I should get a pocket cam when I was struggling with grading/correcting 8bit footage. I wish I had listened to him sooner. Now that I have my BMMCC, the the robust files are something I couldn't even comprehend when using 8bit 4K. With that being said, I do think one can achieve great results with any 4K camera, I've seen it from a bunch of you guys, but I know I would rather have good solid 1080p than thin 4K.

Wait until you get to fuji 8, 17 and 35 then :D . If you do the measurements it's simply not possible to fit these lenses with no modification to the lens itself.
I know you can, I'm not saying it wont work, all I'm saying is it doesn't look proper and you can't then easily/quickly just unscrew it from the adapter and put it on another camera.

@Nikkor suggested to me a long time ago that I should get a pocket cam when I was struggling with grading/correcting 8bit footage. I wish I had listened to him sooner. Now that I have my BMMCC, the the robust files are something I couldn't even comprehend when using 8bit 4K. With that being said, I do think one can achieve great results with any 4K camera, I've seen it from a bunch of you guys, but I know I would rather have good solid 1080p than thin 4K.

Ill keep them both for a while and pick the best one out, will be getting the samsung today.
Unfortunately, all my friends are photography freaks, so the best I could get is an 5DMk2 Raw, which I might give a try and see if I can postpone this decision further..

@Nikkor suggested to me a long time ago that I should get a pocket cam when I was struggling with grading/correcting 8bit footage. I wish I had listened to him sooner. Now that I have my BMMCC, the the robust files are something I couldn't even comprehend when using 8bit 4K. With that being said, I do think one can achieve great results with any 4K camera, I've seen it from a bunch of you guys, but I know I would rather have good solid 1080p than thin 4K.

4K is not worth giving up a stellar 1080p image for at this point in time (imo).

8mm does for sure, but good luck finding one or modifying it. 9mm wont, it's 2/3 inch.

Thanks so much! 
I actually considered to use text to make it a fake credit sequence :D
Maybe I'll be able to use it for some future scifi movie

C mounts won't focus to infinity on the nx500... I know... I tried.  They are cool macro lenses on it though. 
I don't think there's a list on here for micro 4/3... Other than the c mount list for the BMPCC. Might be a good place to start. Or try Flickr. 

So true. I share the exact same opinion. the race for resolution is somehow a non-sense. For cinema most of the times we deliver in 2k dci standard (flat or scope). So 4k maybe it's good for reframing, digital pans and tilts, but not much more.  I rather  have a camera with good motion color science dynamic range, etc than this resolution race. 
 

BTW, from shooting Leicas the last months I can say I really dig the Voigtlander M lenses.
My favorite by far due the to the quality/€ is the 28mm f2.0 Ultron.

Gets you really broad and nice zones for zone focus with a pretty wide aperture and the focus is buttery smooth.
Not like the 15mm where everything from 0.7m to infinity is in focus at f4.5, but still.
Here is a sample, again using T-Max100.

Hanging Around Down Town by Mattias Burling, on Flickr

C mounts won't focus to infinity on the nx500... I know... I tried.  They are cool macro lenses on it though. 
I don't think there's a list on here for micro 4/3... Other than the c mount list for the BMPCC. Might be a good place to start. Or try Flickr. 

I wear glasses - if I want things smoothed out, I just take them off.
On a serious note, until TV is properly 1080p, I'm just going to stick with a HD TV - 720p upscaled to 1080p looks fine & Blu-Ray is about as sharp as I can handle. Also, 4K TVs are waaaaaay more expensive than HD TVs.
As far as filming things goes, BM Pocket produces one of the best images that I've seen/used for quite a long while (10yrs or so) - it's not about sharpness, never has been, never will be. Look at what most DPs say - they're trying to soften the image & that's for cinema, which you would've thought needed a bigger/better resolution for the bigger screen. So you can take your sharpness and.......
If you buy a 4K camera to re-frame & then downscale to 1080p - what a complete & utter waste of time. Learn to frame/film properly & appreciate the beauty of a great camera. I'd prefer to rent a proper 4K camera with a decent codec, instead of using something with a crippling 8-bit mess.

Fujinon 25mm...

Lens porn?

Fujinon 25mm...

Lens porn?

There's not much content shot with the BMMCC yet. There is tons of very black magic pocket footage however. The color it can produce is just on a different level.

Welcome Michael. Per your example, in 1080p video the crop factor would remain 2x, so your 14mm lens would be 28mm. In 4K, I believe it is a 2.1x or a 2.2x, so your 14mm would be around 30mm. However, I believe there may be a slight, additional crop when IBIS is used, but I am not a hundred percent sure about that.

Thank you for your post and reading 22 pages worth! The GX80 crop is 2.22. Your 14mm will become a 31mm in 4k. In 1080p, it'll a be 28mm.