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See page F-30 in the updated S1 user guide (English version here - https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/dscoi/DC-S1/E_/DC-S1_DVQP1872ZC_full_web_eng.pdf )

Not the for the 10 minute 4k 50/60p limit.
As a G9 owner I'm quite looking forward to the update - and yes, having waited for the G90 to arrive in the market a while back, it wasn't a hard choice to buy a G9 instead, the 4k 50/60 capability and top-notch IBIS is far more important to me than the extended record times of the G90...and I paid less for the G9 than I would have for a G90 ?.

Not the for the 10 minute 4k 50/60p limit.
As a G9 owner I'm quite looking forward to the update - and yes, having waited for the G90 to arrive in the market a while back, it wasn't a hard choice to buy a G9 instead, the 4k 50/60 capability and top-notch IBIS is far more important to me than the extended record times of the G90...and I paid less for the G9 than I would have for a G90 ?.

Since you obviously know exactly what's inside a typical Canon camera of this class, could you please explain what extra hardware is associated specifically with providing 24 fps frame rate video capture and encoding (that wouldn't also be used for 25p and 30p)?
P.S. I'm a very experienced electronics design engineer, so I can probably understand the technical detail you might provide...

Since you obviously know exactly what's inside a typical Canon camera of this class, could you please explain what extra hardware is associated specifically with providing 24 fps frame rate video capture and encoding (that wouldn't also be used for 25p and 30p)?
P.S. I'm a very experienced electronics design engineer, so I can probably understand the technical detail you might provide...

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They might announce a 'filmmaker' addon license key for $499 that includes 24p, all-i, c-log & 4k dpaf ?

That works ? (it seems to need a couple of cycles of handshake and connect button pressing though). Once it's connected, the camera LCD will occasionally say it's not connected to the app, but it carries on working OK i.e. accepting commands from the app.
Basically, on the G9 it looks like the 'mov' equivalents of the 'mp4' settings work, so you can have LPCM audio instead of AAC in the files. Also some high bitrate .mov versions of 1080p work e.g. 50 Mbps and 100 Mbps (but 72 Mbps locked up the camera - had to remove the battery...).
Tried various 10bit, cinema 4k and anamorphic 4k settings - mostly they are ignored when you send them (or they select an AVCHD mode). In one case it did record a file (and Mediainfo said it was 10 bit 4:2:2 AVC1) but the video was just black. So conclusion so far is that the G9 won't do 10 bit, c4k or a4k.

That works ? (it seems to need a couple of cycles of handshake and connect button pressing though). Once it's connected, the camera LCD will occasionally say it's not connected to the app, but it carries on working OK i.e. accepting commands from the app.
Basically, on the G9 it looks like the 'mov' equivalents of the 'mp4' settings work, so you can have LPCM audio instead of AAC in the files. Also some high bitrate .mov versions of 1080p work e.g. 50 Mbps and 100 Mbps (but 72 Mbps locked up the camera - had to remove the battery...).
Tried various 10bit, cinema 4k and anamorphic 4k settings - mostly they are ignored when you send them (or they select an AVCHD mode). In one case it did record a file (and Mediainfo said it was 10 bit 4:2:2 AVC1) but the video was just black. So conclusion so far is that the G9 won't do 10 bit, c4k or a4k.

And if the html version works, then I've done a new version of the app with the handshake and connect functions split up in case it is a timing issue.
Just delete the old one and install this.
 
LumixVideoFormats-2.apk

Yes - that didn't  appear to work either - but I haven't 'sanity checked' that with the GX80, so that might be finger-trouble on my part.
I'll try it again tonight and post the messages from the browser test.

No (it's a stills orientated camera, after all).
I own both the G80 and the G9 - compared to the G80 it has the 20M pixel sensor, better IBIS, no-extra-crop 4k at 24p/25p/30p/50p/60p, clean audio from the on-camera mics, really nice looking 1080p, a headphone socket, USB charging and dual SD card slots. It's also faster in operation. Only downsides are that it's larger and heavier, and (for me) the video record button is in a more awkward position - but I just programmed one of the front function buttons to do that instead, problem solved. One of the other front function buttons I use to control the 'IS lock' mode, which is just an amazing feature...
So yes, I think it's definitely worth the upgrade from the G80.

Don't forget there have been two firmware updates to the  H-FS14140 since those forum threads started - and the Lumix cameras since the GX8 have IBIS/Dual IS/EIS support as well.
(But I've no idea if the firmware updates have made any difference to the lens OIS performance when used on a non-IBIS camera)

Both of the 'F3.5-5.6' versions support both 'Dual I.S.' and 'Dual I.S.2' (with the latest firmware installed).
But only the G80/G81/G85/G9/G90/G91/G95/GH5 cameras support Dual I.S.2 - the GX8/GX80/GX85/GX9 don't (only Dual I.S.)
(Info from the official Panasonic lens/camera Dual I.S. compatibility list).

As an LX100 (Mk1) owner, I'd agree with that. It's a great camera for stills, and pretty good for video, but it's compromised in various ways to keep it small - the LCD is fixed (and non-touch), the LVF is small, it only uses part of the micro-4/3 sensor area (so it's not really a micro-4/3 camera), the power zoom can be jerky and difficult to set exactly, and the lens is a bit prone to flaring.
It's a great camera for its intended (enthusiast compact) market, and I like mine, but it's not a GH4 + 12-35mm F2.8 combo equivalent... These days I'd probably buy a GX80/85 + 12-32mm 'pancake' zoom kit instead, and put a (cheap, lightweight) 25mm F1.7 lens in the bag for really low-light situations.

I bought the G6 + 14-140mm kit (in the UK) some years ago - that lens was the F3.5-F5.6 Mk1 version i.e. the H-FS14140
As far as I'm aware, the main difference with the latest H-FSA14140 version is that it's dust/splash resistant, whereas the earlier versions are not.
Both the H-FS and the H-FSA versions are dual-IS/dual-IS2 compatible (see the compatibility list here - https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/dual_is.html ), so if you're not bothered about the dust/splash resistance, the H-FS version seems to be basically the same lens (and they turn up on the used market frequently).
As webrunner5 says, it's a really useful 'do anything' travel lens.

I bought the G6 + 14-140mm kit (in the UK) some years ago - that lens was the F3.5-F5.6 Mk1 version i.e. the H-FS14140
As far as I'm aware, the main difference with the latest H-FSA14140 version is that it's dust/splash resistant, whereas the earlier versions are not.
Both the H-FS and the H-FSA versions are dual-IS/dual-IS2 compatible (see the compatibility list here - https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/dual_is.html ), so if you're not bothered about the dust/splash resistance, the H-FS version seems to be basically the same lens (and they turn up on the used market frequently).
As webrunner5 says, it's a really useful 'do anything' travel lens.

Well, yes (with some more messing about with an attenuator cable), but you have to remember to turn it on and put it into record (or record pause) etc. - and the small handheld recorders I've used (not tried an H1 though) are generally bad for handling noise, so you also ideally need a shock mount for it.
The beauty of plugin-powered mics like the TM-2X is that you just turn the camera on and it's working - perfect for 'run and gun' style use, and it's got a shock mount built-in.
(P.S. I think the TM-2X sounds better in 'high sensitivity' mode - there is a low/high switch on it - so I use that mode and turn the recording level well down in the camera, but your mileage may vary, especially if you are in a very loud environment).

Well, yes (with some more messing about with an attenuator cable), but you have to remember to turn it on and put it into record (or record pause) etc. - and the small handheld recorders I've used (not tried an H1 though) are generally bad for handling noise, so you also ideally need a shock mount for it.
The beauty of plugin-powered mics like the TM-2X is that you just turn the camera on and it's working - perfect for 'run and gun' style use, and it's got a shock mount built-in.
(P.S. I think the TM-2X sounds better in 'high sensitivity' mode - there is a low/high switch on it - so I use that mode and turn the recording level well down in the camera, but your mileage may vary, especially if you are in a very loud environment).

I sometimes do the 'low budget' equivalent of that outdoors, by having the TM-2X mic on the camera and a Tascam DR-05 recorder alongside it (which has two omni-directional mic capsules to effectively record somewhat diffuse stereo). Then I mix and match between the two recordings at the editing stage.
Also, if you want some behind-the-mic sound 'surround sound', remember that a simple 90 degree crossed-pair cardioid capsule mic arrangement (like a lot of stereo mics are, including the TM-2X) provides some of that as anti-phase signal (subtract the Left/Right channels to extract it in post).

I sometimes do the 'low budget' equivalent of that outdoors, by having the TM-2X mic on the camera and a Tascam DR-05 recorder alongside it (which has two omni-directional mic capsules to effectively record somewhat diffuse stereo). Then I mix and match between the two recordings at the editing stage.
Also, if you want some behind-the-mic sound 'surround sound', remember that a simple 90 degree crossed-pair cardioid capsule mic arrangement (like a lot of stereo mics are, including the TM-2X) provides some of that as anti-phase signal (subtract the Left/Right channels to extract it in post).

I've used a Tascam TM-2X on several Pana G-series cameras and been very happy with it. Note it needs 'plug-in power' on the mic socket to work.
https://tascam.com/us/product/tm-2x/top
(the plastic extension arm is optional - I've never used it, the basic mic is relatively small)

So, let me get this straight...
A forum member (who contributes a lot to this place by the way) makes a cautionary post about having two separate failures of a camera model that many people on here may be looking to buy and the response is to criticise his work ?
Are you trying to suggest he broke these cameras by virtue of taking photographs that you don't particularly like ?
Have I got that right?
That both of these cameras self destructed on the grounds of taste?
Because if you are not suggesting that then you need to accept that your contribution to this particular thread is as irrelevant as it is mean spirited.
 

Jesus, what a petty and defensive responsive to someone being understandably wary of a brand after getting two duds in a row.

Not fair man..

Looking back I owe everyone a big thank-you for using the forum and taking an interest in the blog, it is amazing what it has turned into with so little effort on my part  I think this place must be the only website on the entire internet without adverts. Long may it continue like that.
Got a GX9 arriving tomorrow... about time I did a review of something cheap with the big shift to high-end stuff. Let me know what you'd like to see in the review of it.