Emanuel

You rock @kye You're the kind of technical expertise skilled individual at professional level no matter how amateur sometimes you claim to be LOL : P every film producer would like to have nearby! : ) When/if you'll decide to come closer, let people here know! ;- )

4 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I have a few back-bone modded cameras.  Usability tends to be a bit of a challenge.  When they say they have the best luck with HDMI, I believe them completely.  The cameras that I have are...
Yi 4K+ - borderline unusable.  No HDMI output, fairly high latency over wifi, minimal or no ability to punch in on internal screen.  Can be OK if you can lock focus in a spot and leave it there (like for mounting on a car).  C/CS mount w/ 1/2.3" sensor.
Hero 7 - More usable than Yi, still really hard to use.  HDMI output has insane lag.  Wifi tolerable, can punch in on internal screen in photo mode (and maybe in a limited fashion in video?  It's been a bit).  C/CS mount w/ 1/2.3" sensor
Insta360 One R 1" edition - My "gold standard" - No HDMI output available, wifi lag acceptable, double tap on internal screen to punch in makes it the easiest of the bunch to focus.  Passive Micro 4/3 mount w/ 1" sensor.

I wish the One R could do wired preview to an iPhone, but at least mine only seems to have an option for wired Android connection (maybe the One RS body improves that?  I should double-check whether I have one).  If it could do wired preview with low latency, it would be completely usable (though with poor dynamic range).

Anyway, I keep an EF adapter on my One R and occasionally mount it to the back of a telephoto lens to turn it into a super telephoto (5.7k 1" sensor + EF 100-400L = 1080mm lens - add 1.4x teleconverter for 1500mm - with some ability to crop in since the source image is already 5.7k).

So the best answers for "why do this?"
1) 1/2.3" sensor works with tiny C mount (and even some D mount) lenses.  "That bulk and weight" is less than just about any S35 camera.
2) 1" sensor = 2.7x crop vs FF, give or take - 1/2.3" sensor = 5.6x crop factor vs FF.  Want a thing that's about 1/3 the size of your other camera body and you can easily mount it to your long telephoto lens to get some extra reach?
3) It's fun.

All things considered, if the RX0 has a low-latency HDMI output, it might actually be the best option (still) for a Back-Bone camera - it has a "big" sensor and one can use focus tools on the external screen.

 

Yes, I am based on similar input coming from acceptable lag on Insta360 products from their users I am also one of them, hence why I might end and actually am all enthusiastic with : ) The fact they've succeeded to launch to each most recent GoPro models seems to hint they're coming to improve their offer as far as that issue concerns. Reason why such reports like yours are priceless to go forward ; ) I can only be optimistic! :- )

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : ) Looking it from both perspectives and each arguments seems 24p is well alive! ; ) Not that we had the need for such discussion but they came so powerful on bright and nonsensical sides respectively I believe we are still more comfortable on the natural side of the thongs... oops, things! : D

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : )

Well, people are not needed to leave to be anonymous as any one wishes : ) People are free to adhere or not. I guess it is also somehow personaliity connected. We are not all the same nor have to be :- )

Thank you for your words in a way or another, always appreciated.

29 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Ohhhh... what made you go for the URSA Mini 12K? What will you be using it on? 

 

Distinct applications among them film production, VFX, film transfer.

3 minutes ago, zlfan said:

if you were a red user at that time, you are pretty good. and thanks for the help you give. actually i just rambled out something i see will happen in the future. it is extremely normal that people have different thoughts about this. i don't anticipate others agree with me. i just see a thing and say here. but it very possibly may be true. because i found myself pretty good at prediction. but you may well be thinking i am bragging. that is fine. i may have more questions to ask you in the future. let us keep good online relationship. don't argue with something not important. 

On the contrary, it is rather important what dreams are made of ; )

In any case, prediction is hardly to end pretty accurate 100% even when we think digital ended with film, looks like to see many zombies out there : D or Kodak wouldn't launch a Super 8 camera for $5000 or do you think they would?

9 minutes ago, zlfan said:

actually i think nowadays people favoring s16 or s35 film is hype. digital cinema is very mature by now.  in the new era of digital cinema and new distribution platform, many old rules don't hold. but prediction needs time to confirm, by then maybe this forum is gone already. so predictors always are under pressure. no big deal though. it is just a forum. lol. 

The same way TV didn't kill radio, the screen didn't extinguish the stage ; ) Or vice versa?? : D Does it matter what comes next? Really? ;- ) LOL

8 minutes ago, zlfan said:

sometimes people are talented on something. you cannot tell. 

in 2008, when i predicted that 5d2 was going to kill ex1/ex3 and 2/3 pro eng cams, someone raised the same question, what credential do you have to make sure this prediction is right. It just came out correct 10 years later, and he never admitted his previous stance and suspicion and arrogance later when i see him. 

If you go on reduser you'll have the chance to find posts of mine about RED itself in the same period about the same 5D2 equation ; )

It's not about crystall ball we are here now nor such recent past but hundreds of years of art history and psychology (perception) only to name a few ;- )

One hundred years and a quarter of history of this medium can also help because there are a lot of examples but takes time to watch them all! : D

2 minutes ago, zlfan said:

man is what he eats. habits shape the personality. 

Democracy means responsibility to open the mouth about something we had studied at least a bit to begin with. No need to go to school but requires hard work. Hype is not enough. This doesn't bring good habits or enough to classify anything.

I guess absolute freedom of speech... : ) I think Marty aka @PannySVHS is more focused towards credentials on this one 'cause a certain level of democracy typifies to weigh variables for making it fair and balanced. Ignorance cannot equal its opposite. It's all about that IMHO (EAG :- )

I just see some statements like they come from a certain grade of expertise when they don't : ) Without mention to put Peter Jackson, only to name one case, as he could be an authority on film aesthetics... *Phew* C'mon, this sounds a bit pathetic to not write plenty enough.

But if I would have only to buy one and carry with me? DJI Mini 4 Pro because flies too! LOL : )

On the ground to have with me all around? Osmo Pocket 3 or the new Ace Pro has also impressed me. Its 8K 24p looks like a winner there.

A camera unfortunately or not is the one we can use.

Going to a set? Ursa Mini Pro 12K, for some reason I've just purchased it :- )

5 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I love my new S5IIX BUT I think, right now, it'd be the Nikon Z9 or Z8. I really, really like the images I've seen and it's excellent at photos and video. 

I concur, Z8 (Z9 is a complete different camera despite to be a sister/brother) is the one to me right now, maybe, and I don't even have one... : D That infamous overheating aura scares me a hell of a bit!

5 hours ago, JulioD said:

It’s my view that 24 FPS is the goldilocks temporal resolution for listening to a story. 

Realism?? Give me a break. What’s realistic about a Death Star? 

Human beings are story tellers.  Religion is stories. Sitting around a fire telling stories, making sense of the world is what we do that makes us human. 
 

Representation.  Not realism.  

Right. But realism is not absence of representation.

The problem here is people come to discuss things they don't have clue about : )

With the due respect, it's not because someone is a skilled film professional in one or another technical aspect of this craft, I will discuss film aesthetics from some other departments of this same craft with.

To each their own. And opinion doesn't convert a fact either.

There is who understands it and who doesn't and never will.

- EAG :- )

4 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

At that bulk and weight level, why not use an APSC camera? 

For a simple reason: with an APSC camera you won't have an action camera ; ) With the back-bone camera you'll have both! On the light side of the universe, yet:

https://www.back-bone.ca/product-category/lenses/cs-c-mount/

https://www.back-bone.ca/product-category/adapters/

To me it is a perfect camera! : )

You need AF? Add another original unit to your kit.

Ace Pro 8K 24p won't replace a FF Z8 8K 60p RAW as for instance but costs a fraction of the price... ;- )

Maybe for steady shots?

Lovely colour rendering...

32 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

source here (where this thread is also linked there)

Looks like they have some filter there to previously control the comments posted once appears on the counter but not published (yet)... Let's wait, see and hope for their wish to make it real :- )

source here (where this thread is also linked there)

Hard to guess what camera model might be interesting to see to pop up from theirs...? ; )

Needless to say anything ; )

But the way they look like attached to GoPro, I wouldn't surprise myself if we would have to wait until September to realize what comes next...

*someone else's (pardon my dyslexia)

Interesting and helpful feedback, thank you for you care to let us know here in this community : ) I can't wait to see more from your findings and see you two with @kye cooperating with each other thoughts : )) Even when people disagree they invariably have something to share and something you two have in common, your passion and appreciation from us here I am pretty sure : ))) Speaking of me, I miss your posts when you're absent from these boards :- )

People always have something to learn from each other and someone's else experience.

No comments needed ; ) As previous Insta360 user must say their software is one of a kind :- )

EOSHD.com user @markr041has also posted some handy comparison here on these boards with the recent just arrived Osmo Pocket 3:

Unpaid honest review (with 8K sample @gt3rs) with a few comparison shootout testing with other capture setups (small YT studio environment), seems fairly neat to watch and see its potential for certain usage no miracles out there but definitely enough for professional applications, I am impressed because I've been struggling to see these devices for that purpose (had a couple of Hero 10 before I decided to sell):