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On 2/13/2025 at 2:48 PM, eatstoomuchjam said:
I just watched the PetaPixel review. That sucker has a 95mm front thread! That's another minus when paired with a camera that has no internal ND filters - and last time I checked, nobody had any sort of clip-in inline filter for the K-X yet (or if there were any, they were expensive enough that I ignored them). Kolari have one for the OG Komodo, but it doesn't fit the X.
PP didn't mentioned whether the lens was parfocal - judging by the lack of back focus adjustment lever, I'm guessing it's not completely, potentially relying on autofocus for that (which isn't ideal when shooting Red, where the AF is right on the line of usable/unusable which means you get tempted to use it and then pissed off when it doesn't work right).
Also, it's focus-by-wire which, as long as it can be set to linear response in camera, is potentially OK, but it's going to piss off a lot of filmmakers. That and zoom being by wire also might actually be some slight benefit here because it might mean that one can set them to work in the correct direction, unlike nearly every other Nikon lens ever made.
So basically, Komodo-X with Z mount, potentially cool. Wonder if they'll offer a retrofit service and/or do the same for OG Komodo.
Komodo-X combo with this lens? Hard pass from me.
I use 95mm filters on my Titlta Mirage matte box, Vasis and Tilta have a set of round 95mm in the 60 USD range.
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Nikon GM saying, they intend to leverage some of RED tech into their cameras. My guess would be at least REDcode Raw and their LOG workflow. I was looking at a 12bit Nraw vs 14 bit NEF raw (Photo) and their was quite a difference in terms of detail in the shadows that would make it great a 14 bit REDraw codec in camera.
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On 7/8/2024 at 9:52 AM, MrSMW said:
Hmmm, seen a couple of reports now that DR at base ISO is quite a bit lower than the previous gen sensor Zf/Z6II.
This is a bit disappointing because until fairly recently, I had only one interest in the Z6III and that is it would essentially take the capability of the Zf but host it in a Z6 style body.
Catches up by around 640/800 ISO or thereabouts I believe which is at least something.
Any video capability was secondary to me and for my stills needs, it's gone backwards...
Yes, I wanted better/faster AF, one of my criticisms of the Z6II is that it's slooooooow compared with the Zf, but the handling of the Zf is terrible next to the Z6 style body. And when a battery grip is involved, that gap increases still further.
As an out and out 'sports' camera, sure, things have improved, but image quality, of which DR is a HUGE component for me, has gone backwards.
Which is partly why I went to Sony and an A7RV for my stills needs.
But having said that, my first job with the Sony did not go so well and after some modifications, I'm interested to see how this second job has gone. Downloading it right now and it will be make or break for this camera.
If it's the latter, then I'm not sure what I will do because if the Sony is not what I needed it to be and if the Z6III possibly is not the answer I hoped it would be, so maybe the Z8 or Z9 are possibilities...
We just seem to keep making a step forward and then having to also take a step back! For my needs anyway.
I would advice anyone to wait a little bit. This is someone who did a latitude test with the Z6ii and 3 side by side for photo. My guess Raw video should be close. As can be seen, they are very close. Lowe, doesn't mean bad unless you are some youtuber in search of clicks.
In his test, we are 3 above (Might be 2.5) stops, and 5 to 7 stops under depending on your noise detail tolerance. Now, if we go to CineD examples that include everything from GH5 to the Alexa 35. Some things to take into consideration is that I am refering to the LAB test lattittude which I think is much real life than the Imatest one. Secondly they test everything resized to 1080p and do apply some NR to see to what best level they can go.
So, the least that z6iii is I would say to be about 2.5 above and 6 stops under. That would be among the best Sony sensor base Latitude test before the Burano. The Z9 was around those numbers. At best reduced to 1080p and NR you could be 3 above and 6 under, that is 9 stops that is Red raptor level, or even 3 to 7 under, that would be 10 stops and you are at original Alexa level!!! Now I don't know if it can be that good, because it is not exact same test and I am extrapolating at all. What is sure is that at 100 ISO, i think the original Z6 sensor was very very close to the Alexa. And so people don't think I am completely fabulizing, look at the latest test of the Burano, reaching about Alexa level https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/
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On 7/3/2024 at 5:55 AM, gethin said:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon Z 6III
I was assuming the 24mp sensor would give me better video dynamic range than the z8 (and maybe nicer hightlight rolloff), but this isn't too promising.
Really am starting to think about moving to L-mount. Have a much greater range of cameras to choose fromIF I was you, I would wait a little bit until a CineD lab test. As shown with the Z9 test, between synthetic benchmark and real life latitude test, the result can be very different. Same for the Sony Burano which with the Z9 scored poorly in the imatest test, were for Nikon about the highest Sony based sensor camera with 8 to 9 stop (Even better than the Sony Venice 2), and The Burano, which with its 10 stops latitude, is the first camera to equal the original Arri Alev sensor.
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6 hours ago, zlfan said:
this is about 40 MB/s. about the same as redcode 42. compression ratio is about 8. workable but not the best quality.
This is the normal bitrate, they have a higher bitrate one, it at least give you the capability to shoot raw at what used to be normal h264/265 bitrate.
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So does Niko support LUT or not. I saw reference to th functionality that you can create your own look in Nx studio, but now it is referred to lut???
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9 minutes ago, bjohn said:
Right, but that's why he tested with and without NR. Sony applies NR in-camera and you can't remove it, so he added some NR in Resolve to mimic what Sony was doing for a more fair comparison. But he showed both the super-high Imatest result plus the "real world" lower actual DR you'd get on the Z6iii.
Yes I understand he did balance it, which is good, but as shown by the CineD test I posted you can go from the worst like what people thought of the Z9 to best in class, to even best in the country as with the Burano.
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8 hours ago, John Matthews said:
This is what I keep finding in France:
The pricing is also consistent with the Nikon ZF, which is also $700 more expensive (after conversion). There's no doubt about it- Nikon asks a lot more from Europeans and seems to be far more competitive in the USA. It's not unheard of though. You can get an iMac for $1200 at B&H or the same one for about $450 more in Europe. The Sony A7iv is $2500 at B&H but not much more in Europe (2500 euros). I think it's really about company policy.
What confuses me about pricing is that the Z6ii was launched at 2200 euros and $2000 respectively. With the Z6iii, Nikon is really going out of the "low-end full frame" market by bumping up the MSRP to 3000 euros. I'd always thought Nikon was more of a value brand, bang for the buck over Canon. I don't know what to think. Maybe there will be another low-end FF camera from Nikon?
I am seeing the price of the Zf already quite discounted at 2100 Euro (Some site I don't know even have it at 1700 Euro). I don't know if it is sale period or normal price now, because it is 350 euro below launched price. My guess is that Nikon is putting high launch prices for early buyers and true prices tend to come 6 month/1 year after launch. So it depends on each and everyone patience, as true price tend to settle after these first months.
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8 minutes ago, bjohn said:
Did you watch Gerald's review? He tested DR in Nlog and h.265 on different timelines (4K vs 6K), with and without noise reduction, and even with different log curves; the DR is better if you apply a Vlog (Panasonic) curve to NRaw.
Yep, and this is why I said to go and watch latitude test on CineD. Before the CineD lab test I did not understand why people were saying Canon was faking its DR by using NR on its RAW files, now I know. Imatest is a synthetic test, you just have to apply a little NR on your footage and it might think the shadows are super clean. Look at Gerald's test of the Z8 h265 test, the thing is he got like an extraordinary number that he found out was due to extra NR on the z8 h265 footage and at the start of the file, that the imatest was fooled.
Now look at the lab test at CineD. You will see above that the Xyla/Imatest result aren't that good compared to most other cameras, but watch the latitude test below. While most Sony sensors even the Venice 2 are at best 8 stops of latitude the Z9 is a solid eight and room for nine!!! https://www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Same for the Sony Burano, Which is even better as it reaches 10 stops of DR, the first camera to reach the Alexa Alev classic DR. https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/
You can see clearly when you analyze the different camera test, that the latitude test is much more real life DR of a sensor than the synthetic Xyla/imatest measurement.
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1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:
I've managed to obtain the full breakdown of this hidden socialist import duty racket that makes cameras so expensive here.
Its an absolute disgrace.
Just wait and see how much it cost to use an ambulance in the US, you get 4 Z6iii for one trip. LOL
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3 minutes ago, zlfan said:
the gap between something like z6 iii vs alexa family is getting narrower and narrower. at certain point, alexa will be truly niche product like leica s system.
I think the big move of Alexa to broadcast during the last month, with multi system, is a big clue that this model of 50+ USD cinema camera is a bit at an end. Arri is focusing on the broadcast field as it is still the industry that are investing tens of thousands of dollars in cameras. What the recent sale of RED shows is that the niche camera makers aren't as much valuable as people were thinking.
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2 hours ago, Emanuel said:
I'd say this one in the U.S. 😆 and BMCC6K-FF are those the bets of today : )
Don't invite me for higher than that as far as price range concerns especially when overheating issues are far to be solved... : P Those are not professional capture devices, they are a pain in the ass, not a reliable camera for professional use. The use of lower resolution recording modes serves too little, these don't help either or why someone is buying them, after all?! : X
Their is a test I posted above which is quite good. Something I don't understand is the concept of professionals. Today their is hundred of thousands more event and wedding people working with these hybrid cameras than those working with Arri Alexa on set. And these tools have made the general level of videography much higher than two decades ago.
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16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
It isn't a faster readout.
Z9 is 45 megapixel!
The Z6 III only has to read 24
So the very marginal benefit in RS is due to the lower megapixel count... 6K vs 8K, not a faster chip architecture.
Yes, but in the end we are getting what would be called very fast readout. Their is not much faster in the industry unless you go RED global shutter, the Arri Alexa has readout of 7.2 Ms, the Sony Fx3 8.4ms.
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2 hours ago, bjohn said:
Gerald Undone did test dynamic range in his video review; he didn't experience any overheating but hey, he's in Canada and he admitted that his testing environment wasn't very warm.
It does seem like a great camera; wish the IBIS was better....I think Panasonic still has the lead there.
The guy in this video did a brutal test in direct sun from Texas and the camera came out surprisingly good. It is as from 9min 50. As for DR, I will wait for CineD lattitude test, Nikon implementation of their Nlog is so contrasty that it gives very bad result. In CineD lattitude test the z9 scored a solid 8 going to 8.5- 9 stop latitude. While most Sony's prior to the Burano where around 8 stops. Which scored a good 10!!! The only camera to equal the original Arri Alexa sensor.
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4 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:
No, its not stacked fast. Its just faster than non-stacked sensors.
For video Gerald undone got 9.5ms, which is faster than the z9 and Canon R5 about 13-15 ms. So for video it is very fast.
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4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:
Here's my take on it
When it comes out at 3000 euros, you will be much better off spending the $100 less for a used Z8!
After the price depreciates by about 2000 euros in 2 years, then it's a different proposition, I'll take ten.
Once it hits the price of the Z6 (still nice BTW and better lowlight + DR for photos), sitting on eBay for £500 then I might even by an eleventh.
But even then, I'm not sure I will need 6K/60p or want to put up with the file sizes in RAW. Which begs the question why bother, what else is on the table that it offers?
And the RAW codecs just don't have that RAW look that a proper Cinema DNG codec has on a proper RAW camera like the Sigma Fp-L, especially in terms of noise and grain texture.
I also think that the Japanese keep making cameras and images cleaner, sharper, better...
Whereas the artist in me is starting to get very bored of that and looking for something different and more analogue.
On the lenses side it's the same.
So no the Z6 III doesn't really float my boat, especially not for 3000 euro.
When the Sony A1 II comes out at $6k by the way, keep an eye on A1 OG prices... These may well be close to the Z6 III and Z8 soon.
That 8K H.265 500Mbit/s 10bit 422 it does is the nicest one of all... and this is coming from an ex-Z9 owner....it is better than the 6K Z6 III N-RAW... Yet with an essential plus....a much more manageable size of recording.
I don't know the bitrate of the this new z6iii for sure, but on the z9, you have the 4.1 K raw mode, that is half of the sensor readout, and at 24 fps it is about 350 mbs!!! Since I have known this, everything a bit high-end and not long take I use it. The resolution is 4128 x 2322, so the 6k in the z6iii would be about twice that, so about 700 mbit, which is not much higher than 500 mbit h2.65.
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5 hours ago, John Matthews said:
Why is it that Nikon hits Europeans so hard. USA price is roughly $2500 at B&H (with their credit card scheme) and in Europe it's 3000 euros ($3215) with tax. In Panasonic world, the prices are almost always lower in Europe than in the USA. That's a heavy hit.
I don't understand, it was said at launch the price would be 2650 Euros and 3000 with the 24-70!!! What has happened since then.
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Just now, Davide DB said:
Was going to post this, 6k raw at less than 10 ms. As he says, this is banana's. They use that new tech of partial stacked sensors to reduce the price and still give great speed.
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12 hours ago, KnightsFan said:
I'm a software engineer for a VR company. As someone who uses VR 2-5 days a week, I have no desire to wear a headset more than I absolutely have to. I've tried a variety of models, including the Vision Pro. It's fun to experience VR the first few times, but in terms of physical comfort, sitting on a couch with a 65" screen and a subwoofer is way better than watching films on a headset, even considering the 3d factor. If you add a few people in, I would MUCH rather sit on a couch than both wear headsets and pretend we're watching the same thing.
Not to diminish what you enjoy of course! We all have different preferences 🙂 However most people I talk to are roughly in my camp, especially those of us who are in VR on a regular basis. The novelty wore off. We'd rather text than talk in VR with avatars.
Gaming, on the other hand, is a lot of fun. I like VR games. I like how they introduce unique motor skills (you actually have to aim your hand and hold it steady to get a headshot!). I think to get widespread VR adoption, all the big companies need to do is make a game that is properly fun and polished. The hardware is fine as is it's the content that's lacking. I haven't tried anything that truly felt blockbuster quality.
I think people just don't understand "I don't need to look behind me during a horror film, or explore the environment in a war movie etc etc. I mean their is a reason a movie is a movie, as you said, I just lay down, relax and get transported in another world, another story etc. Sometimes you just want to have to do nothing.
VR has its place and for 4 decades, and it is games. I have stopped gaming but both have mature in their own ways because it is how people enjoy them.
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What a waste of space, I mean I have a Z9, I always use 4k mode and zero sharpening because it is already too detailed. Once I had the misfortune of using the 4k from 8k output on older people, that thing was so hard to blur the skin as it was so detailed. What is the use of using such resolution then to put all types softening filters.
How come expensive camera's look so much better?
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Apart from the Alexa DR advantage, their is no huge difference in sensor from a Sony FX3 and a Venise ii. You just have to watch the test from CineD. In fact the likes of the Nikon Z9 (Sony based sensor), is better than the Venise ii in the true DR test, That is the latitude test. My guess because they privilege's speed over Noise/DR.