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    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    13 hours ago, mercer said:

    Competition? The FS5 has it. The Ursa Pro has it. Without it, what benefit is there to get the Panasonic? And unless the camera is going to shoot 12 bit 4K at high frame rates, what would be the benefit of paying $4500 more for this camera when you can get a GH5?

    Blackmagic Design is a bit of an oddball here in terms of what they offer. So you can't expect Panasonic to give them much thought in terms of competition, they probably think of BMD as even less competition than JVC is?!?! (Which would be wrong to do so. But it would not surprise me if that is the way Panasonic thinks about it)

    Panasonic will regard Canon and Sony as their main competition to beat.

    Of course they'll beat Canon in terms of value for money, that shouldn't be hard to do! (Only thing Canon has got going for them is their "colors", & autofocus. Panasonic should be able to beat/meet one of those, and if we're very lucky they'll manage both.)

    And Panasonic will "beat" (in their minds at least) Sony in features for your buck.

    That doesn't however mean it will be better than the FS5 in terms of EVERY spec point! So yeah, zero surprise here if Panasonic skips external raw.

    12 hours ago, ade towell said:

    Can you shoot RAW internally on the Sony fs5?

    Nope

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    On 12/05/2017 at 3:15 AM, mercer said:

    Haha, we are still talking about two different kind of no budget productions. The kind I am referring to has a budget of a grand, follows Dogme 96 rules, is literally a ONE MAN band production, from writing to shooting(I am the crew) and editing. If it takes an extra 20 hours to process the footage, it's my time.

    So for me Raw makes sense... or a camcorder... LOL.

    Seriously, I would shoot Raw but if I thought that would slow the production up too much, I'd shoot it on a bridge camera... 65mm or S16... LOL.

    If you are a one man crew then I think it is an even stronger argument not to shoot raw. You don't want to be fluffing around with AC or DIT duties.

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    On 5/11/2017 at 2:10 AM, mercer said:

    So if you were shooting a no budget indie feature on a BMPCC/BMMCC today, you would shoot it on ProRes instead of Raw? It's like someone else wrote on another thread. Most productions shot in 4K are either big budget or extremely low budget.

    Almost for certain I'd go for ProRes or some other similar but high quality compressed codec (such as AVC Intra). 

    Had exactly this discussion too with a director that I was going to shoot a feature with (although that sadly hasn't happened yet, as his life went through a few upheavals out of the blue that he had to focus on first), he is a diehard raw fan! 

    But when you are so very constrained with resources when it comes to time/money/people, then that little extra 1% gain from raw is just not worth it. 

    So ProRes HQ it is! (was going to be shot with a mix of Sony PMW-F3 / BMPCC / BMCC, although we did for a little while have access to an F5 too)

    Although we did kinda come to a compromise that on very very very rare occasions then we might shoot specific shots in raw instead, where we/he thought it would really benefit from raw for that shot.

     

     

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    On 5/11/2017 at 0:19 AM, Kisaha said:

    http://www.panasonicforbusiness.com/2017/04/andrij-parekh-13-reasons-why/

    and I quote:  "Parekh captured UHD (3849 x 2160) AVC Intra 444 files to expressP2 cards. “Most of our audience are probably going to watch the show on their iPhones or iPads, or maybe a television at home. The AVC Intra codec’s resolution was perfect for broadcast, and it didn’t require massive data storage.”

    ..I do not consider 13 reasons why as a low budget production, at least not in the sense they are discussed here.

    Exactly, and if "13 Reasons" is not shooting raw then I also don't have to always shoot raw. 

     

    Canon C300 mk ii "other settings"

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    On 5/9/2017 at 8:19 AM, jcs said:

    Ah, the noise you are hearing is the internal mic. If you are only plugging in one XLR mic, when you import your footage, you'll need to either reinterpret as mono (1 channel), or mute the other 3 tracks. In Premiere CC, I created a preset to reinterpret the audio channels as stereo (use only channels 1 and 2) since I use both XLR inputs in the studio. After I import the clips, I select all of them then apply the reinterpret preset. In FCPX I disable channels on the audio board (haven't researched how to reinterpret imported clips as a group).

    I used to have the fan turn off when filming, however now I leave it on since the mics are on booms in the studio, and when shooting handheld, the shotgun mic (Schoeps CMIT5U) does a really good job masking not just the fan noise but also the AF noise (really impressive- all that gets through is low frequency AF vibration from the factory mic mount (can remove in post with a low cut filter; should try the mic low cut filter). If using a better suspension mount should be silent. Haven't tested, but something like this might work: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/861386-REG/Rycote_037324_SOFTIE_LYRE_MOUNT_with.html). Electronics last longer when cool, so I'd leave the fan on unless you can truly hear it in the recording and/or you're trying to save battery for a specific location shoot.

    Surely leaving the fan running on 100% of the time is just crazy overkill??? Not even REDs do that! (but then again their fans are a lot noisier....)

    On 5/10/2017 at 11:59 PM, vulycysodi said:

    Here is Canon C300 Manual which describe why you have to use other settings, its different settings options, their feature, role of these options in photography, in which type of photography category you have to use it etc. Settings to color matrices: Accessed by the Custom Picture button on the side of the camera, the C300 allows selection and editing of custom picture files, which apply a gamma curve to the image in addition to settings like knee and colour matrix adjustment

    Oh and this guy is very obviously a blatant spammer! Perhaps a mod wants to take care of him....

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    On 5/9/2017 at 1:57 AM, mercer said:

    Multi million dollar productions don't need Raw because they have so much other budgetary freedoms. It's us indie filmmakers that need every little bit of IQ help we can get.

    If you're a small indie production then you have an even smaller post production budget than the big boys.... so raw makes even less sense!

    12 hours ago, Kisaha said:

    It is easier to buy an expensive car, than run the costs of it. Servicing, fuel, insurance, taxes, etc

    That applies to everything, in my opinion (and experience) everything in the workflow is important. Especially with tripods, you can't cheat, there are no very cheap Chinese ones, and you can't buy smaller if you don't want to harm your usability, I learned that the hard way (it is always hard!) a dozen years ago.

    I dunno, these cheap chinese tripod seems pretty good:

    https://www.came-tv.com/collections/video-tripod

     

     

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    17 hours ago, mercer said:

    And in my opinion $6500 for a cinema camera that doesn't shoot Raw is not that great of a deal. 

    When even multimillion dollar productions are not shooting in raw, I don't believe it to be a big deal breaker at all if it is missing out on raw from the new lower priced Varicam. 

    So long as there is from the Varicam sensor an internal 4K 422 10bit and 2K 444 internal as well, then we should all be very happy indeed! :-) 

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    On 5/7/2017 at 0:38 AM, pablogrollan said:

    My bet is on SDXC, too. P2 cards are dead, as most absurdly overpriced and obsolete propietary media (Sony SxS anyone?) in favour of more readily available and universal media.

    SxS and P2 are both used still often enough on many many sets. I used SxS very recently, & I think next weekend's shoot will use P2. 

    On 5/7/2017 at 0:38 AM, pablogrollan said:

    True, but you also have to consider the very, very useful electronic variable ND of the FS5, its ability to shoot over 200 fps with top 1080p 422 10 bit quality (plus ridiculously high framerates at lower quality), the adaptability of E-mount, and the fact that 500$ plus renting an Oddissey (or a Shogun) gives you gorgeous raw video.

     

    Wait and see what the specs are of the Panasonic. 
    For all we know, it too might have: adaptable mount, high FPS modes, variable ND, 10bit internal, raw output, etc 

    But even if it doesn't.... wouldn't you rather have the dual ISO and colors of the Varicam over the FS5's limitations? :)

    On 5/7/2017 at 4:22 AM, Fritz Pierre said:

    I'm curious as to why you're so certain no SSD....The camera is physically large enough to use it....

    Because only the small oddball outsiders like Blackmagic Design and Kinefinity are letting you use off the shelf consumer SSDs. 
    All the big established players are insisting you use typical media formats like in the rest of their cameras. 
    Which is why I'd be very surprised to see a Varicam that let you record straight to an off the shelf consumer SSD.

    20 hours ago, mercer said:

    I get that everybody is stoked about this camera but once again, Panasonic has a huge gap in their camera pricing. There's already a gap between the G85 and GH5 and at $6500, there's a huge gap between the GH5 and this new camera. I know the GH5 is in a different category than the new camera, but with the hybrid nature of the GH5...

    So, if the pricing is correct, how does Panasonic fill the gap between the GH5 and this new camera to lure GH5 users who are ready to upgrade to move to this new camera instead of going to a Sony A7Siii and then the cheaper FS5?

    Going from GH5 to a7S mk3 would be a strange sideways "upgrade". Anyone doing that is probably suffering from gear addiction syndrome.....   and needs to slow down!

    I suspect the price gap between an FS5 and this new Varicam will probably be small enough that it won't be the biggest factor when people are choosing which camera to go with. 

    19 hours ago, mercer said:

    The price and feature gap between the G85 and GH5 is huge, especially if you are an HD shooter. To have to pay $2000 to get the high bitrate, all-i 1080p is kind of ridiculous. Sure you are getting a bunch more features with the GH5, but for half the money you can get an 80D with fairly high bitrate all-i 1080p, with DPAF, with a S35mm aesthetic, with better native lens options.

     

    No thanks, 80D would be a massive downgrade from a G85

    And it is just a momentary blip in time that there is a large price and feature gap between the G85 and GH5, because the GH5 just came out. 

    Very soon enough if we are just patient and wait, the G90 will come out which will close down the gap with the GH5.  And we'll probably see a successor of the G90 to come out as well before a GH6 arrives, further reducing the gap between the GH and G line ups (even catching up and exceeding the GH5! Like happened with the GH4 and GH3 before it). 

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    2 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

    +1 for the M4/3 locking mount on variable S35 sensor....Panasonic knows this is what their M4/3 customers want and it makes it like the AF100 except, with a professional weight infinitely lens adaptable mount and S35 sensor...that with some internal ND and good image in 4K up to say 60p and S35 that can crop to m4/3 and also to S16...lots of really interesting S16 glass out there...I think the price will be higher but they may also go 12bit instead of 10...as they sell M4/3 lenses that would make sense to from a business perspective....SD for media would surprise me....SSD is much more robust and you can record Prores directly to the cards...SD neither seems robust or fast enough.

    It seems so damn obvious to bring it out with a locking MFT mount! But companies often do strange and silly things instead.... so I won't count on it having a locking MFT mount :-( 

    SSDs will not happen. It will be SD cards, or P2 cards of some sort (I hope not.... I'd rather XQD or CFast, but this is Panasonic so they'll prefer their own P2 system of cards). 

    The fastest SD cards are damn fast now, so I think it is very sensible indeed for a camera at this price point to use SD cards. 
     

    2 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

    The Varicam LT also records 2K RAW @ 240p to a CD recorder now...curious about your impression of the LT when you finish your shoot with it!

    Well, I'm the soundie on the project not in the camera department. But I'll give what feedback I can :-) As I'll be working somewhat closely with it. 

    Sony to Sony speedbooster

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    19 hours ago, pablogrollan said:

    There actually is a Sony to Sony speedboster, obviously Sony A-mount to Sony E-mount... and Kiwis do fly, mostly with Air New Zealand and Qantas :glasses: 

    Picky picky! And he said FE mount, not A mount. 

    And I know about Air NZ and Qantas, I'm an Aucklander ;-) Fly on Air NZ just last week for a shoot down in the South Island!

    The new Fujinon cinema lenses

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    Fujinon is also bringing this out in X mount as well as for this pair of lenses, as well as E mount, makes you wonder if Fujinon is going to bring out a cinema camera....  their stills cameras are doing 4K after all. 

    So, is this mount on the lenses swappable between X mount and E mount??

    I wonder *if* the new lower priced Varicam ships in MFT mount if they will then release this for MFT mount as well? 

    Panasonic Teases New Compact Cinema Camera

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    11 hours ago, Hanriverprod said:

    43rumors claims a tip said this was the specs (ft3):

    S35 sensor (from the Varicam LT)
    EF-mount
    14+ stops of DR
    4k/1080p 10-bit 4:2:2 recording
    Possible Prores recording
    Two XLR inputs
    SDI/HDMI output
    Dual SDXC slots
    Detachable sidegrip and top handle
    Price: $6500

    http://www.43rumors.com/ft3-are-those-the-new-panasonic-camcorder-specs/#disqus_thread

     

     

    OMG!! Would be kick ass!!

    But I really hope they go for a positive locking Micro Four Thirds mount instead. Would be better optics (in the marketing sense! But true in the other sense too!) for Panasonic and the MFT Consortium. 

     

    9 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

    That would be great. Although what would separate it from the Varicam LT other than dual ISO? It would be half the price.

    Oh heaps of things they could gimp on it to differentiate it from the Varicam LT. Such as: no raw, no interchangeable mount, no 4K 60fps, no genlock, or no 2K 240fps. They might even do something really stupid like have no built in ND filters, or no timecode. 

    7 hours ago, pablogrollan said:

    Yep, and still it could be too expensive if it is indeed aimed at the C100 MKII/ FS5 crowd. Unless we see some extra features like high framerates and so on, I doubt the Varicam badge is incentive enough. For that price you are getting close to the FS7 or FS5 with Raw recording... not to mention the gap with the C100 or a rumoured C200.

    Image quality, 4K 10bit 422 internal, and dual ISO alone should be enough to tempt people away from buying a C100mk2/FS5

    This rumored price is only $750 more than an FS5, basically nothing at all when you're considering a camera at this price point. 

    It is $1.5K more than a C100mk2, which is not that much when you're thinking about a camera that costs $6.5K, but still a decent size leap up in cost.... however the features leap is MASSIVE over a C100mk2

    And when the C200 (or C100 mk3) comes out, the pricing gap between this and Panasonic one should be almost nothing at all, yet Panasonic will still have a big lead over the Canon in terms of capabilities. 

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