Danyyyel

The thing is with what will you intercut it with. 90% of movies/advert shots are done on the Alexa 2.8k sensor. Most people on forum like this don't understand that. 99% of production won't deal with 8k footage.

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You mean the one where everyone is in the shadows under a winter sun, yes we are in winter here in the southern hemisphere. Aslo that is super dark in the night seen. Yes I have seen those.

On all non theatrical release I have been on it was all about Alexa's. They will just upscale it. Do you think netflix will refuse a very good story with good actors etc because it was shot in 2.8 k and now every camera shoots in 4k. 12k is another ball mark, even 8k is a waste, because as I said before, bigger the screen, the further people will watch it, unless they want to watch a film like watching a tennis match.
 

so the target is also wrong, medium/big companies have the money to rent an Alexa, why they will pick up this new boy in town?, and the rest, SOLO shooters, we have many other best options out there, a waste of time, except for fan boys and STOCK FOOTAGE SHOOTERS!!!

One thing it's what you prefer and other thing it's what's clients and market prefers. And that's where Canon and Sony are kings. That's why I asked for the market of this camera.
DP/Owner: Sony and Canon are better for rental and are more demanded.
Film/Media: FX9 and C300 are Netflix approved.
Digital/Ads: Alexa/Sony/Canon colors are always preferred.
Slow Motion: Rent a RED/Phantom.
The $10-$15K market it's really hard to just try to entry with a resolution race where most professionals are comfortable shooting 2K/4K, prioritizing image quality against any resolution.
 

for stock I agree, is a great camera, who else need it?, for interviews I will choose a C200 or C300 every day of the week, I have DPAF, I do it SOLO, if the guy is moving a lot, don't care, I still get nice footage.

I m a bit sceptical too, the DR is lower than the G2 and unless you shoot landscapes, who need that much resolution ? I spent two weeks softening models skins recently with footage from the 4.6k and that already too much if you use modern glass ( They are selling their new colour science with models with flawless skins, it s  nice but that not the norm )
 
I was more expecting a Phantom camera competitor, with that amount of data, they could have done a 1000fps 4k camera with no crop .

In raw?  how do you shoot lower resolution raw format. I saw same thing with Nikon Z6 raw output from a 6k sensor to a 4k one. They had to line skip and it introduced moire and aliasing. This was from 6 to 4k, now imagine from 12k to 4k?

That's a joke, what pro's will burden themselves on 12k.

WOW I would like to see that, I have a Rizen 7 3800 8 core 16 thread processor with a Radeon V (the second fastest GPU after Nvidia 2080TI) and .265 fuji XT3 with around 4 to six node on a 1080 timeline shutters. Did you do it typical style with many tracks etc like normal editing.

Does it if you have like 6 nodes with some power windows etc... H2.65 plays smoothly on my set up, start to add some nodes and you have to revert to proxy files. Now imagine the typical TV shows I have been working on with two 2.8k arri Alexa's, transitioning to that. So 2 12k camera with at least 3 backup. It would be like 3 to 4x what they already have even with the best estimates. I don't see this camera going to get any traction in film and TV shows. And I guess that most of that super color info BMD is talking about is going be loss with these compression anyway.

On all non theatrical release I have been on it was all about Alexa's. They will just upscale it. Do you think netflix will refuse a very good story with good actors etc because it was shot in 2.8 k and now every camera shoots in 4k. 12k is another ball mark, even 8k is a waste, because as I said before, bigger the screen, the further people will watch it, unless they want to watch a film like watching a tennis match.
 

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You mean the one where everyone is in the shadows under a winter sun, yes we are in winter here in the southern hemisphere. Aslo that is super dark in the night seen. Yes I have seen those.

Luddite... 🙄 I've been shooting Weddings in 4K since 2014, whilst the BBC still only have SD and HD channels.   When we get 4K and even 8K channels, trust me, I'll be looking at 8K and 12K cameras.  
If others do need 12K and 8K, then this camera is for them now.  I'm gonna make a jump to 6K, which is still higher resolution than anything I see on 📺 

quick question... where do you guys watch 8k material? or even 4k?

Ohhhhh.... tell me more about the timecode syncing with GPS time??

This might be then a perfect match with this:
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/06/26/dish-tc-pro-universal-timecode/
 

Holy shit. This guy needs to learn to use cameras before he starts making videos about them. What the hell. 

The z6 is a great camera for video and stills.  It blows away the A7III and is better than the EOS R.    The reason people on the EOS don't give it a serious look baffles me also.  
The media / press jumped on the Z6 for a number of unwarranted things that just aren't true.  Nikon is not very good at getting the word out and having professionals use the Z6 like they should have. 

What I am really sad is that people on site like here (because believe me a lot of people are using the Z for video in Nikon groups etc) don't  give a serious look at what Nikon is doing. As a d810, d750 to the D70 15 years ago user, the most enjoyable camera I have used are my 2 z6. As a hybrid shooter I can just flick a button and switch from video or photo mode.
Now for me the z6 could have been a little bigger, double card slot and 4k 60p and 10 bit and log internal. The double card slot and 4k 60p seems to be coming in a next update about September, october. I would really really like a 10 bit and internal log, it would be a dream come true, but at least if it is not possible with current tech (look at overheating in R5 R6) you have the possibility to use the Ninja V. I mean if a z6 with a Ninja V is too big for anyone, I am out of breath. I mean it is smaller than using an entry level camera like the Nikon D3500 and a flash. And if you do any video seriouly that need 10 bit and Log you will have to carry tripods or Ronin etc.
Now the good part, the z6 is the best experience shooting I have. I mean with the fantastic viewfinder, excellent IBIS, touch screen and best of all autofocus, I can shoot handheld like doing photos. For reportage style that I do for a well known worldwide broadcaster, it is a game changer. Doing B-rolls don't need to put on a tripod anymore. Except for very smooth pan or walking shot that I will use tripod, stabilizer or interview setup and higher end job. The auto-focus is super good and getting better with every extra firmware update. Last year when it was about buying a BM camera to compliment the z6 (60fps 4k and eventually raw) the auto-focus killed that though. This combined with slowmo 120fps at 1080p gives such good quality. That 120 fps is underrated, even if it 1080p it is still gorgeous. I would hope even a 4k 120 fps or even a crop or a 2,7k version, just to intercut it a bit closer to the 4k.
Now it terms of usability, you have 3 U setting button that I configured to 24, 60 and 120 fps with all corresponding shutter speed. I would have liked for them to have included banks that I could choose because I live in a Pal country but shoot for an American one and also for creative job shoot at 24 fps. There are two user configurable button in the front and have configured on to swith from FX to DX mode and the other for changing focus mode. You also have a very nice rear touch LCD with rapid menu that you can also configure to your need. In the end the z6 is the most versatile and ergonomic camera I have ever use. I can change aperture, shutter speed and ISO just with my thumb and upper finger.
Now there are things I have been experimenting lately with the the app, where I can sync timecode using the automatic time which uses gps etc, and rack focusing with it.
 
 

Its extraordinary how people are misinformed about Nikon. I mean is it perfect, no, but which 2k camera is. firstly about construction, the Z line construction is as good as it gets. Its not me or some anecdotal feeling but expert in camera construction. Many feel bigger is better, I myself find it to be a little small but in this world, doing a d850 size mirrorless is suicide. For me I have the smallrig cage permanently on now, it givesme a better overall grip and I prefer bigger cameras anyway, but I understand them with the Mirroless must be small Jihadist.  This tells you how good it is constructed, there was a pro wildlife photographer that told about his experience in the artic where the D850 stopped working at extreme temperatures while his Z still worked until very very low. 
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-nikon-z7-mirrorless-camera/
 
 

What I am really sad is that people on site like here (because believe me a lot of people are using the Z for video in Nikon groups etc) don't  give a serious look at what Nikon is doing. As a d810, d750 to the D70 15 years ago user, the most enjoyable camera I have used are my 2 z6. As a hybrid shooter I can just flick a button and switch from video or photo mode.
Now for me the z6 could have been a little bigger, double card slot and 4k 60p and 10 bit and log internal. The double card slot and 4k 60p seems to be coming in a next update about September, october. I would really really like a 10 bit and internal log, it would be a dream come true, but at least if it is not possible with current tech (look at overheating in R5 R6) you have the possibility to use the Ninja V. I mean if a z6 with a Ninja V is too big for anyone, I am out of breath. I mean it is smaller than using an entry level camera like the Nikon D3500 and a flash. And if you do any video seriouly that need 10 bit and Log you will have to carry tripods or Ronin etc.
Now the good part, the z6 is the best experience shooting I have. I mean with the fantastic viewfinder, excellent IBIS, touch screen and best of all autofocus, I can shoot handheld like doing photos. For reportage style that I do for a well known worldwide broadcaster, it is a game changer. Doing B-rolls don't need to put on a tripod anymore. Except for very smooth pan or walking shot that I will use tripod, stabilizer or interview setup and higher end job. The auto-focus is super good and getting better with every extra firmware update. Last year when it was about buying a BM camera to compliment the z6 (60fps 4k and eventually raw) the auto-focus killed that though. This combined with slowmo 120fps at 1080p gives such good quality. That 120 fps is underrated, even if it 1080p it is still gorgeous. I would hope even a 4k 120 fps or even a crop or a 2,7k version, just to intercut it a bit closer to the 4k.
Now it terms of usability, you have 3 U setting button that I configured to 24, 60 and 120 fps with all corresponding shutter speed. I would have liked for them to have included banks that I could choose because I live in a Pal country but shoot for an American one and also for creative job shoot at 24 fps. There are two user configurable button in the front and have configured on to swith from FX to DX mode and the other for changing focus mode. You also have a very nice rear touch LCD with rapid menu that you can also configure to your need. In the end the z6 is the most versatile and ergonomic camera I have ever use. I can change aperture, shutter speed and ISO just with my thumb and upper finger.
Now there are things I have been experimenting lately with the the app, where I can sync timecode using the automatic time which uses gps etc, and rack focusing with it.
 
 

Not necessarily. Canon have been releasing bodies with multiple DIGIC processors for quite a while now - mostly in the 1D series, but the 7D Mark II had dual DIGICs as well. Most likely Nikon's next Expeed processor isn't anywhere near ready for release yet, and they figured slapping a second one in there was good enough for what I'm guessing are incremental updates.

Nikon Rumors is an extremely photography focused website, no surprise if they're light on the video spec details. Plus this is only the first ever leaked info about the Z6s, more info should be yet to come. Hopefully including the likes of internal N-Log / 10bit / etc! (and my own personal wishlist: TC input and waveforms!!)
 
1) I have slightly more faith in the future of Z Mount (which is backed by half of the historically dominant Canikon) than L Mount (which is supported by two super tiny niche camera body brands of Leica / Sigma, plus a small/midsized company which is Panasonic that has its interests split across at least two mounts already)
2) Nikon F mount lenses work far better on a Z6 than a S1
3) Z6 has the Z50 baby brother to share lenses with, the S1 doesn't. 
4) the Z6 is cheaper secondhand than the S1 by a couple of hundred bucks (and much cheaper than an R6, will take a while until the R6 prices drift down really low onto the secondhand market seeing as how the R6 isn't even released yet)

I hear you @Danyyyel and agree that the Z6s could be just about perfect. For my needs anyway and their lens line up is great; 20mm, 35mm and 85mm f1.8’s over 2 bodies... Nails it for me.
Nikon underwhelmed a bit when they launched their mirrorless but I agree in that they do seem underrated and overlooked.
I think there has been more than a bit of an element of going stir crazy these last 3-4 months which has given most of us too much time to overthink stuff in absence of doing.
I just wrote a list of what I need and am sticking to that and trying not to listen to the noise.

Yep, their are some strategic errors they did and are supposed to correct in the S line which is closer to a 1.9 version. Double card slot for one and that thing of not putting a fully rotating back screen baffles me as they had one in the D5600. It is as if sometimes they want to be beaten. For the lens somehow I will cut them some slack because by the end of this month they will have released 16 lens, which are either very very good to exceptional. They have two pancake primes coming out in their timeline. I think the z5 is easy to make with more or less z6 part and they can tap into a lot more people for a full frame 1000 to 1200 camera which might be as compact as the z50.