IronFilm

11 hours ago, mercer said:

Mark, the Z camera makers should make you an ambassador and use your footage in their promos. You have been consistently getting nice images with that little box.

They should send him a 2nd free one!

Just seems a very bizarre request to want to be able to turn off TC during a shooting. (or even ever, you still want "something", even a non-accurate one)

Why?

On 12/22/2017 at 1:17 PM, RWR said:

"I can see if you're a OMB with one or two cams and only so much footage, that TC would be less of a concern. "

Though I would be surprised with TC I/O on GH5s, a primary use is for double system sound...beginning with one camera..

However. that feature alone would be significant in this market segment.

TC is super super super useful for muticamera shoots. We did a feature film this year when were shooting with up to FIVE cameras at once! (plus of course my sound files from my Zoom F4)

On 12/12/2017 at 1:20 PM, PannySVHS said:

 I think he has not let go the pleasure of posting on eoshd under another anonymous alias. Oh, and thanks for providing some reading pleasure.

 

I wonder what username is he posting under on EOSHD? :-o

On 12/22/2017 at 2:34 PM, Damphousse said:

So much of what we consider on this site is irrelevant if you are a business.  And a number of those cameras are "business" cameras.  It does me no good to get a Panasonic GH2 if I need time code, rugged body, XLR inputs, professional service network, broadcast compliant codec, etc.  Throw depreciation and recapture in the mix and it totally scrambles the picture.  If you can sell one camera for $2,000 more than another camera by the time the tax man has his way with you assuming a 33% tax bracket and 3.8% medicare tax you are going to walk away with substantially less than $2,000 "profit".  Okay it is still better to get the $2,000 extra and pay tax on it but it isn't the same thing as just getting $2,000 free and clear.

And $2,000 either which way means nothing at all when you're earning $50K/yr or more from that camera. 

If you're a full time filmmaker with a few years of professional experience under your belt, it is hard to understand why a GH5 would be your A Cam.

Unless you're diversified across a few areas such as director/editor/writer/photography, then of course you don't want to be over invested in gear! And a GH5 or even a G85 is perfect for you.

On 12/21/2017 at 4:44 AM, webrunner5 said:

But as we see now already even lower end compnay's like Panasonic, Olympus, heck even Blackmagic are pushing up the price for cameras we would like to have in this last cycle.

It is because BMD is trying now to compete directly head on with the almost "high end" (or at least he solid mid range). 

Which isn't something BMD was exactly doing with the BMCC / BMPCC / BMPC4K beforehand, when it was much more targeted at the low end. 

But with the URSA Mini Pro we're seeing people choose that over a FS7 / F5 / C300mk2 / RED / etc... which is quite impressive. 

On 12/21/2017 at 8:37 AM, sam rides a mtb said:

Very happy about this   Funny I saw on another forum (don't think it was here), someone who was claiming that no one uses timecode anymore and that this was pointless to feature this.  I couldn't disagree more.  TOD TC has been a lifesaver in countless situations, and when doing work for broadcast, the editors (more so the assistant editors who have to do the initial camera grouping) I work with always stress having TOD timecode that is synced among all the cameras.  I can see if you're a OMB with one or two cams and only so much footage, that TC would be less of a concern.  But for episodic multi-cam shows and documentaries, having TC that can be jam-synced is a huge timesaver and helps keep things ordered.  Even when I'm just shooting a 2-cam interview for a freelance gig, I always try to have the two cams running the same TC, and have been applauded by the clients for doing so, even when they don't think to ask for it.

The only people who don't like TC are those who have never used it (or at least never used it done right).

I have progressively converting more and more people to the benefits of using TC on shoots as I work with them, when before they'd never experienced it before working with me.

On 12/22/2017 at 1:31 AM, Garrett S said:

That's a good point about the C300 MK1 at the same point in its life.  It will be interesting to see what happens with the FS7 over the next few years.

 

Back when I purchased a Sony PMW-F3 (two years ago? Over two years ago?) I was surprised at how very high C300 mk1 prices were in comparison. 

At that point in time C300 mk1 was still relevant, but right near the end of their product cycle as the FS7 mk1 had just recently arrived on the scene. 

The FS7 mk1 is probably still another year (or three?) from arriving at that same point in its product cycle as the C300 mk1 was back then.

And then of course it will be another year or five (?! Possibly longer, as I reckon 10bit 4K will stay relevant for a fairly long time) after then before the FS7 mk1 will drop down to prices that we say the C300 mk1 go for right now in late 2017 (and while I think the C300 mk1 is now finally a reasonably ok ish buy to consider, it still feels too overpriced for me). 

On 12/22/2017 at 1:31 AM, Garrett S said:

Have the NX-1 and NX500 risen in value over time?  I haven't kept up with them.  I actually looked up the NX-1 for this set of data but could only find bundles for it that included lenses, and I didn't really think it was comparable.  I could see how the shutdown of production and then a hack could actually cause a camera to go up in value.  Isn't that the situation with the Digital Bolex too, except for the hack?

Shut down of production can have both an upward and downwards impact on price:
Upwards: because the fanatics of the system snap up the remaining stock so they've got back ups for their gear. 
Downwards: because the mainstream buyers lose interest, as there is no future in the system.

A hack should generally speaking have an upwards impact on price, as it improves the value of the system. But to what degree this pricing impact has, and for how long, that is of course debatable. 

So you have these three key influences pushing around the prices of NX1 bodies. But is this overall up or down, or no real change? Tricky to say without further stats. 

On 12/22/2017 at 1:31 AM, Garrett S said:

That's a great suggestion.  If I have some time in the next few days I'll do that and rerun the numbers.  My original thinking was, if I wanted to buy this camera for the lowest price possible on eBay right now, what would I pay?  But I think using your suggestion would give a better overall perspective.

Glad you find my suggestion useful (I am inherently a numbers nerd! Pre filmmaking my background is math/stats/compsci/physics). 

I think what you're already doing is really great!! :-)

And yeah, as most of us in this thread about how getting "best value" for our filmmaking, I hope/expect most of us have enough self control to take a look over a longer time span than "right now". Although of course exactly how long that time span is, we all vary on that! (I'm happily wait over a year for the right bargain to pop up on eBay, or longer!)

On 12/22/2017 at 1:31 AM, Garrett S said:

 It will be interesting to see how GH5 prices play out as the GH5s hits the market in the next few months.

Fingers crossed they tank! ;-) 

As I wouldn't mind buying a GH5 in 2018. 

But honestly I strongly doubt I will. 

As I feel the G6/G7/G85 are much stronger value propositions. 

For two key reasons:

1) They start out at a lower price

2) They are underappreciated vs the flagship GH series cameras which get all the attention, thus the G series "flies under the radar" and has lower secondhand prices than the GH series which keep a relatively higher price due to the greater historical interest in the GH series. 

So in 2018 I might buy a G7 or G85. (but will try to not buy one! Ha. As do I really really need any more cameras? Hmmmm)

On 12/22/2017 at 3:36 PM, salim said:

this is so good that makes me cry 

The audio made me cry :-(

8 hours ago, Cinegain said:

-- thing with Panasonic is... they always know how to lure you in...

 

I can feel the G.A.S. is strong with you! ;-)

On 12/22/2017 at 5:55 AM, andrgl said:

Amazon (itself, not a 3rd party,) is selling some lighting gear for about 1/7th the MSRP. Obviously they fucked up on pricing but I placed an order.

Possibly the MSRP is way way waaaay overstated beyond its true market value. As often enough that happens (though not usually by 7x).

On 12/20/2017 at 10:02 PM, aldolega said:

The XL .64x is a little bit stronger power/magnification, and will take your effective sensor size up to around APS-H (1.3x) crop. Which is great but at this point many lenses designed for APS-C (like possibly your Tamron) will vignette, as they aren't designed to cover that large of a sensor. So your best bet is to stay with one of the .71x models.

Plus you could get a non-Metabones focal reducer which is 0.71x, such as the RJ Lens Turbo which is dirt dirt cheap. 

Is what I use myself with my MFT cameras.

On 12/20/2017 at 10:02 PM, aldolega said:

Your link is to the plain adapter, not a speedbooster. A plain adapter simply mounts the lens to the camera at the correct distance from the sensor, and does nothing to change/compensate for the smaller sensor size. It has no optical elements, basically just a tube with your camera's mount on one end and the lens mount on the other. You can get decent plain adapters for much less than Metabones' versions, however... Fotodiox is decent and usually around $20.

This is one of the benefits of the Nikon lens system, their plain adapters are a tiny fraction of the cost of a Canon adapter. 

On 12/22/2017 at 4:13 PM, webrunner5 said:

Heck a Panny G7 is better than a GH4 for colors, and a few other goodies let alone a G85 being a Lot better with IBIS helping a ton alone just for that reason and even better colors etc...

Now they don't have all the Anamorphic stuff etc, that a GH4 has but most people only use 40% of what a GH4 had to offer anyways. Things have moved forward surprisingly fast over at Panasonic Land!

Yeah, and if you're going to buy the GH4 for the benefits its has (such as anamorphic or 10bit external) then you likely are not on a budget for a G85 anyway! And you should just buy a GH5 instead. 

So in short: a G85 beats a GH4 in every way*

(Exceptions: being in a few ways that are usually not relevant to a G85 buyer anyway, and if they matter to you... you should buy a GH5 instead! For instance who'd buy a GH4 for the 10bit external today?! For the cost of a GH4 + 4K recorder, you could just buy a GH5!!))

On 12/22/2017 at 7:36 PM, Ty Harper said:

Agreed! But I honestly can't see myself ever shelling out that type of money for a camera that doesn't have DPAF (unless I'm mistaken the C500 doesn't have it right?).

 

For a camera with 4K raw plus many more features, that price doesn't seem so bad. 

I'll admit on rare occasion I look at their prices and get tempted myself...

On 12/23/2017 at 5:11 AM, scotchtape said:

Free reshoot out of your pocket if you want to keep your rep.  Mistakes happen, and sometimes you have to pay for them. 

This. You need to cover the reshoot costs out of your own pocket. 

Consider it an expensive lesson learned! ha

Otherwise, do some aggressive crops + extra B roll, and fake it together somehow in the edit! :-o

On 12/19/2017 at 6:40 PM, Mattias Burling said:

Link to proof please.

I've seen it mentioned too, ages ago, in the ML forums by one of the developers as the reason why.

On 12/19/2017 at 9:46 PM, austinchimp said:

Having used the C200 for several long run and gun days, I would not call it lightweight! The form factor is nice, but if you're used to DSLR cameras it's significantly heavier, with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings. For me personally, though I love the quality and look of a larger heavier camera, smaller lighter cameras have proven better with my way of working. For that reason I stopped using a Ursa 4.6k and moved to the GH5 as my main camera.

 

It is all relative, if you're used to an Arri Alexa or RED ONE or such, then a C200 is very lightweight indeed! Heck, even compared to say the "lightweight" Sony F5/F55 then a C200 will feel just fine. 

As it is pretty small, basically the same weight as a C300. (which I do have experience with)

And yeah, if you're coming from DSLRs then you'll find a C300 (or C200) possibly "too big" and would prefer something just a little bit smaller (such as say a C100, I really think the difference in size between a C300 and C100 can make a big difference in shooting with it stripped down for long periods run and gun. But pity about the C100's poor specs! However you'd likely find the Panasonic EVA1 just perfect! Very small size + great specs). 

On 12/20/2017 at 4:01 AM, Mattias Burling said:

Unless it's an official statement from Canon its not worth anything.  

 

Do you really think Canon are likely to OFFICIALLY say this? 

Nah, that strikes me as very unlikely, as the backlash would be immense! And they'd gain nothing at all from that (vs achieving the same ends by communicating it discretely via back channels)

18 hours ago, EthanAlexander said:

Audio Equipment (So we don't leave out IronFilm)

Haha! I selected more than just that! 

Also wish for an EVA1 and a complete lighting kit. 

14 hours ago, EthanAlexander said:

@IronFilm Audio is the only one that hasn't been picked yet... It's up to you to defend the most overlooked part of filmmaking  

I'm one of three votes for it now! :-D 

14 hours ago, JordanWright said:

Sigma 50-100

I'm a poor man who is struggling by with his Sigma 50-150mm instead :-( 
(as the 50-100mm had not even came out when I made my purchase)

And now I've decided to focus on audio instead, I doubt I'll be in a hurry to upgrade any time soon. 

6 hours ago, Garrett S said:

So, basically the FS7 has lost very little of its value over time

I'd say it is because it is still a current "hot" camera, in high demand. 

Would suspect the same could be said about the C300 mk1 at this point in its life cycle as well (but now its prices have dropped rather low indeed). 

I expect (or just hope? ha!) that once the next hot new thing comes along to replace the FS7, then we'll see some significant price drops on the FS7. 

6 hours ago, Garrett S said:

 I chose cameras that are most discussed on the blogs that I frequent, like this one, but I purposely excluded cameras that are also super popular in photography, like the 5D Mark II and III.  Their used online value might be less attached to their video functions than others here.  

So why is the Canon 1D X mk2 included?!?! As it is first and foremost most widely seen as a high end stills camera by the vast majority of people. 

12 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Reasons why:
1) uses a little broader period of time than just right now
2) prices cameras have actually sold for is going to be more accurate than prices sellers hope to get

Also:
3) you don't need to rely upon only Buy It Now listings, but can include all kinds.
4) one rogue outlier won't have a significant impact upon your results.

6 hours ago, Garrett S said:

The long of it is this: I made ten columns in a Google Sheet.  The first column identifies the camera.  I chose cameras that are most discussed on the blogs that I frequent, like this one, but I purposely excluded cameras that are also super popular in photography, like the 5D Mark II and III.  Their used online value might be less attached to their video functions than others here.  

I strongly suspect that cameras which are also very popular for photography will lose value at a slower rate. 

Because stills development has been on a bit of a plateau for a few years now, thus the usefulness of secondhand stills cameras is dropping slower as new ones come out. 

6 hours ago, Garrett S said:

I used the lowest “Buy-It-Now” price from eBay (US) I could find for each camera, but I only accepted cameras that I would actually purchase (if I was looking for one) based on their being used but totally functional and coming from buyers with decent feedback.  

I suggestion for the future, if you are to ever redo this:

Go to "completed listings" on eBay, sort by price, and use a value midway between the two extremes (using the exact middle, the median, would be a reasonable and simple approach to take. But up to you where you choose, I'm more of a bargain hunter so I might select bottom 25th percentile instead as the figure to use)

Reasons why:
1) uses a little broader period of time than just right now
2) prices cameras have actually sold for is going to be more accurate than prices sellers hope to get

On 12/20/2017 at 6:29 AM, Kisaha said:

Just play it safe, you can give some dB gain on post easily!

 

Yup! Thanks to the preamps being so clean.

Just look at this pic from its IMDB page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5664676/

Although, from this BTS video:
 

It appears other cameras are used too. As I spot a RED. 

6 hours ago, salim said:

@IronFilm and @Kisaha I blame you guys for this. At least for the sony stuff. 

haha. But at least you can't blame me for buying a MixPre6! ;-)

Levels too high?

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Some have a Aperture control in them, about 125 bucks,

 Waaaay too high! Try less than 10% of that figure for Nikon G adapters.

6 hours ago, wolf33d said:

So we can continue to be fucked between paying shit for 1500 or getting a crazily heavy and big thing for 8K.  

A Canon C200 is surprisingly small/lightweight, try instead shooting with a RED ONE! :-P ha