tupp

On 11/1/2022 at 5:55 AM, Andrew Reid said:

Impressive strides?

😆

Cinemarting achieved first light from an 8K cinema camera in a relatively short time, and within ten months of that milestone they had self-contained, working prototypes.  Some would say that such accelerated steps ("strides") were remarkable ("impressive").

On 11/1/2022 at 8:05 AM, BTM_Pix said:

Impressive Strides sounds like the name of a shop in 1960s Carnaby Street where Austin Powers would go to buy his best kecks.

One can almost hear the echoes of snickering coming from a junior high school classroom.  Glad that we can all laugh at jokes that avoid personal digs.   Keep 'em coming!

Actually, I would say that "impressive strides" sounds less like an Austin Powers 1960's Carnaby Street shop and more like the extraordinary accomplishments from someone who creates wireless camera accessories and camera apps (in addition to those who create cinema cameras).

5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nobody is allowed an opinion if they haven't first developed, designed and marketed a cinema camera.

I guess we should all just shut up then

Apart from tupp?

Not sure how one could come to such a notion from my post.

I was responding to the latest episode in a long line of ridicule directed at a few intrepid individuals who took on the challenge of creating an 8K cinema camera -- and who actually achieved working prototypes.

It's one thing to criticize the indomitable, powerful giants such as Canon, Sony, Fuji, Blackmagic, etc., but it seems distasteful to pick on a couple of little guys with scarce resources making bold, impressive strides (regardless of their eccentricities).

On 10/25/2022 at 2:28 PM, tupp said:

Global shutter and S16 optics are significant to the look of the D16.

On 10/25/2022 at 5:47 PM, BenEricson said:

It really depends what people define the "film look" to be.

I was referring to the look of the D16 -- I wasn't referring to film emulation.

On 10/25/2022 at 5:47 PM, BenEricson said:

... it has the caked on color look due to the CCD sensor. There's also nice look noise and really nice baked in looks.

When's dessert?

Actually, "caked-on" color is a good way to describe the look from some CCD's (but not from all CCD's -- consider look of the striped CCD of the Pany-Genesis/Sony F35).

1 hour ago, Grimor said:

My vote is for Cinemartin 🤪

That's a real funny joke.

However, Cinemartin rapidly achieved working prototypes of a cinema camera.  They preceded the Octopus camera (still in development, but which is discussed with interest in this very thread) by demonstrating the use of a similar (but earlier) Ximea sensor module in a cinema camera.

What camera developments have you achieved?

Global shutter and S16 optics are significant to the look of the D16.

2 hours ago, Ty Harper said:

... should I calibrate each camera using their individual custom WB functions or by inputting the initial base temp I got via the Sekonic C-800?  ... And while I know the WB calibrations from each camera will be off from each other to some degree - I wonder whether using the base color temp of the C-800 will result in the cams being off by the least degrees.

I don't know which method is more "accurate"  in matching the cameras to the reading on your meter or in matching the cameras to each other.  I would guess that the difference is minor, but it would be interesting to see a comparison of  the two methods.

I know that merely using the custom white balance on each camera without a color meter will get a close enough color temp match, and it is quick, easy and consistent.  Either way, you will still be tweaking sliders (or clicking eyedroppers) in post to get the final correction.

By the way, it is generally a good idea to avoid mixing light sources of different colors on the same side of the subject, especially on a person's face.

Also, you might try leaving a slight difference between the color temperature of the exterior light and that of the interior lights.  I usually keep the interior key light neutral.  If a window is visible in frame and if only skylight is streaming through it, I tend to keep it around 1/4 CTB -1/2 CTB from neutral.  If direct sunlight is visible in the background, I sometimes keep it at neutral -1/4 CTO.

If you are doing a multi-camera shoot, first put the grey/white card and color chart together, lit by the dominant full-spectrum light source of the scene/event.  Flag other light sources from hitting card and chart.  To avoid glare, the light source should be at about 45 degrees (or less) to the plane formed by the card and chart.

Position all the cameras side-by-side as close as possible to each other, about 6-8 feet directly in front of the card and chart, and perform a custom white balance on each camera.

Then, record about five seconds of footage of the card and chart with each camera.

If the dominant light source of the scene/event is intentionally not full-spectrum, perform the above procedure using a separate full spectrum source with a color balance that is close to color of the dominant source of the event/scene.

If you are shooting at separate times/locations with each camera (not a multi-camera session), do the same procedure above at each time/location with the one camera.

Of course, if you are shooting raw, the white balance will not affect the captured image, but having a custom white balance should provide a decent starting point for your NLE and for color grading software.  The footage of the charts will help in more finely "dialing-in" the color correction in post.

... with a CCD sensor!:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-world-s-largest-camera-is-nearly-completefd

https://lsst.slac.stanford.edu/

On 8/9/2022 at 9:26 AM, tupp said:

I have done this before on a caged OG BMPCC simply with two, long, stainless steel, 1/4"-20 bolts and cable ties.  nothing would happen if you pulled on the cables.  We were able to keep the camera rigged in a bag with a monitor, external battery and lens attached.

On 8/9/2022 at 10:10 AM, FHDcrew said:

Can you send a picture?

Here you go:

4 hours ago, FHDcrew said:

My question is how to rig this so that my recorder can stay attached, and this clamp setup can stay attached without bending the HDMI port on my Z6, saying as the camera will be in my bag which can be jostled around at times.

There are countless ways to solve this problem.  The cables just need strain relief to the cage and the connectors need to be protected from flexing.

I have done this before on a caged OG BMPCC simply with two, long, stainless steel, 1/4"-20 bolts and cable ties.  nothing would happen if you pulled on the cables.  We were able to keep the camera rigged in a bag with a monitor, external battery and lens attached.

@BTM_Pix has made an excellent suggestion.  I can also envision a solution using the aforementioned 1/4"-20 bolts plus a couple of washers and a small dollup of PC-7 epoxy (or plumbers epoxy -- but you have to work fast!).

Considering the abusive way that he treats his cameras, it's good that he has more than one:

"DON'T DO IT!"

2 hours ago, hyalinejim said:

I'm a sucker for cheap wide angle and have found a nice contender for APSC and speedboosted M43

It looks good!  Thanks for the test!

I bought the Canon 10mm-18mm EF-S lens on the strength of this video by @ZEEK:

@ZEEK says that the lens works on full frame down to about 14mm, but he mainly uses it with a speedbooster on the EOSM.

I know that there are a lot of normal open source keyers, but in regards to AI keyers, I don't know what's available in open source other than what you have linked in this thread.

6 hours ago, androidlad said:

the "Smooth Skin Effect" is a blur effect only, it was added to GFX cameras a long time ago, it does not affect colour.

Blurring definitely affects color:

Note that there are none of the more saturated tones in the blurred version.

Likewise, lowering resolution (within the same bit depth) reduces color depth.

7 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Does it beat the handy Osmo Pocket series?

Camcorder, right? So, forget that cinematic mantra then

OP said that the cameras will be used in a "talk show" setting.

So, they will likely be on sticks and require a lens that can get fairly tight, with smooth zoom-in/zoom-outs.

Sounds like small camcorder with a decent rocker zoom and manual capability would be ideal.

Markus Pix recently touted the Sony CX405, but it would be smart to look at offerings from other brands:

Tell your friend to put all the cameras side-by-side before shooting, and then to white balance them simultaneously off of the same white/gray card.  Additionally, your friend should shoot a short clip of the white/gray card with each camera -- just in case!

44 minutes ago, FHDcrew said:

My concern however is privacy. The successor to this project, Robust Video Matting, has the following on its GitHub page: that it was developed at ByteDance Inc. I know this company owns TikTok and are known for storing user data on Chinese servers. My question is, is background matting v2 safe to use? I mean the developers seem like fine people, but the lead developer worked at ByteDance for a while, and just seeing that text I’m the GitHub description I guess got me a little worried. Should I be concerned?

Robust Video Matting appears to be open source, licensed under the GPL-3.0.

If that is so, there isn't too much to worry about -- the source code is open for all to scrutinize.

1 hour ago, Attila Bakos said:

Okay, for those who find this kind of stuff interesting, here is a comparison of Cr channels (with added contrast for easy visualisation) from the C70, X-T3, and X-H2s

Thanks for comparison!

The Fuji cameras definitely introduce a significant blotchiness that is not inherent in the Canon footage.

It would be interesting to see unaltered footage without the added contrast.  I wish that the Canon position/framing was aligned more closely with the Fujis.

Yet another Blackmagic Super35/APS-C camera with an EF mount...

7 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

Ok, guys. How do I set this thing up? I download two files: crop_rec_4k_mlv_snd_raw_only_2022May30.EOSM202 and Dannephoto-magic-lantern_jip_hop_git-fd976067652d. Ones is 1.7 and the other 67 MB.

Compiled ML builds are only around 2MB-3 MB.  It appears that one of those files is the git repository (possibly many MB).

To install ML on your EOSM, follow the instructions at 03:14 in this video by @ZEEK:

8 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

I read the FAQ but still confused. Should I just read it again or is there another instruction manual, outside the depths of the ML forum?

A lot of the ML documentation is way out of date.  It's best to find recent online tutorials and/or post questions at the ML forums.

8 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

Also, the files are date to the 30th of May. Where do I find older builds, esp the one from 22nd of April which zeek was recommending for 2.5, 2.8K recording, which @webrunner5 posted above?

I don't know where one can find the older builds.  Perhaps post the question on the ML forums?

10 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

... now that I got a lens adapter and played around a little bit. Liveview in photo mode is completely off on my camera. In video mode it shows right exposure on the monitor. In photo mode it was way too dark. How do I change that?

[snip]

I would like to give it a try without ML first. Liveview in video mode is correct in photomode it is way too dark.

It sounds like you are experiencing a known issue inherent in the first few models of the EOSM (and in some other Canon models) in which the exposure simulation feature is disabled in still photo mode, when manual lenses are mounted.

Without using Magic Lantern, there are two hardware hacks that will allow the LCD screen show a usable image (but that might not be accurate in regards to exposure):

1. Mount a smart lens (Canon or other brand) and open the aperture as wide/bright as it will go.  Then, swap out the smart lens with your manual lens.
2. Get a "preset aperture," lens chip (as shown in the below video) and touch it to the lens mount contacts of your EOSM (or to the contacts on your smart adapter), then mount the manual lens: 

It appears that the Magic Lantern "stable" build has an exposure simulation setting within the "Exposure" tab under the "LV Display" title.

I'm using a nightly build, and the exposure simulation setting is in a different place within the "Exposure" tab.  I can't get the exposure simulation setting to change from "Movie" mode.  Also, I can't get the ML menu to appear when the top dial on the EOSM is set to manual photo mode.

The ML menu does appear does appear when that dial is set to the green full-auto mode, and I see the Canon "Exp. Sim." symbol appear on the screen.  However, even in that mode, I still cannot change the exposure simulation setting in the ML menu.

Magic Lantern "stable" build also offers an "LV Display Gain" setting under the "Display" tab, that evidently  only appears or works in photo mode.  It's may not provide an accurate representation of exposure on the LCD screen, but it should allow framing and focusing.  One can then check the histogram on the recorded images to progressively dial-in the exposure.

Of course, one could use a light meter to more quickly arrive at the proper exposure.

By the way, a few days ago, @ZEEK released another super16-oriented video on using Soviet/Russian lenses on the EOSM:

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

Bridge was the answer!

Renaming the files was the solution (regardless of whether one uses Bridge or one of the other suggested methods).

You can use a simple command or script in the Windows command line ("Power Shell?").  There are several different commands/scripts that will instantaneously rename a batch of your files according to their timestamps.  Once you use a shell command/script two or three times, the command line gets fairly easy (although timestamps can require a lot of variables).

Of course, there are GUI apps that can mostly accomplish the same thing.  I don't use your OS, but a quick web search of Windows renamers that can work with timesta revealed Ant Renamer, which is open source.  Bulk Rename Utility also came up in the search.  There were other apps in the search results, as well.  I can't recommend either as I have never tried them, but I tout open source software for security and for cutting edge features.  There were other apps in the search results, as well.

Of course, for proper chronological sorting, the date and time should precede the shot number in the new file name.  It's probably a good idea to retain the original shot number in the name, just in case you need to reference it in the future.

It might also be wise to include the camera "letter" in the name, directly after the date.  So, you would start with with the Camera A files in one directory/folder and Camera B files, in another directory/folder, and then just batch rename the two directories separately, with their corresponding camera letter in the new names.

You could do a batch rename of your files according to their time/date stamp, so that the time/date is part of the file name.

Once you have the right script, it only takes a second to run.

On 6/7/2022 at 4:44 AM, Andrew Reid said:

So?

So that was the post to which I was responding.

On 6/7/2022 at 4:44 AM, Andrew Reid said:

It isn't relevant to the patent though.

I wasn't referring to the patent.

On 6/7/2022 at 4:44 AM, Andrew Reid said:

Have you even noticed that external recorders are allowed to do compressed RAW without violating the RED patent?

The patent only covers internal compressed RAW recording where the hardware is all integrated in-camera.

Having an off-board recorder makes the system outside the scope of the RED patent.

As someone who's name is on one or two patents, I would suggest that such arbitrary claims indicate that a clueless patent examiner possibly rejected/challenged some of the claims.

At the date the RED patent application was filed, there was absolutely no novelty nor innovation in specifying internal or external recording, so it was meaningless to do so (and even detrimental to RED), unless they were trying to appease an examiner who had no clue.

There is another reason that specific, arbitrary claims sometime appear in patents, but I don't think that is the case here.

I sense that the patent is weak, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be successfully defended.

On 6/7/2022 at 4:44 AM, Andrew Reid said:

Have you actually RED the RED patent?

I suggest you give it a RED!

Ha, ha!

I briefly scanned the claims of the patent that you linked earlier in the thread.  I might have to take another look at it.

5 hours ago, A_Urquhart said:

It's a Fly by wire lens isn't it?  If so, then no matter if it's in AF or MF motors 'could' make the adjustment even if it's in MF.

Saw the lens today at CineGear:

Didn't ask if it's parfocal or completely focus-by-wire, but the rocker-controlled motorized zoom and focus is cool.

On the other hand, It's doubtful that anyone will be hitting focus marks with the focus rocker switch.