BenEricson

Not sure. Wide DR on the C300 or C70 is rad. It's basically the neutral profile on a DSLR. It looks good enough to hand off to the client but also saves some data on the top and the bottom of the image. There's no crazy digital sharpness or noise reduction applied. That being said, the DGO sensor is only promised to perform better at native ISO. This is documented on the Canon site. I see what you're saying. I think the C70 would handle this better. The problem is that there's not any more DR in the highlights, so if you're trying to avoid clipping the window, you'll still be stuck with a noisy room unless you add more light. With the Alexa, you might be able to open up another stop or two, not only that the highlights would be so much softer even if they clipped. I think any of those cameras can create beautiful images. The C70 or C300 will just be less fuss and you'll probably have more fun operating the camera. I feel like I didn't mention this earlier... The battery life on the C70 is absolutely crazy. You can run that camera for around 5/6 hours of continuous recording with just one battery. I think the power draw is one half of the C300 Mkii and one quarter the draw of the C500 Mkii. These are little things that people don't really talk about but make a huge difference. Thanks! I definitely have. The sharpest images I could get were with the C70 is 4K in a 4K timeline with around 15 percent sharpness. There's just a level of sharpness that a camera like the Komodo can reach that any of the C series cameras in my experience do not reach. I'm going to agree with what you've said in the past though... The color grading and handling of the images in post will really determine the final quality. I would say that well shot C70 or C300 footage will be much better than 95 percent of the Komodo tests online. That being said, the same DP who did well with the C70 will likely do even better with a Komodo. That's just my personal observations. I own the C70. It was a great camera this year. I'm buying the Komodo in December and i'll be using those as my A and B cams for freelance jobs.

This is true. The noise issue in extreme situations on the C300 Mkii can be really bad. You can avoid by shooting at ISO 500 and avoid C-LOG 2 in those types of situations. You're right, the C500 Mkii is an incredible work horse camera. It's disappointing that there is no light weight 6k codec. My point was that the C300 Mk2 and the C70 are not worlds apart. In 95 percent of situations, they will look nearly identical. I was also disappointed that they removed a lot of the picture profiles in the C70. A lot of the baked in profiles that I had used in the past, (rarely,) have been removed. There is no Cinema EOS Original, no BT.709 in Clog2, they also removed the 12 bit 444 2k codec. Interesting enough, when I compared both cameras in the Wide DR codec, there was more noise on the C70 than the C300Mkii in ISOs over 1600. I kind of expected the opposite. https://vimeo.com/543915327/c8c6ad9ce9 I guess my main point was that the Komodo clearly has a significant leap in quality (to my eyes.) The C500ii, C70, and C300iii all kind of look similar. The main reason the C300ii is better ergonomically is the viewfinder, the natural weight of the camera, the full sized XLR ports, the connections being on the back rather than the side, the relocatable grip, the movable monitor. The C70 needs a cage and monitor to even get close. The lack of an EVF in the C70 really sucks tbh. Again, this all depends on what you're doing. If you're shooting with a gimbal, monopod, or locked off, the C70 is better. If you're shooting handheld run and gun with something like the 24-105, then the C300ii is likely better. The speed booster is awesome. There is vignetting when shooting wide open on some lenses. (this is related to the speed booster, not the lenses.) Yes, you can magnify during recording. Speaking of anamorphic. I did rent an Atlas 32mm over the summer. The aspect was pretty crazy because the lenses are 2x, but they did kind of remove the typical Canon look. Still kind of soft compared to the Komodo imo.

Komodo. Requires work arounds but the image is better than the 15k C500ii. Different cameras tho.

Pretty sure they’re doing fine! They also make a speed booster which makes the C70 exactly that. I own the C70. The “DGO” sensor is kind of over hyped. My image is very very close to the 6 year old C300 Mk2. Of course the C300 is a much better camera ergonomically. The best features are the improved AF, 160mbps 4K, false color, 4k 60p, smaller size. Everything else is very very similar. IMO all of the Canon images look really similar, for better or for worse. Id be surprised if anyone can truly tell the difference between this and the C70. The bright bright highlights (the sun,) always give it away. Red or Arri does better.

Have you used both? The 1DXii always seemed much sharper to me, but the C300ii has a smoother image. (Soft tho, even the 4K is soft.) Those 4K 1DXii files are beautiful. The files are huge, but the resolution crushes the C300 in 60p. That being said, the C300 Mk2 is one of my favorite cameras ever. So easy to use and always looks great.

Exactly. It’s the closest feeling to grading flat color negative film. It’s like paint. I agree with avoiding the menus. I use the pocket with manual lenses, hard stop NDs and a light meter. Throw a 4 stop on there and rate it at ASA50. Just use the LCD for framing and ignore it for judging exposure.

Looks nice, but this shot looks great on any nearly any camera system. You really start to notice the difference when the lighting is more dynamic. There are limits. I own the C70 and the details in the dark side of the face, light falling off, color gradients, etc, just don’t cut it. Yes, in most settings it looks really nice. Better for the high key look.

You can also say the same for locked off shots, especially with long lenses.

I hear ya. I love the original bmpcc. That being said, a sensor that is double the size and 1080p instead of 4K is not the same. Also, the pocket looks best with vintage glass or maybe a giant 18-35 with a speed booster. Like other have said above, they need less processing, not more. We don’t need fake depth of field, we need the option to remove noise reduction, skin processing, and HDR features. That being said, I obviously haven’t used the camera. I’m sure it’ll be fun. Just something I’ve noticed over the years. It’ll always still look like a phone, it just gets slightly better.

I’m very surprised they figured out how to regulate all of the heat being generated with 4K / ProRes. The large file sizes will also kind of force people to buy the 1TB versions. I’m hyped to try it, but I can’t stand portrait mode. It’s really nice in theory, but always looks funky and fake. I personally love phone footage because it feels candid and fun, fake depth of field may just feel processed and funky. Also, capturing huge ProRes with a tiny tiny sensor is hilarious.

You can put a “fast color correct” before the layer with LUT and drop the input highlight or shadows. This effectively does what you’re describing.

I believe it’s 2K only? But you’d get ProRes 422 HQ, rather than the lower bit rate internal. I have experienced buffer errors with the C70 and 120FPS. I’ve tried both the most expensive ProGrade and Sandisk cards... I’m not sure if the issue is heat, or the amount of files on the card. (I’ve experienced this when shooting 24fps and then moving to 120fps in the same structure.) I’ve had issues with both 1080 and 4k which is bizarre. Every other mode is perfect. That alone is a bit of a selling point for the C300 Mkiii. The media issue is problematic.

Rented this for the weekend. I am really enjoying this lens. I'll post some frames soon!

I'm weary of the internal IS, but it can work as well. It's good at removing minor shake if you're trying to get a locked off looking shot. I bet it would work great with a 18-35 Sigma. This dude used the internal IS for an entire mini doc. Pretty surprising that someone would have that much confidence in it. His quote below is pretty solid. http://www.danmccomb.com/covid-nurse-short-doc-tests-c500mkii-on-front-lines-of-the-pandemic/ "The C500mkii is the first professional digital cinema camera that Canon has made that features IS built right into the camera body. In testing, I found it works very well when you are trying to keep the camera still, but it’s less effective when you’re intentionally moving the camera. It does a great job smoothing out footage you want to keep steady, but a poor job of smoothing out footage you want to keep in motion."

CLOG3 / BT.709 can be nice though. You don't need a LUT and it is easily gradable by just adding contrast. You don't actually gain any information in the highlights, just way way down in the shadows.

I agree that weight is nice, but this camera does not have enough. I added a cage and monitor with a battery and it feels a bit better. I still think IS lenses are clutch. My C70 with the cage (no monitor) is only 10 ounces less than a stripped down C300 Mkii. Kind of interesting. The C70 is still a better gimbal camera and easier to pack around, but it's not exactly a light weight DSLR. The big bummer is the lack of EVF. You lose that point of contact. It was on purpose so people would be forced to buy a C300iii for a true documentary camera.

Same. I own both with the RAW Lite filters and barely use the bmmcc. I keep telling myself I will use it for weird POV angles and pick up shots but haven't yet. I'm trying to keep the 60p to a minimum so it has been sitting.

I would LOVE the bmmcc if it could steam wireless to my phone or if it had even a tiny reference screen. I often throw the OG pocket up on a tripod. Takes two seconds and looks good without much hassle. I wonder if they'll ever make a 4K version. The Go Pro itself doesn't even sell very well because the iPhone looks similar and often better because of the color processing and resolution on the new phones.

Haha this is wild.

Really clean work with the BMMCC. The P4K with nice lenses in that environment is also really nice. I just followed you on Vimeo. I've seen the "Calvas y Bellas_Trailer b" trailer when searching for BMMCC footage on Vimeo. I'm shooting a piece right now, mixing 16mm and the bmpcc. They match really well and I can use the same set of Kern lenses on both cameras. Have you ever shot 16mm? You can get a K3 for really cheap. Bolex prices kind of Sky Rocket unfortunately.

But does it look better than 1080p from an Alexa?

Damn, do you own stock in Canon and Sony? 😂 The only thing you left out is that they shot the season finale of house on the 5D.

You're right, but Alexa is WAY better than Canon. Once to you notice it, it's kind of a bummer.

See post above.

Canon claims 15 stops and the sun still renders out a disgusting clipped out BLOB if you shoot towards it. On film, it would be a tint pin point. Black Magic Pocket 6K same story. Immediately looks cheap when you point it towards a bright light source. I would like to believe they will figure out how to get more highlight detail, but I really doubt it.