Danyyyel
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Does anyone know about rolling shutter in those 8k modes?
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On 12/21/2019 at 8:33 PM, Mark Romero 2 said:
Thank you for the explanation.
Can you clarify for me what "ISP" means though in the statement, "ISP can affect DR as well - by applying noise reduction," as I am unfamiliar with the term ISP.
I am sure it is something simple, just can't think of it right now. My grasp of the English language is tenuous at best since I am a product of the public education system in the USA.
Nice video showing dynamic range capabilities of the Nikon z6 raw compared to flat and log. There is clearly a good gain in the highlight with RAW and it is quite impressive.
Nice
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6 hours ago, Deadcode said:
Fair enough response ?
But at least i know how to get the most ouf of my camera
RAW is way overrated, and mostly praised by people who shoot flower shots in the garden.
As a photographer who has shot raw for 15 years, you don't know what you are talking about. I have used mainly 12 bit because I remember the time when we were all talking about 12 vs 14 bit raw and the difference was microscopic. Since then thse type of things like people complaining about 4k or 6k etc are moot to me. There will always be a bunch of nerds who will discuss ad nauseam about the .1 % difference between X and Y.
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Some really nice highlight recovery in this video, I don't understand everything as I don't speak German.
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45 minutes ago, gethin said:
No 14+stop on the z6. The d800 supposedly has 13.something stops and the z6 does not reach the same levels of dr. I get the feeling it could if they turned up the active d-lighting. Anyhoo the blacks are way noisier than the d800, I'd guess 12 usable stops at most (which would still be awesome)
Since DxO has been the most consistent camera sensor benchmark and has got the z6 at 14.3 stop. Now there are other DR benchmark that goes stricker (Noise level) but then everyone goes down by those measure. If everyone has shot with the king of DR will know it has also has some noise. As a raw still shooter with a d800 and z6, I know that the z6 is very very high DR and has less that pinkish color in the shadows than older Nion bodies like the d750. In the end, the z6 and any other Nikon for the last 4-8 years, have a ton of DR, I mean a ton. I am was not a fan of shooting RAW, because of file size and the fact I am on PC and use Davinci. But this is warming on me, for specific job, it might warrant the size and inconvenience. https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-z-6-sensor-review-targeted-performance/
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9 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:
probably 13 max
Yep, every Nikon (Sony Sensor) since the D800 have had 14+ stop of DR and now just magically they would go as low as 13 MAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXXXXXXX. If it was a Sony, I am sure it would be 15 stop 8 bit h2.64 glory.
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Very balance story about Nikon Z6 Prores Raw. One exciting thing is his talk about very good Dynamic range which you can also shoot at 100 ISO. It looks like it will mirror the stills raw experience. So we can expect depending on your tolerance to noise, 14+ stop of 12 bit imagery.
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43 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:
Yeah pretty nice, looks like the nicest image of the current mirrorless/dslr supply atm. Allthough external RAW on a external monitor to prores raw which isnt supported in davinci resolve is quite the dealbreaker for me. No point in recording raw If I cant use it. So hopefully BM will pick prores raw up pretty soon, otherwise I cant even consider this camera. Lets see what the A7S III will do, but 1DXIII and RED komodo already have my attention.
As someone with 2 z6, I am in same position
The thing is that we are a bit in the middle of a 3 way fight. BM seems to want to push its BMraw and not that ready to implement Prores raw. Only if they have a ton of clients from film industry using a lot Prores Raw that I think they will do it. Secondly, I was hopeful that we could get BMRAW from the new BM recorder bu it seems that Nikon did colaborate a lot with Atomos and I think they should have some arrangement that will forbid Nikon at least for some time to do the same with another company like BM. The last is the antagonism between Atomos and BM. I don't see Atomos putting BMraw in its recorder any day.
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17 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:
EDIT: Sorry that was incorrect.
Yep, the bashing continues, how dare a company give RAW video only in 1080p, must be Nikon, ohhhhhhh shit I did not read it well.
Another Atomos video, this one shows much more challenging colors
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3 hours ago, crevice said:
That $200 fee isn’t because of Apple or Red. That $200 fee is because of bad oversight on hardware and not planning hardware design properly from the get go by Nikon. The need for a $695 Atomos Ninja V is because of Red’s patent and the same goes for the S1H. But the S1H does not need hardware modification, because they planned properly. Regardless, neither of these things are a fault of Apple. Apple was actually fighting for us in a way - believe it or not - since they were disputing the patent, claiming you shouldn’t be able to patent shooting internal RAW.
So in conclusion, this is 100 percent on them. It’s the Ninja V portion that isn’t on them or Panasonic.
Hey, another guy super pissed because Nikon gave us the low budget filmakers, the first (announcement) raw capable full frame camera for less than 2k. How bad they are of not having planned that after releasing the first full frame 10 bit camera just 15 month ago, something people have been praying for like at least 5 years. That they would give require only a $ 200 upgrade for the holly grail of filmmaking image quality. Here we are after 13 years and the Canon 5D large sensor camera revolution, having to pay 200$ is some kind of scandale, to not only get a raw camera but a damn fucking good camera...
A very well made solid and very reliable peace of kit (I work in a tropical Island and been in very very humid hot environment from beaches, mangrove and tropical forest) with no problem until now.
Superb ergonomic, I can shoot without leaving the eye from the viewfinder...
A superb viewfinder that make me forget that I am looking through a EVF, the backscreen is also very good
Then Add the IBIS and the nice grip and you can shoot handheld. I mean I have rig my 2 z6 with a cage because even for photo I prefer a little bigger camera. But many people think you are shooting photos as it is so small and no need to rig it at all.
And best of all, superb out of camera colors and images. The 4k quality is just superb with very good 120fps HD. I would like the same 4k in 60 and 120 fps, but I can understand its for another model.
Add to that a fast number of lens that are optically exceptional and the possibility to adapt about every other lens with Nikon super shallow flange distance.
I almost forget, very good video autofocus.
It the end, it makes for a killer video camera, now with RAWWWWWWWWWWW video. But guess what people will complain how Nikon did or didn't do XYZ to what effectively is a $ 2000 body/firmware full frame camera, as effectively the z6 is at $ 1800 now, add a Ninja V for another 650. That same Ninja will get you so many shooting features beyond just recording that you won't find on any other video camera below 6-7 k.
I would recommend any people in shooting Raw (which is not my case for now, as I use Resolve), if you can try the z6 for a little time, at worst you can have a refurbish one for 1400 that you can then add the raw upgrade and ninja for about 2.1k overall. You will also be able to add almost all lens that cover FF or Apsc and test it. Don't listen to the naysayers. It is a very very good video camera.
And yet, a year after launch of the z6, they would also give the holly grail of
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For those Canon users that want to get 10 bit or even RAW output and have a ton of EF lens. Autofocus seem's to work well for photo and video in their video.
https://www.fringeradapter.com/blog/fringer-ef-nz-smart-adapter-engineering-sample-got-tested
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23 hours ago, Emanuel said:
He's a legend made by himself. Without him, we'd never have the prices as low as we have today. I heard this from the mouth of a Sony VP in person. The story on his health needs which taken him away to his deserved retirement is not new BTW. Just made public now. He's a warrior, this fight has years. He didn't stop, he kept it going.
As well his inventive market introductions. Massively distributed. Ahead of his time. Unique master of his craft. An example but for every producer. He is one of the key factors of the digital revolution. We owe him our tools of nowadays.
We really should appreciate gratitude. It's disgusting otherwise.
It depends on which camera market buyer you where. If you where in the Cine line of 30-100k camera, yes Red was a game changer. But for me anyone lower it was the Large Sensor Dslr market that was a game changer for anyone below that. If we have all the Canon, Sony, Pana large sensor camera in the 5 to 15K it is because of the accident that was the Canon 5d video.
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On 10/14/2019 at 2:07 PM, Otago said:
I think that lens is designed for a very particular type of Japanese camera collector / user. The same ones who buy those mint cameras on eBay and the Leica collectors editions, and that I follow on Instagram. If you don't have much space, but a high disposable income and the urge to collect then £8k camera lenses might be just the thing for you!
I wouldn't be surprised to see a beautiful leather bag for that lens and the Z7 that comes with its own cover bag to stop the bag getting damaged, they're not expecting professional users to buy it ?
Its extraordinary when people who are in video comment on a lens, that any mean beat every cinema lens and cost like 1/3 an Arri or Cooke. Before laughthing go and look at the result from Dpreview, the thing is out of this world, it beats the leica noctilux which cost 1/3 more. In fact I see this lens will have a place in many place in video/cinema use, more than photo.
But thinking about the last part, it is Z lens so won't fit on nearly anything. Some will perhaps just buy the z6 as an accessory for it.
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On 10/12/2019 at 3:29 AM, thebrothersthre3 said:
$600 for the Ninja V.
You can pretty easily find an Assassin for $500 and a Flame for under $600 used as well. Or a Ninja 2 for about $200 if you only need 1080, which is what I have.
With the price cuts and used market the Nikon Z6 is a great option imho. Has better 1080p than the S1 and the lens selection is a lot better. 12 bit prores RAW, which the S1 can't do only the S1H for $4000.
That said it really should have had 10 bit internal.Can you point me to a place where the Ninja V is 600. Everywhere I look, I see it is 700 USD and why did I put $ 800, because as the owner of a Ninja Flame you have factor the price of at least 2 Sony NPF battery and a charger and a SSD reader which at least would cost you another 100-150 USD.
On 10/11/2019 at 10:15 PM, wolf33d said:It's a piece of crap, just like the A6600. Only good work in APSC video now is from Fuji.
Panasonic does a really good work in video on M43 (good on FF but some massive caveats like the AF at that price point are unacceptable)
Fuji very good work in APSC.I hold the Fuji, I thought I was holding a toy, at least compared to my z6. I mean I know for many only image quality count but for me other thing like viewfinder, body ergonomics, construction, AF etc count. Those funky little fuji with retro hipster style beauty before functionality is not for me. Nowadays has become like an extension of my arm and I can do so much with it that I don't want to go back to anything that is not practical.
9 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:Can you point me to a place where the Ninja V is 600. Everywhere I look, I see it is 700 USD and why did I put $ 800, because as the owner of a Ninja Flame you have factor the price of at least 2 Sony NPF battery and a charger and a SSD reader which at least would cost you another 100-150 USD.
I hold a Fuji, or at least I tried. I thought I was holding a toy, at least compared to my z6. I mean I know for many only image quality count but for me other thing like viewfinder, body ergonomics, construction, AF etc count. Those funky little fuji with retro hipster style beauty before functionality is not for me. Nowadays has become like an extension of my arm and I can do so much with it that I don't want to go back to anything that is not practical.
The older 20.9 nikon sensor in the D500 had an excellent reputation in term of Low Light, I expect this one to be at least as good and in Fro Photos the Af was excelent.
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31 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:
XT30 is the same price with 10 bit output.
Yep but you still need to fork out another 800 for an external recorder.
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The xt3 today cost 450 more, I don't know when Nikon will update their video features like internal 10bit and 4k 60 fps, my guess for the Nikon D6 in the next few month and a second iteration of the z6 like they used to do an S version every two years before. The 120 fps slowmo is very good in my opinion.
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53 minutes ago, Cinegain said:
That! I liked my D5300 just fine, apart from the fact that it wasn't a mirrorless camera. Using liveview to take photos and the mirror flipping up and down like that was pretty annoying. They didn't have to stray that far from the D5600. Just make the damn thing mirrorless and give it IBIS, but nah, now you're getting a flipdown frontfacing screen and no IBIS. What the shizzle. Is this 2019 nearing 2020 still!? Stuff like the A6400 as well? Seems like progess is halting rather than making a few more jumps. Would be lovely to have nice S35 counterparts of what Panasonic is doing with MFT...
I think they are leaving room for a higher end DX camera with IBIS etc. It seems no one wants to give ibis under 1000. I guess we will have + 1k model as it is too much of a gap between the 2k z6 and this $ 850 model that will soon be 700-800. I see one model below that and one above in the dx line. I guess they won't continue long with their dslr dx line. When you see the af performance in the Jared Polin test, no one is going back to buy any camera withoud nearly full sensor AF and eye AF.
They just published this
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1 minute ago, Mako Sports said:
Jello/RS - Its nothing to do with the sensor, thats how fast the processor can read it.
No its both and I would say sensor first. Sensor have some kind of refresh rate, that is the amount of data they can read and send out to the processor. Most of the recent sony have the latest bionz processor, its the sensor that seems to be still old tech and you can understand it from their strategy because they have more or less abandoned the apsc market until recently.
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It looks quite a solid camera, if the quality of the 4k and 120 fps FHD is about same as the z6 then it is a very good camera. I mean it is a 800 usd camera and what makes me more existed is the fact it is not the typical Sony APSC 24 megapixel A6400 type sensor, you know the jello sensor. Another thing to consider is that it is 20.9 megapixel sensor. The Nikoon d500 sensor had very good low light 20 megapixel sensor and if it is base on that, it should be quite good in low light.
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Having used the z6, I personally don't know the criticism some have. I cannot say how much I like the quality I get out of it. This is an absolute beauty of a video shot entirely on the z6.
- IronFilm, Castorp and Simon Young
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So Nikon just release its Apsc mirrorless camera in the z50. So looks quite pack with features with one big omission being IBIS. There are also some controversy if the 4k video (24, 25, 30p) is full sensor or crop sensor. Dpreview says its crop while even Nikon Canada says it is full sensor. No mention of 10bit even external or a headphone jack.
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On 8/28/2019 at 3:07 PM, nathlas said:
terrible choice by Nikon.
It would be better to release e new body instead of that.
Night and day people where talking about modular camera etc. Now it would be better to buy another completely new camera for at least 2k.
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3 hours ago, IANWHITE said:
GoPro is about to release its Hero 8, I really hope that this time they can surprise me with some blockbusting features... Though through all the rumors and leaks till now, the updates of H8 are not quite attractive to me... With GoPro H7 being so buggy, I also hope that H8 can be a great stepup.
Just stumbled on an interesting article about the competition between GoPro and DJI after I found that yesterday DJI has released a new firmware for Osmo Action right before the release of GoPro H8 , the intention was very clear. But it seems the latest fw of OA doesn't bring any thrilling updates, I guess I'll wait and see how will GoPro fight back this time.
What Firware is that, can't see anything just coming out.
My thoughts on the Canon EOS R5 8K monstrosity - 1TB footage per 50 minutes
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The thing is with what will you intercut it with. 90% of movies/advert shots are done on the Alexa 2.8k sensor. Most people on forum like this don't understand that. 99% of production won't deal with 8k footage.