sanveer

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I think this is the way to go. MFT will always kinda suck in lowlight. Would much rather have expanded dynamic range.

What the hell of society is this one...?!
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/26/killed-by-indifference-84-year-old-photographer-rene-robert-dies-in-the-snow-on-busy-paris
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2022-01-28/photographer-rene-robert-freezes-to-death-on-busy-paris-street.html

Early 2022. It's already here the latest build for real : D hybrid shooters:
https://github.com/mirsadm/motioncam/releases
 
- Aperture switching on phones with variable aperture;
- Black and white level clipping indicator;
- Improved contrast curve in photo mode.
 
No other product in the history of filmmaking has been so developed and improved ever!
Practically in a daily basis!

🤣 Unlikely. 
 
Not likely either. Which is sad, cause Samsung and Sony both presented papers on Triple Gain sensors (for smaller sensors, I guess), and if Panasonic wanted they could have made the most of the tech, for a M43 sensors. 
 
I thought it was established that the resolution advantage is mostly blurred after a certain point, and better noise, lenses etc mostly blur the lines. Steve Yedlin's and hundreds of other presentation on resolution go into the exaggerated claims and why after a point why it doesn't matter.
Arri's discussion on it seems quite interesting. 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2015/08/14/arri-managing-director-franz-kraus-talks-about-resolution-hdr-and-the-arri-65/
 
Mist interesting of all, Sony presented its stacked CMOS image sensor technology with 2-Layer Transistor Pixel, widening Dynamic Range and Reduces Noise by approximately Doubling Saturation Signal Level (since surface area isn't being wasted, because the photo diode pixel transistor are in the same level (so only 50% area is used for the photo diode). Theoretically this should sensor at the same pixel seem much better in detail and dynamic range. The question would be, by how much. 
https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/e/news/2021/2021121601.html
 
More than anything else I am curious why nobody feels the Blackmagic 12k Camera No Crop Resolutions is a big deal. Especially for its price point, shooting 12k at 60p  8k and 4k at 120fps, Without Cropping or Changing Your Field of View.
 
Wonder why nobody seems to have gone that path. 

Actually many manufacturers have been wanting to get out of China since the beginning of 2020. The Pandemic and the whole expansionism contributed big time to it. The Japanese Government even paid businesses billions of yen to move out of China (https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/japan-to-pay-at-least-536-million-for-companies-to-leave-china).
I believe many other countries with manufacturing in China did too, and many large ones left are contemplating too. The environment for manufacturing has been losing its advantage for a while now, and the whole friction with its Asian neighbours, was probably the last nail.in the coffin (surprisingly, not Covid or the terrible lockdown so much). 
Apple seems to be one of the few ones, that has been able to retain much (not all) of its advantage. It pays higher wages than before, but their other sweat shop practices, apparently haven't gone. They paid enormous sums apparently including the majority as political money, to continue running their sweat shops.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/12/07/apple-china-iphone-pledge/

Loved that analogy with the Christmas trees and his own perspective and experience -- what about you guys?
Disclaimer: London related. I love everything British and I am a proud ILR holder BTW :- )

Gee I don't know what to say. Well certainly thanks is in order. Yeah i missed you guys also. I went though some scary ass medical problems, actually died for a bit, but I guess too mean to die too long so hey here I am. Sepsis shock just about did me in. It knocks you down in just about every organ you have so at my age, nearly 75 now, hard to crawl back, well I never will make it back to what I was, and I have just aged the more since, happens you know. But actually right now I am really not doing too bad. My mother died a few months ago, my one daughter just had double mastectomy with breast cancer, well not much fun not counting this God Damn Pandemic. Just what the hell I needed lol. So I have been sort of out of it for a bit, literally, bummed out for a bit and working my way back. 
I am reorganizing my camera, video gear for less heft, and a little more creativity. Nobody knows how long you will live but I know I am running out of time so I just want to have a bit of fun while I can. So I came back here to be re educated and reunite with some of my old friends, which I have had very few of in my life. I hope I can contribute a little past knowledge, screw ups and all, plenty of those, and have a few good forward thinking threads evolve. And maybe a few fireworks to add to the fire. Hey I am still Don you know. But yeah I have mellowed a bit trust me. I went out though the tunnel and saw what few have seen and felt, and for the limited time was super peaceful and intriguing. I think I was going up and not down like a lot of people thought would happen. 😬

Welcome back Don and a happy new year from us!

We've been in touch through private messaging during this pandemic period but we haven't seen his posts so much over this family more recently ; ) However seems he's restarting to make our days better with his thoughts available to all once again : ) Love this guy!
@webrunner5
 

OnePlus 9 Pro.
I will try with the previous processor going along the superb ASUS Zenfone 7 Pro (both are able of 8K 30p and 4K 120fps recording).
But, I would not hold my breath too long with smartphone manufacturers...
Their motion picture sensibility is the same of someone who doesn't know where the local movie theater is : D
Their interface shooting is a truly PITA for filmmaking in 99% of cases, unfortunately.
 
- EAG

How about this baddie: YN455 with mft sensor, 6gig ram and android 10. Cost still much higher than a used OG BMPCC.

Would be nice to have a list of compatible phones. Would love some 2K+ 3:1 Raw from a Panny Lumix CM1 phone with its S16 size sensor from the RX100 series. But it has only Android 5 and 2gigs of Ram with 128gb storage to micro SD.
@sanveer Would be great to see and read your findings. Merry Christmas to you and everyone.:)
 

Wow, the image looks great.
 
I wanna try it. Am just a little hesitant, like with trying out the various hacks on the GH2. I'm sure thus is going to be great. I have a spare smartphone. Maybe I use it.on that one. 

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

Wow
Tested on my Poco X3. TLDR: barely functional but promising.
Settings: anything aside RAW10<->RAW16 show little effect on performance. "Raw video memory usage" seems to benefit from being maxed out but it's more a feeling than fact. You'll have to select "raw video" and exposure settings every time you switch from app's main screen (like switching between apps or entering settings). OIS can be activated but doesn't work in my case, thus the image is shaky. Focus control is kind of distributed strangely: 90% of slider is mapped to nearest 1m, the rest of focusing range is cramped in the tiny space at the right end. Nice for macro, I guess, not for anything else. AWB should be locked or it will affect the image otherwise.
Raw: I was able to get mostly reliable recording in all conditions at max crop (40% H/V, 2772x2082) at 24/25 fps for durations about up to 1-1,5 min. Was not testing for longer times because of huge file sizes and some quirks. I was able to record 4K-ish resolutions (4112x2082) outdoors (it's about 0°C now) but it drops frames starting from 15-20s indoors. Overheating? No framing guides for crop area - use your imagination looking at full sensor image feed. Raw images are initially written in chunks of 900 frames as zip archive somewhere in system folders (haven't found location yet). You have to manually unzip and transfer them as dngs in "manage videos" by tapping "queue" button. You can set the destination folder once at first conversion, I was not able to find this setting anywhere else, the only way to change this directory was to reinstall the app. And yeah, no sound at all yet.
Processing: transfer times are huge on my phone mostly because of USB2 transfer speed. Files are bulky, I filled 60GB of free space just with a dozen of clips. Considering buying TF card to unzip dngs and swapping it out to card reader (if projects goes well in this direction). AE2021 and Resolve 17 work well with dng sequences, Premiere 2021 refused to import. I had to rename dng sequence according to unique folder name manually because they were named with same base name - frame-#####.dng. There is some glitchy "transitional zone" between two 900-frame chunks where frames are randomly tossed to different chunks. At first I thought it was just frame dropouts but later I was able to reconstruct frame order manually at post - see image. Image quality is much better, especially at moderately high ISOs (800-1600). Compressed image degrades at this range - details are getting mushy, colors - muddy. Raw on the contrary has very manageable grain structure and highlight rolloff, lacks any sharpening. DR is better in a sense that you're getting more usable DR but it's far from being cinema camera wide - you should be careful with highlights, and the absence of any exposure assisting tools doesn't help at all.
Is it worth trying? Yes, I think. It's not the way you'd shoot something for fast turnarounds, or for a long duration. It's more an artistic experiment. The project is in a very early stage now but it's all about polishing interface and performance, adding useful features, improving general stability - the core idea is functional. I'm really happy to stumble upon this project - I haven't feel such joy and excitement since shooting photos with Nokia 808. Basically it's a 8mm raw camera you have no excuses not to carry with you all the time.

Hahaha. I love it.
I didn't even use the subtitle track, and I still got it, all thanks to the good visuals and references.
IMHO, if you just work on the pacing (building it up slowly, to a crescendo), the grade (little more faded or washed out) and the soundtrack (more build up, with a heartbeat or its equivalent, as reference), this could easily be of a masterpiece.
Great homage. 
 

Hahaha. I love it.
I didn't even use the subtitle track, and I still got it, all thanks to the good visuals and references.
IMHO, if you just work on the pacing (building it up slowly, to a crescendo), the grade (little more faded or washed out) and the soundtrack (more build up, with a heartbeat or its equivalent, as reference), this could easily be of a masterpiece.
Great homage. 
 

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

The Pixel 3 XL is dropping frames like nobody's business! Hopefully someone with a powerful phone can have fun with this.

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

This is Pretty Neat. Unfortunately, since the Sony IMX377 and other 1/2.3" sensors, most smartphone sensors have abandoned 12-bit, for photo or video (Staggered HDR sensors do 12-bit HDR for photos instead). So, this is limited to 10-bit video for now. But, the video quality looks pretty stellar. Unprocessed and I am guessing the highlight and shadow recovery maybe pretty decent. It apparently does 10-bit 4-2-2 (most smartphones that do 10-bit video, have 4-2-0).
(The new Snapdragon and MediaTek SoCs talk about 18-bit imaging, which I am guessing may be some crazy HDR, upressing bit-depth, though that may solely be limited to photos).
This RAW video does look pretty neat, and doesn't look over sharpened or over processed like most smartphone footage. 
 

Curiously the fixed pattern noise, that appears static across frames is something I noticed in one of stars wars films (one of the 2 last ones). I thought it was a bad case of adding film grain, after shooting on a digital camera. Also, strangely, it was during one of the daytime shots, and not low light ones, like Sony explains in their reasoning doe not including PDAF.