Emanuel

59 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Are you suggesting that a visually subjective cinematic choice is actually not subjective?  If so, I'd argue that reality is subjective.

First off, please pay attention when someone has added some commas to his/her text : ) Secondly, my post had two parts.

To answer any virtual invective : D there's also subjective objectivity, objective subjectivity, as well, many other possible configurations... : P

;-)

PS: Out of curiosity, I've made some google search only to check some other texts as crossroads on topic (I am a curious and avid reader by nature : )) and I've just found the name of an old teacher of mine from University (also screenwriter and actor) preaching on it:

Funny coincidence, word :-)

45 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

And, FWIW, I shoot "stabilized" most of the time with my hybrid cameras.  But, I will shoot with the stabilizer off for certain looks.  Sometimes, the immediacy and organic-ness of an unstabilized shot is ideal.

Dogma 95 consolidated the hype. Brecht's Verfremdungseffekt / V-effekt can mirror that. But, the fact is the suspension of disbelief requires to make the editing transparent. That is, if you're willing to sell "your reality" as real.

1 hour ago, mkabi said:

No DCI - Only UHD 4K.

And, no 4K 24p, only 4K 30p.

Here: https://***URL removed***/reviews/yi-m1-mirrorless-ilc-first-impressions-review/3

Scroll down to the picture and paragraph under 'video'.

No idea for the reason of your post at all : ) in any way other than standing corrected DPreview?! LOL

1) The same DPreview link has already been posted in one of my posts in the previous page of this thread, where you can check the DCI 4096 wide in the specs page, actually, instead:

https://***URL removed***/reviews/yi-m1-mirrorless-ilc-first-impressions-review/2

So, a typo by DPreview? ;-)

2) No one said 4K 24p, on the contrary, the word "if" written in my post means that if 24p would be present (so, according to DPreview as the other poster mercer also wisely pointed out in his post, it is not ; ) the bitrate would be higher because the fewer frames per second you (need to) record, the more bitrate you can reach going with a lower frame rate.  

To pay attention to between the lines can always be useful :-)

And, as already written, already matched by G7 too.

52 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

 

Clever move from Canon with DPAF, again strengthening investment in their glass. It's just a shame you have to spend at least £4k on a Canon camera to get solid and sharp 1080p in 2016!

 

Right. For some reason ; ) 1080p from their DSLR line since they introduced the thrill 8 years ago with 5DII, is not the best find out there... ;-)

1 hour ago, mercer said:

In 30p. According to DPReview, no 24p until 1080p. 

Yes, as far as they say. So, 24p, if present, would be higher.

41 minutes ago, mercer said:

Would also like to see 24p in their 2K mode at a better bitrate than the 15Mbps 24p in their 1080p. 

It is 75Mbps@4K DCI.

22 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

Not true 4k in 1DC, 1Dx II and 5D IV is not down sampled but 1:1 pixel readout. 1080p I agree is not great...

I think the poster was referring Canon in general, typical Canon look, not specific models or applied technology as case study.

You both are right though. 1080p has never been great with Canon because of the way they handle it, I say.

https://***URL removed***/reviews/yi-m1-mirrorless-ilc-first-impressions-review

1 hour ago, sanveer said:

All Canon DSLRs have soft video. It may have got to do with their algorithm and how they down sample.

Unless Magic Lantern will overcome it...

46 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

Definitely could leave the gimbal at home now ??

Just wondering... Can you satisfy my curiosity...? What's yours?

It does seem so...

This high resolution mode is also pretty interesting and sensor related:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-pen-f/olympus-pen-fTECH2.HTM

https://photographylife.com/ibis-high-resolution-mode-amazing-technology

Raw is obviously a sorta euphemism... :D

5 hours ago, Flynn said:

Olympus says the stabilization for the EM1 ii combined with the new 12-100 is gonna be good for 6.5 stops! I wanna see what this looks like.

For a documentarian, I think the EM1ii plus the new 12-100 could be an awesome combo. If the stabilization of the lens combined with what's in the camera is as good as they say, that's just incredible.

I wouldn't rule out the faster (at wide end) Panny 12-60mm, now announced, anyway. Less expensive, I believe. And handy for a second Panasonic/Oly body.

https://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Voyeur-Right-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0027IK4E0

fps means per second, so it is sequential shooting, of course : ) The burst might be longer but it should take only 1 second, I guess :-)

1 hour ago, fuzzynormal said:

Honestly, I am more interested in getting the best shots in my situation than I am with getting the highest IQ.

There's always a piece of gear that do something slightly better --so I don't fret about that a whole lot. I'll use what gets me to my "happy medium." For me right now, that's 5-axis in body stabilization. 

I'm currently a documentarian. So my needs might not be your needs.

Yes, of course. No one is alone here. To each its own, at same time. And maybe your needs can also be mine, despite my different approach on it. I can even concur, but no less than in both ways when GH5 comes now with the most wanted wishful list ever fulfilled in the possible package to match 10-bit 4:2:2 & 4K 60p for real indies. Take a look into the post above by sudopera, that resumes the whole point from my angle :-)

I see people here are much more focused in convenience than IQ. GH4 was the first one to introduce 10-bit for such prosumer price range. So does GH5 in 2017, but internally. Oly, Sony, etc to follow for next releases. That counts to me.

2 hours ago, resso said:

I'd say, over GH4

Let's realistically presume that. Even though, the question is very pertinent and sorta wishful thinking from all of us, as well. I bet their upgrade is more based on processing data than sensor related, this time. Hence, internal 10-bit 4:2:2, 4K@60fps, higher bitrate (even still under NDA for now). I hope to be pretty wrong on that one, though.

7 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Yes.  I find it so. 

Have you ever tested to replace it with a gimbal?

There are many options out there. With much distinct outcome than specs on a paper can ever explain.

Just now, Inazuma said:

What limitations do you mean exactly?

Maybe a Speed Booster to couple with... ;-)

I don't think internal 4:2:2 10-bit is not a dramatic step forward over stabilization in-camera or tiptop autofocus... C'mon, isn't the spec all here have cried for? Isn't banding per se much more hassling to be avoided?

7 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

I think there is a place for gimbal and IS. A gimbal is fantastic for following subjects and in the right hands can produce longer, steadier cinematic moves than IS can. However, with IS you can execute smaller cinematic moves with longer lenses much more easily and with no rigging at all it's very discrete for public/wedding/performance filming etc. I adore the IS on my GX85, I can work more unobtrusively and I can get shots I couldn't before due to time constraints.

Right. And it also depends on the rig. There are rigs and rigs, place for unobtrusive rigs and the way you use them counts, too.  

35 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

Bigger deal to me than the 422 10 bit internal from the GH5 since I shoot most of my stuff handheld. ?

Yeah...? Is stabilization in-camera so important? C'mon, a mere single gimbal does the job... Mere gimmick, actually : ) Helpful but can't beat 4:2:2 10-bit + 4K@60fps ;-)

Decent/effective autofocus (a joystick to move the focus point, as for instance) would/can be a much more game changer, instead.

Anyways, the high frame rate 20MP 60fps RAW burst mode is pretty promising, though.