Jonesy Jones

GH5 => 16mm Patina Recipe:
Reduce DR, esp. highlights. Nothing will be very bright Down-res to 720p or so, then perhaps scale back to 2K or 4K to add noise (via Nesting, etc.) Apply really chunky monochrome-ish organic noise (FilmConvert or 16mm film scans etc.). FilmConvert LUT for appropriate Kodak etc. film stock could also help (could then skip (1) & perhaps (2) above) https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/achieving-a-super-16mm-film-look-when-shooting-digitally/

Take your GH5 and take a picture of that image. Take the GH5 copy and the original into any tool which does shot matching. Perform the shot match operation. Test and tweak further to get both images to match as close as possible by eye. Save out the resulting 3D LUT. To generalize and automate this process, so the resulting LUT will work better in the general case, use machine learning to train a neural network to create an optimized LUT based on GH5 input and <target camera> output  

Such a pity for D16. As they said, it was hard to make a profit without increasing their margins & price. I would love to see a D16 v2 even with the same sensor but in my opinion it would be nice to have:
- removable battery
- EVF, either build it or detachable. 
- Some compressed codec with backed in LUT support. 
- Half the size (XLR inputs can be a detachable module, no crank , V90 SD card support)
- Half the price  
Maybe they could sell their rights to a Chinese company ...
Such a wonderful sensor, look at this color:
 

I haven't shot with the Ursa Mini Pro, but the footage I've seen from it and the projects I've worked on that were shot with it have looked really good. Like, really good. And people who own it love it.
I think the MX is cool and a real breakthrough, but I find Red's workflow demanding and it's OLD. The sensor itself is about a half generation behind the original C300 and to my eye the image isn't that much better... It's also really noisy under tungsten light, but everyone shoots daylight balanced these days anyway, or they tend to. But other cameras handle 3200K better. Red's current stuff is another story, of course, but so is the cost. The MX also needs a lot of light to look good.
While I agree with everyone who's suggesting that you either rent an Alexa or buy a dSLR instead, this is your hobby and the last thing you need is people telling you what you'll enjoy.  If you want to own the camera and shoot 4k, own the camera and shoot 4k.
 

I’ve been watching some C200 videos on Vimeo now that the camera has been out in the wild for a little while. So I figured I’d link to a few that look pretty good. Actually every one I’ve seen looks pretty good. Wish I had an extra 6 grand lying around. 
 
Here’s another with some lowlight footage...
 

This sounds like a really good understanding of it.
Yes, in particular the GH5 looks like it definitely adds in-camera noise reduction.  Gives it a plastic-y feeling to the midtones and highlights.  As if using neatvideo on the footage a little too agressively.
Interesting observation about motion blur and Blackmagic.
Also I found shooting 185 degree shutter on the ursa mini 4.6k makes the motion feel more like an alexa.
 

It would appear the primary factor in motion cadence would be the clock / sampling interval. If the sampling interval is perfect, e.g. each frame sampled at very close to 1s/23.976, that will have different a perception vs. a system with temporal jitter. It would seem film would have some temporal jitter, vs. a digital system would could be a lot more precise. The question is what 'looks better' and if temporal jitter is helpful, how would a digital camera implement it? (statistical sampling: average interval, variance, magnitude etc.). Likewise, if temporal jitter is pleasing, why aren't there post tools which specifically address this? (I've seen film effects which 'damage' footage, however nothing so far that subtly creates temporal jitter based on specific camera systems in the same way e.g. Film Convert works for color/grain).
With a precise motion pattern, cameras could be measured for temporal jitter / motion cadence (it would appear that cameras with genlocks could be jittered live).

In the same way cryptocurrency (bitcoin et al) provides a new means for energy exchange/currency, we need a non-government global identity/trust system. After the 143 million person Equifax breach, I received a phone call from my own phone number, stating it was from the phone company and there was a security issue, enter last 4 of social etc. I did nothing and the call hung up after 30s. Called phone company and they acknowledged that the phone network can be hacked and is not secure. So if the phone system can be hacked, calling 611 might not route your call to the actual phone company, and thus any information you provide may not be going to the phone company. HTTPS (AES encryption) is designed to provide a secure connection over the internet, however it's not 100% secure either (it's mostly secure, the likelihood at this point for exploits for most things is low). There's currently nothing like HTTPS for phone calls (or email that is standardized/widely used).
It's interesting that most people in this thread so far are using their real name (I'm using my initials with links in signature that can be followed to see my identity). I think there is value in real identities (Facebook tried to make this case, though it's understood that it's not a 'kind' system nor is google ('Do no evil' lol)). So it's understood that some people may wish to remain anonymous (as much as possible) when dealing with 'unkind' systems. However for a forum such as EOSHD and other friendly communities, perhaps it would be cool if there were 'game theory' -based reasons / rewards for people using their real identities as well as positive reinforcement for desired community behavior. Maybe a "Verified ID" badge or similar.
For email between trusted friends / colleagues, folks used to use PGP, however it doesn't appear to be widely used anymore. Seems like a great business opportunity for folks to tackle- a universally trusted crypto ID system that is pervasive and not owned or controlled by any government or corporation, similar to bitcoin for currency.
Rawlite OLPF- was curious what camera this was for... http://rawlite.com/
EDIT: 'Edgar' was hacked at the SEC: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-21/all-about-edgar-and-why-its-hack-shakes-the-sec-quicktake-q-a . This is a very big deal. The world could really use a new trust system...

GH5. That blown out plant looks bad but we flagged off the sun beam right after this.

I was pressed for time so I didn't get to do an A/B but here is a shot with the DDFX 2 on the Sigma Cine 50-100.
 

Hey Eric
It's amazing what you are doing. I'll make this post a sticky.
Cheers!

Great example above @BTM_Pix
@Jonesy Jones Maybe try 1 and 2. I prefer 2 for anything under 35mm. 1 does really well for 50mm and up.
I've got a shoot today where I can do a quick A/B on a subject.

Only on stills but I just did a quick shot for you using the Tiffen Digital Diffusion FX 2
Frame and crop without filter on left side and same with filter on right.
 

Sorry, I just meant as a way of appraising all of the filter effects and combinations before having to buy the physical versions  
Found the link to the software in the shop if anyone is interested in buying it online (they must have taken them off display)
https://www.cameraworld.co.uk/tiffen-dfx-v3.html

I have a set of FD lenses on my G7 and love them. kidzrevil has posted some gorgeous stuff shot with pre-Ai Nikon lenses + diffusion filters.

People are probably sick of me recommending this, but definitely check out Tiffen Digital Diffusion FX 2. It takes the edge off without blooming highllights like the Pro Mist filters.

Search this forum for a thread called Tiffen Ultra Contrast. 

Check these videos:
https://vimeo.com/kidzrevil
They're from a user of this forum Kidzrevil. He uses tiffen filters (black pro mists and black satins) on his G80 and the image looks great. Check the Lenses thread also, it has some examples of it. 
I think thats what youre looking for.

I use black pro mistand love it!

Tiffen used to do a piece of editing software/plug in that simulated all of their filters but its now discontinued.
I used to have a demo version of it and the annoying thing is that I saw it being sold off quite cheap (£50) at a camera store in London a few months ago and thought I'd pick a copy up but they didn't have any left.
Might be worth a scour on eBay for it as its sounds like exactly what you could do with to try different combos
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/845319-REG/Tiffen_DFXPCSV3_DFX_V3_PLUG_IN_FOR_PHOTO_SHOP_LIGTROOM_APERTURE.html

No worries, it's an opinion based on an average launch film. 
I can't remember what I said about the Ursa Mini 4.6 (a camera that has a brilliant image). I'd say now that it's slightly less organic than the original BM cams - but i think that's got something to do with the higher resolution making it look a bit more "real". 
Back to the EVA1 - I've always wanted Panasonic to bring this out. I'm sure it will be an awesome cam. I've very unscientifically analysed with my tired eyes that the launch film displays an in-between GH5 to Varicam interpolation / cadence / whatever it's called. Expected right? 

I often watch YouTube videos @360 rez.  I swear it looks better sometimes.
Isn't that the way these days?  Creators craft something pristine and guys like me at the end of the line blow it all up.
OTOH, I'd feel relieved to yell at certain manufacturing engineers.  You know the ones.  The dudes that enable frame interpolation as the default setting on their TV's. 
Oh, the irony.
As for the EVA, it's great.

Looks very much like neutral Varicam footage to me, with more noise though...

I think with a more cinematic than neutral colorgrading this would look fabulous.
Apart from one drone shot I don't see any crazy sharpening, so I assume it was done in post.
The 8 bit 4k60p still bothers me.

I started this thread as some might have missed it where I originally posted it, as the topic is not really for footage. So what do you all think? Any good? Is it "cinematic"? Color? Dynamic range? Noise?
 
 

HDR codec and HDR10 display will make a difference. Is the H.265 10bit?
4K 60fps on a phone proves heat can be managed in such a thin device, and that Canon with their shitty DSLRs have no excuses remaining.