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Found one of those "exceptions to the rule" films:

The "making of" video is very impressive:
 

If you feel you can do better than that, then please go right ahead! :-)

(but I'd love it even more if you made a whole feature film.....)

Any good documentary maker would likely keep on filming too. Many war corespondents will of course tell tales of exactly the same situation, where they couldn't put the camera down but had to pick it up to capture the story even under horrible circumstances (often quite the reverse, as the more horrible it is, the more important it is they report on it!).
Now of course Logan Paul isn't a doco maker, he is a "YouTuber". 
But in a way, that is kinda sort of the "same thing"? As a vlogger he is making a mini documentary, every single day. 

Look on the upside perhaps? He is bringing more attention to Japan's terribly high suicide rates, maybe will do his tiny part in helping open a discussion to do something about it. 

Oh, and as for censorship, I don't believe in any of that. "We don't have free speech to talk about the weather".

Ha! Yeah on TradeMe (NZ's "eBay") prices seem to be inflated. 

But on eBay itself, seems prices are quite commonly around $200 or under for a GH2. 

And sub $200? Yeah that counts as "almost free" to me, is why I went for the E1! When I really shouldn't have. 

34 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

If you can't make a great short with that Canon C100 mkII or the 1DC you need to give it up.

Well the same could have been said about even the old GH2, which now is practically free. 

1 hour ago, Neumann Films said:

This thread is running on fumes ?

The GH5s won't be powered by electricity but instead be gas powered?! :-o

Oh yes, that #2 is very famous in New Zealand! Awwwwkard

#1: phew, was rescued! 

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

You need to move to the united States.

Yes, I know, filmmaking would be much cheaper if I was in the USA :-( 

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

You are nearly  thousand dollars higher than I can get just about anything you mentioned on most all those cameras.

But I don't think I'm as far off as you think? 

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I have found 3 1DC's for 2000

Except perhaps for the 1D C.... as I went on sold eBay listings, the cheapest for a 1D C is over US3K. 

So if they do exist for $2K... they don't come up often, or these are listings in places a bit more obscure than eBay. (such as Craigslists, but then you need to be local to pick up the camera usually?)

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I can buy Canon mk 1's with DPAF all day for 1750.

You originally said C100mk2, which is different.

And I said C100mk1 are easy to find under $2K (I even shared the B&H sale where the C100mk1 was selling *new* for even less than $1750!)

8 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

BM mini's 2500 all day etc. etc.

But these are the 4K sensor? Or/and without the software. (although less of an issue now they've dropped the price)

And I excluded the 4K sensor in my comment, as that wasn't BMD's greatest work (which is why you can find them so cheap!). 

9 hours ago, Snowfun said:

For what it’s worth, the Edinburgh International Film Festival considers anything >30 minutes a feature. Less than that a short.

 

They do that because they only see the world as back and white: shorts or features. 

Nothing in between. (in other words, medium length ones do not exist)

But realistically, folks out there in the rest of the world don't see a 31 minute film as a "feature film"!

8 hours ago, Liam said:

I assume it wouldn't be helpful for me to list successful medium length films? ("exception that proves the rule" will forever be nonsense to me, but no matter how many I list, I suppose technically they are all exceptions).

Sure, if you also list all the failures! And consider the ratio between the two. 

7 hours ago, mercer said:

But to address your original comment... if you set out to write a feature and end up with a 30-40 minute script then there is something wrong with the story, or the idea isn’t conducive for a feature.

Personally, I think 70-75 minutes is the sweet spot for a no budget, indie film.

Agreed. If you go under 70 minutes people won't think of you as a "feature filmmaker", and if you go much over.... well you're putting in extra work for no gain! (but yes, of course if your story really needs that extra ten minutes to tell the story completely then make it be 85 minutes long)

 

7 hours ago, mercer said:

At 30 minutes, you are kinda in no man’s land... it’s a lot to cut for a short and a lot to pad for a feature. But even at 30 minutes, if you explore a subplot or two and then when you add B-Roll you may be able to push it over 60 minutes if you let your scenes play... but that main story better be damn good... especially your first 10 minutes.

If there was 30 page script, I'd say it probably is too far off from being a feature? Either split it up into episodes for a web series if you can. Or go super aggressive and "kill your babies" to get your script well under 15 minutes for a really nice and tight short film. 

3 hours ago, mkabi said:

Now, I would be interested in a Pocket mark 2 - similar to the original that used the Nikon batteries and had an LCD on the back, may be add a larger sensor, more resolution (5K+), more DR (or at least industry standard 11-12), more frame rates  (4K @ 120fps would be nice :D) and may be use Canon LP-E6 batteries. 

If they're going to use Nikon batteries again I'd hope for Nikon EN-EL15 (same as in D500, and lots of others), which are a lot bigger than the ones in the Pocket!

Or pop it on the back like the Micro, with NP-F batteries (which give lots of size options). Or BP-U batteries, like FS5/FS7/EX1/EX3/Terra/etc use (and also comes in many different sizes). 

3 hours ago, Snowfun said:

I’d rather a 4k sensor & lens unit with a “video assist” to do the job of recording and monitoring. Happy with external batteries. A 4k micro plus a 5” 4k VA (with raw).

I'd rather the recording was internal, to SanDisk Extreme Pro cards. So then you have many many more options when it comes to monitoring (as you can use just a normal monitor, not monitor/recorders). 

5 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

And they'll wow everyone with a big NAB splash - then after the usual delays it'll ship in early 2019.

Sarcasm. Sort of.

BMD has been better lately with shipping products more promptly, the BMD URSA Mini Pro was announced and immediately available to buy:

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In a first for Blackmagic cameras, you can actually purchase one today. 

http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/03/02/blackmagic-design-announces-the-ursa-mini-pro-with-built-in-nd-filters-and-user-changeable-lens-mounts/

4 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Again, another engineer spoke with me about a new camera. It came up because I made a request to have an alternate way to retrieve footage from their cams with something other than a card reader... i.e. a way to connect the camera directly to a computer or hard drive. He said they were already working on that and would look forward to speaking with me at next year's NAB.  So take this as an official new rumor (F5) -- the next BM camera will be able to offload footage via a method other than card reader (mind blown). lol

 

But why would you want to do that?!?! I can offload footage from Sony PMW-F3 via USB, but I only do that because an SxS reader is kinda expensive and sometimes I forget my SD/SxS adapter, so I use my SxS cards in a pinch. 

8 hours ago, wolf33d said:

By 2015 standard yes D850 rocks in video. Thing is, we are in 2018

I can't come even close to producing work as good as the best DLSR videos from 2015, I think I'd do fine if I was given a D850!

10 hours ago, DBounce said:

Since the December thread clearly did not happen here is a new one for January. I think the current rumor is pointing to the 8th. Here is a fresh image that was tweeted out today!

 

Are we going to get one thread for every month of the year?

1 hour ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Certain: 

The new model will very nearly cement M43 as a serious cinematography format, finally. 

I reckon the GH1/AF100/GH2/GH3/GH4/GH5/etc has already done that! (although the EVA1 was a bit of a let down....)

11 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

You forgot the "Is it the 8th yet?", clearly a mention about 8 bits on footage.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Z Cam E1 already has this feature ;-)

Ahhhh ha..... very minor spoiler warning:

The shot with a BMCC in it, that is also in the trailer, appears right near the end of the film itself. 

Sadly I can see now it is a BMCC with an EF mount :-( Maybe that is why they needed the GH4! (for any and all wide angle shots)

Absolute proof a BMCC was used for part of the film itself:
 

Although from watching that, and other BTS videos, seems a mix of cameras were used: Phantom + GoPro (for an underwater shoot!) + Panasonic GH4 + ...a Canon?! (but seems that might have only been for stills?! As I only see it on a neck strap, hanging around a guy's neck in the BTS videos. But never being used for filming with)

Oh, and I see a Beholder gimbal being used (with the GH4). 

Also, from watching the BTS it has become quite clear why the audio is sub par. 

10 minutes ago, Aussie Ash said:

Seems like quite a shrewd way to finance it .Does it do much to promote Turkey   ????

Indeed! Good way to make a film. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Transferable_(film)#Filmmaking_model

Basically is a mix of tourism related funding or other sponsors (such as Land Rover) + featuring a few YouTubers (which helps then with sales). 

Smart way to go about it. 

And yup, it features Turkey a lot and a *LOT*!

But the great thing is it is done in a totally non-obtrusive manner, as it is just the setting where the film is. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/shira-lazar/how-do-you-make-a-movie-i_b_9298634.html

Ah my bad then, but my point largely remains... they're kinda rare at those prices. 

And there is the whole issue of news vs secondhand. Some are fine with taking that risk (I am), but others are not. 

Plus the C300mk1 vs even the original current GH5 has a lot of downsides: no 4K, no 10bit, no slow motion (and in reverse, the C300mk1 has a number of advantages: NDs/SDI/TC)

Strange, I would have expected that scene from the trailer to be early on in the movie, yet forty minutes in and I haven't spotted a single BMCC! Hmmm... maybe it was in the trailer, but missed the final cut of the movie?!

Certainly feels like a fairly low budget production (sound is bad!! Well, by my standards), so yeah... quite likely it was shot on a BMCC as well?? Who knows. 

The first twenty minutes was quite bad, bland cheesy terrible low budget rom-com, but from the twenty minute period onward it improved quite a bit. As the two co-leads have great chemistry (and the male co-lead doesn't show up until 20 minutes in). 



 

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

But a G85 with a good zoom is the cheap ass way to go. I ain't too big on m3/4 anymore but this new GH5s may change that, but that is WAY out of your price range, probably for the money out of most people's on here, that is used C100 mkII, C300 territory, even BM Mini, Canon 1DC, 5D mk IV, Sony A7r mkIII damn near.  I know I am forgetting some. It had better be DAMN good..

We all believe the GH5s will come in at sub $3K, and at probably significantly less such as say $2.5K

So with those prices in mind, let's look at those other cameras:

C100mk2: If you're lucky you'll find it for around $3K, but $2.5K? Unlikely. Perhaps you are thinking of the original old C100mk1? (which will be even cheaper, sub $2K easily) But both these cameras are 1080 cameras, which serve a very different niche of shooters. 
C300mk1: no way are you getting that for less than $3K (except maybe in PL mount). And again, this is an old 1080 camera, which doesn't even have 4K, doesn't have 10bit, and doesn't even have 60fps FHD slow motion!
BMD URSA Mini: again, no chance of finding this under $3K (unless referring to the 4K sensor, which is widely seen as BMD's worse). 
Canon 1D C: that won't be selling for under $3K either. 
5Dmk3: now we're finally starting to find something which will sell in the low to mid two thousands (maybe even less than that if lucky). But you'll be dealing with a heavy crop (and no lenses or focal reducer to match with the sensor), and a terrible codec (which is still only 8bit 420), and the DSLR form factor. 
Sony a7R mk3: nope, won't find that cheaper than a GH5s.

On 11/2/2015 at 6:55 AM, wolf33d said:

Who cares about Nikon Log when you have AWESOME - high DR - easy grading Nikon Flat? 
What is this mania with Log nowadays? What counts is not the name of the thing, what counts is a nicely gradable profile decently flat that retains DR. 

Who cares if the name is log, HDR, flat, superfustia or mustafa? 
Lol, seriously... 

Nikon D810/D750 are absolutely awesome camera, years ahead of Canon ones. Reason why I chose A7RII over those is:
4K
high bitrates
Tilt screen (not on D810)
EVF
Nice video functions such as focus peaking, .. ..
IBIS

The day Nikon release a FF camera with 4K, I throw the A7R II out of the window ^^. 
Except if Canon really impresses us with an amazing 4K 5DIV with great codecs, DUAL PIXEL AF, Canon Log, ... I really want them to do that but I feel the worst... 

I had the Nikon D5500 and honestly it is a pleasure to grade. Low bitrates for wide detailed shots is a deal breaker, lack of details compared to 4K too. It just does not cut it. 
But they are close. 
Nikon, give us a D850 with 4K, tilt touch screen (not gonna happen lol), good S35 4K mode, 42mpx BSI sensor, "nikon boosted" DR (compared to Sony for the same sensor) and same Flat profile and color like D810. And that would be a dream camera. Don't even care about IBIS thanks to news good lenses like the Tamron 35mm 1.8.

"Not going to happen"???

IT HAPPENED!! :-D

The Nikon D850 came out, with a tilt touch screen. 

On 1/1/2018 at 6:51 PM, Michael1 said:

Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but here we are in 2017-8, and they Nikon built the D850 with all of these features, and then some.  Funny!

Shows people can never really be happy :-( 

8 hours ago, wolf33d said:

in 2015 I had a dream: have a camera that is as good as D810 in Photo, and as good as it gets in video.

By 2015 standards the D850 is "as good as it gets" for video!

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

And the Kicker is if you are Really Really into video is a used Panny GH4. I know the G85 has IBIS and a bit better colors but there is not a damn video camera in the world overall better than a GH4 with all it has to offer Video wise for the money

I'd disagree, because all the things that makes a GH4 "better" (such as anamorphic, YAGH, or 10bit external) a budget minded sub $1K buyer is not going to be buying a secondhand GH4 for!

Thus that then leaves instead all the things the Panasonic G85 does better instead, which makes it the better buy in the end. 

56 minutes ago, Aussie Ash said:

....will be offered from May 15th

Did you mean perhaps a few weeks earlier.... on April the 1st?

You can clearly see it here in the trailer at the one minute mark, with a Rokinon Cine lens:

But was the film itself filmed on a Blackmagic?! 

55 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

But I must admit a Nikon D750 with the lenses you have can get the job done also. Pretty colors out of the Nikon.

With his current two lenses (because they're both FF. How did you exist with nothing wider than 24mm on APS-C?? :-o ) he could very easily transition from the D7000 to a D750.

1 hour ago, Neumann Films said:

Quite excited to just talk openly about this...

Why not start now? ;-)