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4K120p Full Frame 10 bits 422 with C-LOG and DPAF and IBIS, all in a Canon ergonomical package? 
 

For the past 3 years I have asked this repeatedly here on EOSHD, people laughing at me like it couldn’t happen as late as 2019. In fact, I asked those exact specs, but with 60p. Canon comes and does it with 120p. 
There always was an issue. We had no IBIS in Fuji, mini sensor on Panasonic, or bad ergonomics, or bad autofocus (S1). 

Now it comes in the most perfect possible way. Absolutely insane. Its crushing the competition so much that I don’t see Why anyone on earth wanting a mirror less for video and has the money for it would choose anything else

Thanks Canon. It was about time.

Now let’s get rid of those Sonys. 

Do you think there is any chance 4K60 will be with no crop? 
Cause I couldn’t care less about 8K, much more interested in 4k60p or better 4K120p.

8K will be nice to have in 3 years, I which point I’ll have another camera anyway. 

EOS Cinema is dead. Long live R5

On 2/18/2020 at 1:52 PM, Brian Williams said:

Are people not happy with the focusing system of the X-T3? Maybe not dual-pixel AF, but easily as good as Sony’s implementation on their cameras, no?

I wouldn’t hold my breathe on the R5 just yet, I know everyone is losing their shit over the potential of it (and rightly so if it turns out to be as good as it sounds) but never underestimate Canon’s ability to really screw things up, especially when something is suddenly leap-frogging all their current hardware; I’m interested to see what their version of 8K actually entails, or the quality of their IBIS. Or, at least, the price! Assuming that rumored €9999 price is wrong, but we’ll see. If correct, it shouldn’t be in the same conversation as a $1700 X-T4.

I used the XT3 and A7III side by side for 2 weeks, the Sony had much better AF, and the A7III is not that good. The new AF in the A7RIV is way better. 
So to answer your question, no, XT3 doesn’t have a great AF, people happy with it have never tried Canon DPAF or latest Sony AF.

Well it’s so so. Video specs are fine I mean 4K60p is great. 
But the same bad grip from the XT3 and probably the same AF has me not excited. I mean, hard to be after the R5 development announcement. 

4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

We were all expecting a lot more info than the one page press release that's for sure.

Seems Canon is keeping some stuff close to their chest to avoid Sony being able to outgun with A7S III.

And why the development announcement 6 months before the camera is launched - the answer is that they want to dampen sales of the Sony A7S III and Fuji X-T4 which are both now imminent.

There are signs there was also a bit of a waiting game at Sony. They wanted to see what Canon had planned before pushing the button on the A7S III.

I see the EOS R5 as a competitor not just to the A7S III but to the A7R IV and successor too.

Sony is in trouble here. They are going to see quite a few ex-Canon users leave and go back home.

It will depend on how invested they were in E-mount glass. If they all kept their EF lenses and used adapters, Sony are going to see a big fall off.

Panasonic need to raise to the game as well, get autofocus sorted out (and with the MC-21 not just their own lenses) as a matter of urgency.

I have 0 EF, fully invested in E mount but I could not care less about that. It takes 5min to put an ad online and sell lenses. 
 

If they have at least clean 4K60 10 bit no crop in that EOS R5, I am switching back to Canon. 

I created a EOS R5 topic that has 9 pages already, now we have two threads..

This is the real deal. right here.
Amazing body and ergonomics, with articulated screen, nice touch operations, nice menu, good grip, IBIS that works with IS, Canon DPAF, 45mpx, 8K, Canon colors.. 

I don’t event see one thing just one thing that’s left to Sony ?

if 4K120 (or even just 4K60p) is confirmed with a good 10 bit codec this is it. The dream come true..

Come on Canon get that thing shipping and take the camera world’s money. 

is Sony the new Canon, and Canon the new Sony? with the Underwhelming A9II, and this announcement, it seems it is. 

1 hour ago, eleison said:

yeah, sometimes when I hear wealthy people complain, I think to myself, "well, just quit and live on the interest".  But I think most time, everyone compares themselves to the guy just above him on the social ladder; the guy that makes 2M, compares and aspires to be the guy that makes 3M; the 3M guy wants to be the 4M guy, etc.  It's like a hamster wheel.

But than the cash/prizes get more tempting every rung of the ladder people climb, and the Sirens are too tempting for most.  Those that can resist, don't complain and they are living comfortable somewhere.

I agree. The only difference is that there is one point you reach where you do not need to ever work. Basically you can live decently with just the money you have on interest.

This is not possible if you have 50K in your savings account. Someone with 2M in his savings can get 80K per year for ever without touching the 2M base. 
So I agree, he probably wants 5M then 10 then 20, then 200. You never stop. But the difference is he WANTS that, he does not need it. Someone making 50K a year NEEDS to continue working. 

There is a huge difference in life when under pressure between wanting to and needing to. 
Those people should never complain, as they do not need to continue. They could live as well or better than most people on this forum without ever making a cent again from YouTube. 

But as I said in my first post, good for them. I like people succeed. A lot of them took a risk and it paid off. 
 

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The real challenge is longevity and to avoid being jaded by your own content and subjects, honestly that is a big challenge after a few years, as is burnout, because YouTube (and blogs) all have a relentless pace, it never ends and takes over your every waking thought.

If you make a normal salary yes. If you make 2M a year, considering this guy started in 2017, he can stop today. Put that money into a mix of index funds and with a withdrawal rate of 4% ($80K a year, a good salary) he can retire for ever then pass 2M to his descendants... 

Also someone said above do you have to make content super regularly. Not when you reach millions of subs. Casey Neistat posts sometimes 1 video a month, so he can take 100K home advertising a product, and channel is doing fine. 
 

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I personally know people with over 2 million subs and they're definitely not rich or anywhere close to being rich. 

There are a lot more variables at play. The type of content you make, who watches it, etc. plays a huge role. My friends that have hundreds of thousands of subscribers but deal with pro wrestling content don't get much at all since YouTube allowed advertisers more control over what videos they advertise on and most passed on advertising on wrestling related content. 

Yes, if you watch the above video he actually tells you how much people make per view for some categories. 
Any content with violence or bad words doesn’t get much. You just mentioned an extreme example. The majority, including the initial guy we talked about in the other thread who reviews camera make a lot per view. 
Also if your people with millions of sub make family friendly content, then you don’t know them well. Reminds me of that French youtuber having 10M sub and daring to say on his channel he takes home 500$ per month. A few days after he was bashed by the French YouTube community for being so insulting to his subs.

So a few weeks ago on the forum, a lot of people were wondering how some YouTube with hundreds of thousands of subs could afford to buy many cameras like C500 and so on. 
That’s when I realized people are completely clueless about YouTube revenue. As I said, any Youtuber in the world with 1M+ subs is a multi millionaire. Someone with 500K subs is already quit rich. 

That guy made 250K a year when he had 200K subs. He now made US$1.9M in 2019 with 1M subs. 
Time to stop being blind..

Sometimes I do not know how to think about it. It makes me feel similar to soccer players and so on with irrational amount of money. 
I am like, good for them you know. But when you think about it, the guy picking up trash in your street does a more useful job to the world than a guy telling jokes on YouTube. Yet one gets 15K a year, the other 100 times that. Just the world we live in I guess. 

Also about that video below, his channel is about personal finance. He his making money explaining you how much he makes thanks to you watching him explaining you how to make money

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

Knowing your posts almost as my own hands : P I can imagine the talk between you two... LOL ; )

You're a funny guy, miss to read them more often, as much as your shots BTW, dude, what have you done with all that power? : -)

Haha. Trying to hack EOSHD, but I need more ram. 

I am welcoming 8K. I don't need it, but I will never say we don't need it ever. 
If that camera could shoot 32K, well fine, as long as that's not the only mode of course cause I don't want my Mac to explode :). 

I remember a conversation with an IT guys years ago, I was getting a new PC and wanted 4GB of ram. He was laughing saying that 1GB was fine, and that never ever we would need 4GB of RAM on a computer, it was just physics and stuff. Yeah right, as I speak my system is using 30GB out of the 40 I have. Lol. 

So back to resolution. Right now my need is higher FPS 4K, not 8K. But a camera capable of 8K means the camera can handle a lot. If it can handle a lot, it probably can handle higher fps 4K, which is exactly the case in this rumor. So we are winning on all front. 

47 minutes ago, Jerome Chiu said:

8192x5462 yields 44, 744, 704 pixels, i.e. very close to the rumoured 45mp of the R5. If so, then that means a 2.13x crop for 4K DCI, pixel-to-pixel. If I have to guess, I'd go for it having a very short burst for 4K 120P, like 2 seconds.

I'm more interested to learn whether it does 2K 240P, even if it'd likely yield a crop up to 4.26x for it with a burst of 1 second. Chance to put S16 lenses to good use! 

One second lol that’s hard to work with. 4 seconds would be nice. 2K240p for 4 seconds would be amazing. 

On 1/31/2020 at 5:25 PM, abehalpert said:

I'm betting that 4k120p will be cropped to half the sensor width. (But of course we can speed-boost it.)

And 4k60p will be 3/4 sensor width and/or pixel binned full-frame.

I think the R6 may be more useful to me than the R5 if it pans out to be similar to a mirrorless 1DXmk3 and has better low-light and DR performance. But the 1Dxmk3 has relatively limited codec options, which make it less versatile than a real video camera.

That being said, 4k120p would be a great feature to offer in any package. Although I bet that general slow motion applications don't need more than 60p...

I don’t agree. I would like 240 or 580 4K. 
Of course due to technology my today’s expectation is 4K60. But I would love to see that 4K120 become true. 
It really allows for some creative stuff. 

15 minutes ago, androidlad said:

The inclusion of this in the specs is a strong indicator of BS.

7-8 stops of stablisation would defy physics.

Read the article first. He said only the specs in bold were confirmed which is not the case of the 7-8 stops. 
 

Also, @crevice, yes codecs and crops remain to be seen, but considering what they have done on the 1DX, and considering 8K and 4K120 that shows it will rock in videos I find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t put at least 10 bit codec. I don’t care about RAW. And in fact a good h265 8bit would be fine when you consider 4K120, that’s just insane. 
 

Now, if I was not clear enough in first comment for sure I am not confident in those specs. Definitely sounds too good to be true. Also how could it beat the 1DX which has bigger body and for sure bigger price is a question. 
But as I said we are allowed to dream..

Well, ladies and gentlemen are we in the most exciting year since a decade for video gear? If this is true then yes. Canon rumors is usually reliable unlike Sony Alpha Rumors that is pure BS. Especially when rated CR3. So here you have it.

Canon EOS R5 for photo + in february

45mpx / IBIS / 8k30p and 4k120p / canon DPAF. Comes with Canon colors and menus that we know.  My dream camera and then more... the one I have been wishing for since many years on EOSHD. The one that could take me back to Canon. 

Also if true, Sony is dead. Canon took a massive hit with Sony being far better than their products since the A7III. They saw a massive number of people like me jump boat, even if massively invested in their system. They released in rush and too late an absolutely shitty EOS R, with laughable video specs, mediocre stills performance (FPS, dynamic range...), no IBIS and early gen mistakes. They should be dying now or soon. Yet before dying it seems they are giving all they can now to make a turn. We can clearly see that with the 1DX3, and HOPEFULLY we will see that with that thing. 
Why R5? Is it to rule the Sony RIV? :).

Anyway Specs sound unreal... so brace yourself. But dreaming is free.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-specifications/

2 hours ago, chadandreo said:

I think this is the first time anyone has said the Fuji IQ is laughable, especially when it comes to color science. Maybe you need to tweak your settings or picture profile?

 

I precisely said the stills, which we shot RAW so no picture profile to talk about. IQ wise video was great (I actually used the recommandations from this forum in a post I created prior to the trip and that was great).  

I edited hundreds of stills from both cameras, since we shot with a friend and myself. Many times we got "duplicates" like similar photos of a sunset for example taken with both the A7III and the XT3. And I confirm the A7III shots were much superior both in Dynamic range and noise control. It's just what I see on my screen. 

 

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

LX100 II was a bit disappointing for video wasn't it... Definitely needs a proper update next time

I can see some Sony users moving back to a GH6 with 6K and Phase-detect AF... would be a very big deal, if A7S III disappoints.

Also a smaller version of S1, not so heavy, better AF.

I agree, LX100 was disappointing. 
For sure a GH6 with proper AF would be killer, so would be a smaller S1 with better AF. Panasonic makes great video cameras, their main flaw right now is AF across the line. 
 

11 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I partially agree but this is why I liked the X-H1. Good battery life, big grip, good AF and exceptional IBIS.

If Fuji can successfully marry the two together, they have a major winner

AF needs to be a bit more bullet proof but it's still pretty good... depending on the lens. Some of the X lenses use whirry old focus motors and heavy moving front element.

Definitely my experience was based on XT3 and not XH line or future XT4. For sure if it really has better battery life, grip and so on it could be a great package.

I guess I just made a focus on a few aspects during the 2 weeks of travel but they frustrated me very much and had a better experience on the Sony. now reviewing the footage I have more keeper on the Sony due to AF, IBIS and not missing key moments with battery issues. 
 

Also I have to be honest, now I want to stick to FF. There used to be a time Where you could only find good video specs at a good price and good form factor with M43 sensor size, or APSC, but 2020 should finally bring us all of this into a nice FF package and with a very decent weight and size unlike old FF DSLRs. 
Between an XH like body and an EOS R like body, there isn’t much difference. Some savings on weight with glasses... but FF rules it for me (and for stills also mostly). 
I am not even mentioning marvels like the sigma FP that almost competes with M43 sizing. 

Having GH5 video specs in an LX100 form factor would be great and have a real advantage and I could see myself using that in combinaison with a FF system. At least there is a lot of difference between the 2.

I have used during two weeks of shooting in a recent Asia trip the XT3 and Sony A7III. 

The XT3 was a massive disappointment. 
I had to use 4 batteries in a day where I used 1 for the Sony. The grip was awful. The AF was much worst than I anticipated.  The lack of IBIS ruined some footages and the stills we took at the same time same place are laughable versus the Sony.

I am much more interested to see what the A7SIII and Canon bring at this point 

21 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Would definitely be nice to have more assignable buttons. The 4-way d-pad and AEL button, perhaps also Tone and Colour are not programmable at the moment... Well, the AEL button is but only AE related stuff and focus magnification, that's it.

I'd like also to be able to assign shutter button to take stills in Cine mode, and in stills mode assign video mode button to something else entirely.

The SL2 also has a lack of func. buttons but gets around it with a very clever menu system and User profiles. I can flick through my user profiles for different video modes and LOG at a single touch of a button and wheel of a dial.

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I am thinking of making a Review template on EOSHD so I can give an at-a-glance summary of a camera, and a review sections drop down box like DPReview reviews. Open to suggestions. The colour-coded summary table could cover as an example:

Max resolution, max frame rate, sensor size (i.e. 4K/60p, FF)
Max bitrate, codec options (ALL-I, Long GOP, 400Mbit)
Max bit-depth (10bit)
RAW video (Yes, external)
Media type (SD)
Low light cam? ISO 6400 maximum usable
Rolling shutter: Lower than average, average, higher than average
Autofocus: Phase-detect in video mode
AF reliable?: Yes
IBIS: Yes
Menus: Bad / average / good
Battery: Bad / average / good
Build: Bad / average / good
Character and "feel": Generic / OK / Special
Colour science / skintones: Bad, modifiable to good / average / good / Alexa style good
LOG: Yes/no
View Assist: Yes/no
LUT preview: Yes/no
Rec. limit: 29 min
EVF: Yes / no
 

And so on...

Would be good to have a database of cameras too, in future.

1. I would recommend having the same scale for any criteria. Either 1 to 3 stars, or 1 to 5 stars, or bad/average/good/great so there is consistency. Right now you have 1 scale for AF (Yes/No), 1 scale for menus (bad average good), 1 scale for colour, etc. 
AF reliable yes/no is pretty vague. Clearly having 4 or 5 scale would be better. 

2.  I would recommend separate the specs category (Max resolution, bitrate,...) with the "review/appreciation" category, maybe into 2 different paragraphs in your review of the camera. 
That way we clearly identify facts/specs and your review/appreciation/ 

3. I would add other criteria, such as "Body ergonomics" and other specs such as ND filter / sensor (APSC,FF,...) 

Overall, it's an excellent idea. If you can do that for all the most recent cameras to start a database that would be a great and valuable addition to the website for sure. 

6 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

You saw a lot more than me!

Superb shooting. Were the drone shots the Leica SL as well?

Drone shots I would bet DJI Phantom or equivalent. 

Canon rumors just released a CR2 rumor that Canon EOS R competing A7S line will come this May.

Let’s be clear, if Canon releases an EOS R with same video specs as the 1DX (maybe at least 10 bit 4K60, not raw) with IBIS and enabled DPAF, and Sony releases an A7S3 with no better specs, I am selling all my Sony gear and move back to Canon. 
A few clowns here liked to say I am a Sony fan, I couldn’t care less about Sony or any camera manufacturer. I am buying the gear I need wherever it comes from. If H&M releases the camera I need tomorrow I would buy it. 

First company to offer 4K60p 10 bit with IBIS and Canon DPAF or Sony-like AF in a small mirrorless body gets my money. If both Sony and Canon do it this year the same, I go to Canon because at same spec level I would rather have better menus/ergo. But it’s hard to believe Canon won’t fuck up again (they did not with the 1DX but only because it’s $6.5K and very big body with easy heat management). 
Oh and Tamron better releases 17-28 on the Canon bodies, cause who wants to pay 3 times the price for a twice the weight 15-35mm? Not me. 

Credit card is ready anyway. 

If the A7SIV is 4K60p crop only that's a fail. 
Sony top management said last year "The A7S III will come late because we want to exceed people expectations. People expect 4K60p. 4K60P is easy, we want to exceed that". 

So either that chart is complete BS, either Sony couldn't possibly achieve 4K60 FF in such a small body with IBIS and that would be very disappointing. They would have no excuse not to put a great 10 bit codec in that case at least. 

22 hours ago, Zach Goodwin2 said:

To me, the idea of Youtube paying for you with ad revenue is a myth. Pewdiepie who has millions of subscribers I would say would just have enough to pay for his rent and bills, because of youtube, and he's not like super rich with his own mansion or private condo.

Hahaha. I must say you are on your way for the top 2020 clueless comment on any internet forum.

That guy has a net worth over $US20 million, and multiple properties you and I could only dream of under his name. In fact, that reported net worth is probably much much less than it’s actual. 
Wake up to the real world buddy. 

As for Potato Jet absolute BS income video, he his doing like 90% of the YouTubers. We have a French Youtuber, very popular with 7M subscribers. One of his video was how much I make? He basically talked BS during 10min, and the only numbers he gave was « as a Youtuber you never know how your month is gonna be made of, sometimes you can make $5000 a month and sometimes $500 ». 
Another French Youtuber, with similar sub made a video a few days basically saying I am sorry but you cant fool people like that, that’s the $ you make PER video and just with ads, not counting brand deal. The first guy in question is a YouTube millionaire. 
I am giving this as an example, but it’s super common for some reason for all influencers to completely under talk, lie on those aspects. My theory is that if you actually talk money and are transparent with the shit loads of money you make, your followers will be a bit disgusted/jealous and less trustful with your ads. 

As I said, I have first hand info from good friends, while they do not have millions of subs, only 100K+, they already make a good living with just that. 
There is no debate to have here. Potato thing makes great money with YouTube and good for him. He fools people about it (including his wife fake comments about paying the house) so we can cry for him and be more susceptible to click his affiliate links and stuff, but that’s what they all do. 
Anyone thinking it’s not the case is unfortunately fooling himself. 

People here don’t realize.
 

I have friends with 100K followers on IG getting paid thousands of dollars for a few stories and a post with product placement. Just from IG they can make good living. We are talking 100K/y. It’s just a matter of having the right brand deals often.

Youtubers with millions of subs are all multi millionaires. They make good already money with views, but product advertised in the videos are what get the most cash.

Casey said himself he once got a $200K deal for one video showing a product, the biggest deal he got, but it shows. As he explains in that poadcast, some companies pay big money to have an Ad on TV that nobody watches and everybody is feeling negative about tv ad. Influencers are trusted by they followers, and they are followers because they share the same day interest. The power of an ad with an influencer that goes to 10M subs is beyond measure so they don’t hesitate to pay dozens/hundreds of thousands.

Generally money topic is avoided as a youtuber, but a few of them used that as a point and openly talked about money, with proof including live video of Google Ads account. Pretending to be open and transparent unlike other youtubers, but doing this to get attention of course. Regardless, shit loads of money. 
 

If your follower count is in the millions as youtuber  and you are not a millionaire, you either completely suck or hit that number five days ago.

As for the guy in the OP video clearly he did not reach that level yet, but with 500K subs for sure he can afford those few MacBooks and cameras. Some of the equipment might be given free of charge and with big $ bonus, as an ad. 
And I didn’t mention affiliate links as well. 
Those few cameras are peanuts.