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2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Even 900$ is a silly number. You had to pay double the money a couple of years ago for similar things, triple the money for much less 5 years ago, before that most things that it does weren't even possible. Canon's latest M cameras cost as much, or more doing much less (except Dual Pixel of course).

 

Even five years ago, you could not buy for ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY a camera which did 4K + IBIS + such a small size. 

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

GH5 is as new as you can get. There is a 2 month waiting list in my country, I do not see a GH6 possible for at least 2020, but I see a couple of more significant hardware updates in the next couple of years.

 

I'm slightly more hopefully, and expecting 2019?

But even 2020 would not surprise me!

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Might be worth looking for some on eBay as the prices may have come down quite a lot.

 

Only one has been on eBay recently:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ikonoskop-A-Cam-dii-Super-16mm-CCD-Digital-Cinema-Camera-DNG-RAW-kit-extras-/122572101775

The guy wanted US$10K! :-o

5 hours ago, jcs said:

Looks decent. The F55 can be matched to Alexa with enough work (at least in the studio).

Ha! Did you look up what it was shot on, or did you already know? ;-)

I posted it because I get a little tired sometimes of discussions  of higher end cameras as "cinematic", or writing off various cameras as *not* cinematic.

Basically we're living in an amazing time of abundance, with a luxury of choices when it comes to cameras. 

*Any* dedicated video camera with interchangeable lens mount and 4K is a top notch choice that can be "cinematic",

As your lighting/grading/composition/movement/filters/lenses/etc will all add up to making a much much greater difference than whatever camera you choose from those options!

If a person is not happy their results are not "cinematic" with such a camera, then very likely the problems lies with themselves! Not the camera body. 

3 hours ago, Amazeballs said:

Though I dont consider G85 a lower end camera in any way. It costed 900$ for me

That is still less than HALF the price of a GH5. 

And you got a lens for that $900 with the G85? 

Which the $2K GH5 doesn't come with. 

3 hours ago, Amazeballs said:

Anyway, my next camera probably will be G90 or GH6

If it follows the trends of GH3/G6 and GH4/G7 then the G90 will probably have a few little areas where it is better than the GH5 ;-)  (but not in all ways)

I know for me at least, I preferred the G6 over the GH3, and is one reason why I purchased the G6.

8 hours ago, Orangenz said:

1. Compatibility with "LUMIX Tether" PC software

This new firmware enables GH5 tethered shooting via USB, using “LUMIX Tether" PC software. Users can control the camera by connecting it to a PC via USB.

Click here to the LUMIX Tether Download Program

That "LUMIX Tether" PC software is cool news for studio shooters!

Something to keep the stills photographers happy! As they often complain about Panasonic being too video focused (they could always just buy Olympus instead!)

Is this a "filmic" look? Or does this series have a "video" look?

On my super crappie Samsung J2 (yeah I know, I need a new phone! But I keep on spending my money on filmmaking gear....) then the site seems to be loading a tiny bit slower. Not unbearable though.

4 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

Luckily, getting a 4:4:4 model is more a matter of diligence and patience than price; my good condition 4:4:4 model only ran me $1200.

Ditto. I paid the same price for my 444 F3 too, *years* ago ;-)

It is impossible to recommend a better full size cinema camera at this price point.

The only reasons which might hold me back:

Is if you want to go smaller: BMD Pocket or Micro. But then you miss out on other features.

Or if you can stretch the budget a little: because the FS700 has fallen so far in price now! (This is probably what I'd do instead of an F3, if I was doing this all over again today) Or the wildcard JVC LS300

Or you want a stills camera too: Panasonic GH5, or G80.

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

@IronFilm what lab and int mic?

I am still trying to decide what is going to be my next int mic after my Oktava. Audix/Neumann MT 185, or sell a kidney and buy the MKH50 (it is 1600€ here. Do the conversion and you will be surprised! More expensive than Schoeps)

Can't remember if it was an Oktava or a Samson C02. I'd need to look up what I wrote in my metadata.

Lav was a stock Sony UWP-D11

If I was you I'd stick with the Oktava, until you can afford a MKH50 or Scheops.

As what other gear gaps are more pressing for you?

1 hour ago, jcs said:

Why get the MKH50 over the CMC641 if it costs more?

Robustness?

7 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

It has a ton of advantages over a comparable DSLR, too, like outstanding battery life, XLRs, internal NDs, interchangeable mounts, SDI out (hard to go back once you have it), more mounting points without the need for a cage, top handle for low angle shots, no record limit, and the most accurate peaking function I've ever used. 
 

Has timecode and genlock too, which I as a soundie appreciate.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Making the G85 any better would kill the GH5 stone dead and nobody wants that to happen.

The G85 is going to be made better however, when the G90 gets released ;-)

Whoops! Should have taken more careful note of the usernames.

5 hours ago, omega1978 said:

this is the setup

Interesting! No issues ever with the cable?

Would love to see BTS video of a shoot with this, as well as the photos. 

17 hours ago, Cinegain said:

Though... atleast they do it in a sort of understandable fashion, like, from a business perspective. The segmentation game Canon is playing is far worse.

Yup, all businesses practice segmentation of some sort or another. 
And yup, Canon does it far worse than Panasonic! (or Sony)

My kit is listed here:
http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound/

Technique is nothing too special? Just using my ears and brain, with a boom and lav on talent. 

19 hours ago, redimp said:

I'm looking to buy a used cinema camera that does full HD (yes, not 4k) and has a nice 1.5x crop sensor or around that. I want it to be PL as I have a set of PL lomos that I plan to shoot with, paired with my Iscorama 36.

HD? PL? S35? 60p? NDs? DR? Colors? Lowlight?

Sounds like you just described the Sony PMW-F3! ;-) 

19 hours ago, redimp said:

So far I have done a lot of googling, and usually newer articles pop up, that talk about 4k cams. I would actually go for a 4k cam, was looking at the Ursa MP but I don't have the capacity to store and edit that much data and the price would be sort of a stretch for me, so I better get a HD cam and some decent lights.

Smart!!

18 hours ago, redimp said:

Thanks guys! I'm really unfamiliar with F3, looking at it right now. How would it compare with the c300?

No contest.

F3 wins.

14 hours ago, SigurdW said:

Constructive comment. But I'll bite  JVC LS300 paired with a PL adapter

Yeah, JVC LS300 or secondhand Sony FS700 are probably the only other S35 cinema cameras with NDs I'd consider on an ultra low budget, other than the Sony F3.

1 hour ago, Liam said:

And since people are listing ef mount cameras, I might as well add the BMCC with speed booster is the perfect s35 crop and an amazing image

Rather go with a BMD Pocket/Micro than the BMCC

1 hour ago, jhnkng said:

Yes

No. 

You forget about the unseen. What many discoveries are we missing due to the lack of private spending? Because it was sucked out of the economy by the government. 

1 hour ago, jhnkng said:

And without the USPS you wouldn't have eBay or Amazon. Without cheap, (relatively) reliable delivery internet shopping might not have caught on the way it did as quickly as it did. 

There are private couriers too.

Oh hey, I've got a whole thread with my username in the title! :-P 

1 hour ago, jcs said:

Reminds me of issues I had with Sony A7S I and FS700 (not so much with A7S II, which I found to work pretty well if WB set correctly and decent lights).

Low CRI/TLCI lights can also be hurting overall color and especially skintones.

From memory there was an HMI shining from the kitchen window on the left, I kinda forget about the rest used. 
I probably should upload soon the BTS I filmed for my vblog, might jog my memory about the lighting. 

On 9/23/2017 at 5:48 AM, Damphousse said:

Apple isn't a great company because it has a kick ass HR department.  It is a great company because of Steve Jobs.  You could give Steve Jobs any group of reasonably competent engineers and he would give you the number one smartphone in the world. 

No. Part of the reason why Apple was so successful is exactly because Jobs put great engineers in place at his company (and yes, that means partly having a great HR department in place too, to recruit them). 

Or have you so quickly forgotten Steve Wozniak? He was just the first of many great engineers to work for Apple. 

On 9/23/2017 at 5:48 AM, Damphousse said:

Lol.  Yeah I guess that is why the US government dug the Panama Canal, created the atomic bomb in record time, put a man on the moon in the 1960s, invented the internet, and can get a piece of mail from Key West to Alaska in a few days for 49 cents.

Do you feel creating the atomic bomb was a net gain for humanity? I doubt it. 
Was putting a man on the moon the best use of billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars? It was just a big dick waving competition with the USSR. I feel society would have flourished more if that money had been left with those who earned it, to spend as they saw best, rather than being stolen away to finance the space race.
The US Postal Service is operating at a massive loss. 

You didn't give particularly good examples of government :-/ 

On 9/18/2017 at 8:15 AM, BTM_Pix said:

"...before A9 was introduced, Sony went through a lot failure internally. Nikon has a lot more failure experience than Sony."

 

LOL!

Wellllll....... they are right, you acquire a lot of experience of failure over a hundred years!

23 minutes ago, jcs said:

Doesn't look like Canon or Red.

Why not RED? Or Canon.

23 minutes ago, jcs said:

I can get nice skintones and decent DR from the A7S II using Slog2 + SGamut3.cine (A7R II might be even better re: color). 

Because the skintones & DR are not good?

23 minutes ago, jcs said:

Haven't used or studied GH5 much, though handheld shots seemed a bit shakier than the new GH5 should produce?

So is a smaller camera without IBIS?

23 minutes ago, jcs said:

Skin highlights clipped kinda hard, so appears like Panasonic or non-Slog2 Sony gamma. Given the video-y look, magenta bias WB with sometimes green skin (color is kinda all over the place), and sometimes decent DR, final guess is Sony with a 'clippy' gamma.

Thus in conclusion: a Sony (but not in s-log), or maybe a Panasonic?

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Jonesy Jones said:

The phrasing of that post is definitely several notches better than my typical gooder grammar skillz.

That said, those videos were hilarious. My 12 year old daughter loves to cook and she is going to love watching those. 

I can never guess the camera right. My first guess was going to be F3 just because I think you have one. But then I remembered you were doing sound. Then I thought maybe GH5, but only because that's a hot topic. Or C200. Or 70mil film. Meh. iPhone 8?

Ha! Those guesses are all over the place.

But you are right that it wasn't shot on an F3, or any other camera I own. As I had zero influence over camera choice.

Well, as people talk so much about the inherent color science of one brand or another, I'll give a hint by narrowing it down to just a few brands it might be and see what people might rule out:

RED

Sony

Canon

Panasonic

The camera was from one of those four.

Random observation:

We shot this over one single day. You can very obviously see how the ratio of internal to external light changed over the day by observing the kitchen window on the left.

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 3:21 PM, maisdoidoainda said:

I have an analogy for all this situation of cameras: which is the best selling car in the world? which cheap Indian car company got land rover? the pros who use Canon for years will not change, but their children will not use Canon.

It is not the D5 or the 1DX that determines the direction of sales, but the opposite: we all start from the bottom, buying cameras that cost a thousand dollars at most. Who is innovating in cameras up to 2000 dollars? Sony is paving the way for the future, the result will come in a few years.

This is the point I've been long making.

That the  feeder network of cameras matters a lot for sales success of the higher end cameras.

Thus Panasonic made a massive blunder with their Panasonic EVA1.

They have a massive success with their Panasonic GH series of the years. Then you have the Panasonic Varicam LT which is a top notch high end camera.

The Panasonic EVA1 was the golden opportunity to build a bridge between those two worlds Panasonic has succeeded in!!

& provide a pathway up for GH series owners. But Panasonic failed to have a MFT version of the Panasonic EVA1.

While this is an area Sony is doing successfully. You could start out with say a NEX-5N or a5100, then move up to an a7Rmk2, then secondhand FS700 for 4K raw, then an FS7mk2, and then a VENICE!!!

All the way along you get to stick with the same E mount throughout! Genius! 

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Karfoot said:

I was looking at the Leica SL I wonder if that would be a better camera to Hack. I was also thinking that the best contender for RAW etc would be the GH5.

Have you seen CHDK??

Magic Lantern was so successful because they got to build on top of that success.

You won't see Magic Lantern for any other camera ever happening any time soon, without that massive amount of groundwork being laid beforehand.

19 hours ago, elgabogomez said:

The scarlet uses just part of the sensor an is an 1.87x crop from 35mm ff. The sensor read of the ump is bigger than that. Why do you "need" 4k and not 4.6k? 

Heh, & that is the same crop as a GH2 ;-)

And 4K really isn't needed by many. I won't get a 4K camera until next year, or maybe even the year after!