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@Andrew Reid Man, I can't wait to see your findings... If Nikon guys would be smart, they would send to you one for free! Don't kid, there is press and press... I believe when you'll start to spill the beans, a few of us also E-mount glass and camera owners (yes, from other camera mount brands) will follow you as their clients too. Pity they don't get. The problem is some people don't understand what this does mean. To own glass already of other manufacturers all included. One doesn't kill the other.

- EAG

BF stands for me as boyfriend, so they should have two models, GF too ; ) Jokes apart, I concur small size cameras are something and $2K is fine but my beef is about their video features offer going on there. They make it to wish to Santa Claus but they intend to minimize everything where should not and we cannot charge when we don't deliver : ) One thing is minimal vibe, the other one is what doesn't mean less or should not with.

Minimalism is not necessarily a luxury but a need. Optimisation is never a mere experiment. Some people take it as efficiency. That should guide everything, why not to apply the concept to niche products too? 

They cannot be a synonym of Leica and expensive. At least, since BMPCC OG we have found it.

I also wonder on overheating performance for such so tiny room to make it work, no matter how big our crush is :- )

7 hours ago, John Matthews said:

I agree. I imagine that by Black Friday, the S1rii will be roughly 2800 euros, but even then, I'd pass against the S5ii.

No idea when if in 2025 yet but you, me and a few of us risk to not resist to one when will reach the 2500 mark... ;- )

2 hours ago, Ilkka Nissila said:

This is an important point, and has been widely discussed in other forums. The Z8 works well in terms of temperature management as long as you choose one of the coolest running CFexpress cards. Card temperatures have been tested a few years ago in https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/cfexpress/delkin-black-cf-express-type-b-512gb-memory-card-review/4/ though not specifically in this camera.

I have the 325 GB Prograde Digital Cobalt card and it's excellent (it was originally preferred by Nikon when the Z9 came out, as their developers found it to perform the best in the Z9), but Delkin Blacks (which are a newer card series) are very popular among the intense-shooting crowd and can be cheaper than the Prograde Digital Cobalt. If you need larger capacity than is available in Delkin Black, then Delkin Power can be considered. Note that the series have been updated by Delkin and the newest cards may be different, but I haven't heard anything negative about the new series.

The Z9 has a larger body and better temperature management than the Z8 but the Z8 also does fine as long as one chooses the right CFexpress card for the extended video recording.

I wonder on the limits of length for 8K 60p...

6 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

So the Panasonic's not the best value hybrid camera, and not the best spec's either.

And it doesn't have the most versatile, well established mount either.

Do you find it that way? Well, indeed. Even though cost-benefit I think fills the blanks, maybe just popular among prosumers or hybrid professionals, I'd say to evaluate for the brand's tradition...

I struggle to find anything which may interest me maybe other than that not exactly light Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8 or that cumbersome beauty of a Samyang 35-150mm f/2-2.8... And even this latter one putting up a fight against many QC issues and reports.

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

It's a reminder of how fortunate we are that cameras released 6 years ago are still able to hold up to cameras released today. 

The same for S35... the key format used for decades on film : ) And FX30, the most underrated release of these last years IMHO, still a no-brainer two years and a half later basically for motion picture. Low light is made of fast glass to only mention something I am used to read as excuse. Welles came from being an inspiration to the whole film noir and be commited to light for deep DOF just in order to have more elements to play with.

Everything is shot on FF today, from news interviews to any piece of crap going on TV, whatchamacallit 'show'... go figure! Looks plainly hilarious.

- EAG

@Andrew Reid Nice to know : ) Curious to see your findings ;- )

Minimalist to couple such a small factor approach + unique pocket design is a much welcome pair, specially to those like me who hate the typical Japanese camera interface based on a jolly senseless and not user-friendly but endless and useless menus designed by geeks and addressed to them rather than for enjoying the exposure triangle. Never enough or at least as they look when distraction comes up and raises/takes its wrong place. More than to be an ergonomics thing.

On the other hand, those two motion picture recording modes? That couple?

C'mon, just kid people because it's time for Carnival? : X 

Eccentric unmatchable 2:1 & 16:9 thingy as single two peas in a pod. Contributed for a smile this Saturday night : )

Hope for a decent firmware update.

No exclusive niche product serves as excuse when we want it but cannot have it 'til then...

Price is also prone to not be what this company means to those who like (and own) their glass like me (for more than 3 decades these days and still for more less than the classical bargain but invariably usual no-brainers of this same brand to come soon). 

I wonder what business strategy they have as target... Let alone the criticism read on S1R II now or is Panasonic becoming the Sigma of cameras instead?

BTW, speaking of pocket stuff when we talk about cameras, any fanboyism (mine included even that one to pair the most sincere brand agnosticism, why not?) should be my pocket than only size/form factor because means my business & craft.

- EAG

21 hours ago, John Matthews said:

For video, this is the most important feature of this high MP camera: 

 

You have no need for BBC approved cams -- even though Downing Street praise is always welcome to defeat aspiring dictators for real and those already established for many longer decades before worldwide, you only need that ;- )

25 minutes ago, ArashM said:

The Z8 was a bit of a no go for me, never quite got the AF to work consistantly and while on paper it ticks all the boxes, in use it just was a bit of a let down for me and how I use it.

This is the kind of user report which immediately makes them to lose any $4K of my own, at least and to say the least no less...

PS: Not a lemon? I simply HATE lack of consistency practically about everything in life : ) I don't mind about rebels like our webmaster hence I am here, but don't come to sell me other than that. One thing is standing corrected when pops up -- no perfection on Earth; the other one is random attitude on stuff, we're talking about much different things. Kills any crush.

Got the news just now! And here I am in the same day my own father would turn 86 in this Feb 28 if he hadn't left us one year and eleven nights (ten days) ago... : (

What a sad end/tragedy for one of our legends, terrible news:

https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/27/gene-hackman-family-suspects-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-death/

https://variety.com/2025/film/opinion/gene-hackman-tribute-best-movies-the-conversation-1236323080/

Impossible to think of the existence of cinema without his presence forever in our memories.

From Gene Hackman's fav movie of his filmography (in his own daughter's words), also a curious metaphor of what life is:

The obsessive RS focus looks like funnier to me when it is coming from same people who often also praise anamorphics...

TBH I think that many instead are entitled to concomitantly attend some good stuff talk about... aesthetics. Really.

- EAG

Grand Prix of the Automobile Club of France, Course at Dieppe 1912

by Jacques Henri Lartigue (1894-1986)

Here when he was 92 years old... 

PS: I wonder what this guy and autheur of one of my fav pics ever shot would think about such particular criticism (I mean this, not exactly whatever critical thinking is or when has place to be) on this and many other capture devices... nowadays.

PM me and I send you my shipping address where you can send them to someone who really praises what a few seem to want to see replaced by what? Reality? Really? Is that the object or subject of your scope as shooters? *sigh* What a good education lacks about what "the expression of ideas and emotions through a physical medium" actually means.

@MrSMW So I got you now! (into this online world we live all in... and where you're coming from ; ) you're an Asian EOSHD member in disguise to be a Franciú* shooter, after all! LOL ;- )

* Franc[ês] ("French" in Portuguese language) + Mons[iú] (abbrev. of "Monsieur")

8 hours ago, John Matthews said:

There's a lot of whining about Panasonic not pushing hard enough in raw specs. Yet, many of these critics go silent when firmware updates completely transform the camera's usability. Panasonic focuses on features and tools that don’t generate the same hype as 4K 120fps or internal RAW—but they offer things like false color, shutter angle, and a lower price point. It’s just a different approach.

Price point IMHO is half part of their strength. And how reliable their product is, an extra reason why we never put them out of our radar.

- EAG

15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Did you see the Northrup video on the S1R II, with the clickbait title "better than Sony and Canon"...

How the turn tables.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is just using this to bait Sony's PR team into giving him more attention.

LOL Right : ) That's always the pinch of salt we must bring to the equation almost invariably all the time long, unfortunately. I guess not much to say other than that conclusion where you put your finger straight into the wound, once again... it is what it is, I'm afraid ;- )

On 2/14/2023 at 3:50 PM, markr041 said:

There is also the kit lens Sony E PZ 16-50 (APS-C), which has been around a long time but had its AF performance upgraded with a firmware update last month! Note there are many more power zooms for APS-C than FF.

Sony's video-oriented mirrorless camera also have power zoom rockers (Sony ZV-1, Sony ZV-E10, Sony fx3, Sony fx30).

In fact, I've just bought one Mark II unit upgraded to work with AF @120fps and my FX30 for a bargain... Less than 70 bucks! :- )

On 2/24/2025 at 9:06 PM, eatstoomuchjam said:

Unless you're Matt's doctor, though, his weight is really not your concern.  If he has health problems, it's up to him to decide if he'll talk about them or not.  This thread was a lot better when it was trolling people about Dave Bautista and/or Perry Farrell.

Let's focus instead on his lens reviews where he does a portrait shoot with it stopped down to like f/13 which will be diffraction limited on just about any modern sensor!

Or on his thing where he has to bring 43 and 250 lenses in like 43 suitcases when he goes on trips!  Instead of, like, a couple of GFX 100 II bodies and a decent selection of Fujinon glass!  And if he really needs extreme telephoto, swap that out for any modern 61 megapixel body and the same focal equivalents as above + extreme telephotos.

Or his pockets.

You're forgetting his models... ;- )

15 hours ago, wolf33d said:

The only thing I miss with my R5 is a little more DR from stills.

Really? ; ) The answer, my friend, is blowing in your own, is blowing in your own post... LOL BTW, where have you been? You as a few others over here are truly missed : ) 

15 hours ago, wolf33d said:

Even the price, idk, if you can throw $3K in a camera you can probably throw $4K.

Ah and €2762 to $4K is the difference (huge gap for 50% more BTW) enough to make me pull the trigger, you know? 

People have a budget, mine in mid-2020 decade is up to $500 for mini sensor size cams, perhaps other than iPhone but the fact is that I haven't bought one yet ; ) 

$1000-$1500 for a workhorse camera and about $2500 for a premium device. 

Other than that, they don't have my money in their pocket/bank account. I bought a 12K Ursa Mini Pro like new for $3K, so you see... ;- )

10 hours ago, Davide DB said:

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.

Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.

BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

Great post man, my vote to stick it! :- ) 

At times, I even think to myself that a disclaimer urges to pop up to avoid armchair opinion makers out there...

21 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

They need to watch this on YouTube next time.

Yeah, laugh but do you know what the most reputable microwave oven is? ; )

I've found it today:

https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/kitchen/panasonic-microwave-review

My ultimate purchase ordered tonight is a Daewoo and is not a car... ;- )

36 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

Some comments reported that on the line skipped 4K@120p  AF is DFD only

You mean strictly on and for 4K@120fps?

Are they joining the party then? : D If so, I should either be quiet on the best of my fanboyism or Andrew is also right on his prediction ; )

For some reason I've found myself on Sony camp most recently... Plenty of irony to someone coming from 90s, really, but it is what it is, I'm afraid :- )

TBH I think overheating performance (let alone DR + low light) and price under $2.9K (€2.762 from my supplier) without VAT (for professionals, not consumers) for such small form factor (under 800gr!) are both a must : ) How come not having an active cooling system along with? Or a cheap semiconductor route instead, as Andrew mentions? 

60p up to 5.8K is the price to pay for?

Other than that, imagerie coming out from such features combo like IBIS + their same hybrid AF, once more this time for a 2nd round and turn to follow the S5 II, look like pretty hard to resist and stellar to me... I'll probably see myself to bite : P Who not, sooner or later? : X 

https://petapixel.com/2025/02/25/panasonic-s1r-ii-first-look-the-ultimate-hybrid/

PS: Something I guess I like to see going with them... they usually try to bring some cherry to the top, most of their tradition is that, more than any other brand except Blackmagic IMO who tend not to leave any rabbit out of their hat for next time, hence my hat. 

Their newer is their best can certainly be a good motto. 

I am sick of a few minutes before overheating, when it's supposed a professional use even being a hybrid one, no excuse, it's not a smartphone! You can go and burn in hell, shame on them, Canon and Nikon... They play games on us... Makes little to no sense to my book to say the least :- )

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

So you know when the famous lead singer dies but the band wants to carry on...

 

Olympus cameras were some of the most beautiful ever.

Both in terms of feel, build quality and looks - they were all very lovely. (...)

(...)

Proof that camera design... indeed all design... is art... and cannot simply be mimicked by the talentless.

Significative to see all that written here by you @Andrew Reid Cameras design is something, the camera body a sort of an extension of a human brain, there's some singleness behind this unique object in fact < 3 Why ain't they all equal, isn't it? ; ) Like people, we can feel the differences sometimes between versions of same camera model, go figure all the rest you mention there... Even today, I've been discussing this with a brand representative : X BTW I am in love with my FX30... What such a grace, folks! :- )

I'd go for both FX30 and Osmo Pocket 3... Just sayin' ; )

Other than that, P4K and Ace Pro 2 are a must no less : )

My current fav ones.

Without mention some other speciality captures devices or...

Blackmagic 6K FF... with this, you're set on the Aussie manufacturer camp : D works like a charm straight to those who always claim for stabilised stuff ;- )