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Lol. "Remember to vote sept 12th!"- is this part of your campaign?  

If I may embellish.  I suspect many people are confused about 10-bit video.  When we look at a colors on our 8-bit screen we're looking at 256 shades of each primary color, R,G,B.  The dynamic range is generally around 6 EV between darkest and brightest.  In 10-bit compressed video, like that of the GH5, We have 1,024 shades of colors, but STILL IN THAT 6 EV dyamic range.  What this means is that if you shoot a wide DR shot of the sky and some people under and umbrella, you can't bring back more detail from the clouds in 10-bit then you could in 8-bit.  The only real benefit of 10-bit compressed video, that I could see, is banding  where there are fine gradations of color.  And that benefit, is almost impossible to see in a moving image.
In 10-bit DNGs, that Andrew is mentioning above, you're getting 1,024 shades OUTSIDE that 6 EV gamut, so you can recovered highlights or shadows.  If all ML did was get 10-bit RAW to work on the 5DIII, that alone, is worth the guide right there!!!   
As soon as they port this stuff to the 7D I'll buy that guide immediately!

http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/09/06/sony-unveils-venice-36x24mm-full-frame-digital-motion-picture-camera-system/
"the camera’s lens mount can also be changed to E-mount (lever lock type), which opens up a lot more options for using a wide variety of lenses."
Today marks the end of Sony's FZ mount :-( As a Sony F3 owner it makes me a little sad :-/ But I'm not too surprised (& the FS7mk2 was a small hint), as I half expected this day to arrive eventually.
This does make Panasonic look even more dumb now, because they didn't announce their EVA1 with a locking MFT mount. (As heck, Sony can put E mount into their highest of high end cameras!!)
 
"The Sony VENICE CineAlta digital motion picture camera system is scheduled to be available in February 2018. No pricing information was given on release."
Reckon I'll be able to afford it with what I find down the back of the couch?

+ killer AF! No competition on the market at that price point. Recently shot an art piece on the 1DX II at 4K60 (vs. C300 II which has 10-bit but no 60p) and 8-bit was fine. Most of the shots wouldn't have been possible without DPAF (the alternative would have been a wireless FF and an AC).
For those with a $7500 camera budget, especially if one has many Canon lenses, it's a no brainer. Again, the C300 II doesn't do 4K60, the C200 does. If the C200 had been available when we got the 1DXII, we would have gotten the C200 to get 4K60 instead.
The most popular camera on this forum right now, the GH5, is a useful tool which creates great images, however it's not in the same league as the C200. Both products are priced fairly for their performance and features.

Hey Ed, maybe do the test again? Even one scene where everything is constant (except camera) would be good.

+ killer AF! No competition on the market at that price point. Recently shot an art piece on the 1DX II at 4K60 (vs. C300 II which has 10-bit but no 60p) and 8-bit was fine. Most of the shots wouldn't have been possible without DPAF (the alternative would have been a wireless FF and an AC).
For those with a $7500 camera budget, especially if one has many Canon lenses, it's a no brainer. Again, the C300 II doesn't do 4K60, the C200 does. If the C200 had been available when we got the 1DXII, we would have gotten the C200 to get 4K60 instead.
The most popular camera on this forum right now, the GH5, is a useful tool which creates great images, however it's not in the same league as the C200. Both products are priced fairly for their performance and features.

My goal was "Hollywood" in my 20s (did work there a bit) but ended up in financial software/data for the past 30+ years. My guess is DP work is similar. My experience.
1. Film/Photography/Video, has always been a near impossible field to make a living in.  My observation 30+ years.  Unless you specialize in a very complex area where a shortage of talent develops.  In photography and film, bad news, those areas DO NOT EXIST   There is always an excess supply of talent.
2. One's availability today is worth more to a prospective client than someone else's genius available tomorrow.  Don't kid yourself.  Whatever the client says, you're replaceable and a minor part of their world.  You can be a raving egomaniac in your domain, but get in the way of someone signing your check and no amount of genius will save you.  Make yourself available.  
3. A client only needs 10% of your skill.  When you try to give them more, it confuses them and can work against you when they want to hire again.  Understanding and matching a client's priorities, which will ALWAYS be slightly different than your expertise, is paramount.  Anticipating the client's needs, which may be some form of "cleaning the windows" is 90% of completing a success project.  Keep your head out of your head out of your ass.
Does all this mean you shouldn't become the most skillful DP possible?  No, but you learn for YOU, for your pride in your work.  Do not connect skill with ability to get work.  It will have very little to do with what work you get.  I know that sounds unbelievable.  I don't quite believe it myself.  Yet if I objectively look at all the work done out there, it seems random, the scale of stuff, from bad to great.  In other words, the quality should be better IF THERE was a meritocracy.  There is simply too much poorly done stuff, in my eyes, in all areas of tech, to indicate that quality is the prime factor to employment.  Good quality stuff is there by luck.
Human endeavors are complex, emotionally laden efforts to give meaning to our lives.  What gives you meaning, say great lighting, doesn't give the actor meaning, or the producer, etc.  Be compassionate to others.
Bottom line, if you're thrilled to have the opportunity to even get coffee on the set you'll find a place.  If you're thinking about "saturated markets" and "making money" clients will pick up on that and get someone they think will work for free, because yeah, we all just suck!  It's just a job.  Money is always an issue.  9 out 10 pats on the back you must give yourself.
 
 

Practice shooting stills in black and white to learn light and shadow. Also indoors against black backdrops where all the light is controlled- ideally with point light sources so you can do every kind of light (bounce/diffuse to get bigger sources), plus flags etc. Start with just one light.  I read a lot and prefer doing my own experiments to really learn things, vs memorizing and not really understanding how things work.
I learned a lot from this guy when doing still photography: https://peterhurley.com/
Sometimes we learn after the shot. Couple seconds lined up shot on iPhone, noticed amazing lighting on face later (positioned her quickly, just one photo. Quick edit in Snapseed; all on phone):


You can practice with your phone anywhere anytime. Positioning the subject(s) and camera in natural/practical light is also part of the craft.

Practice shooting stills in black and white to learn light and shadow. Also indoors against black backdrops where all the light is controlled- ideally with point light sources so you can do every kind of light (bounce/diffuse to get bigger sources), plus flags etc. Start with just one light.  I read a lot and prefer doing my own experiments to really learn things, vs memorizing and not really understanding how things work.
I learned a lot from this guy when doing still photography: https://peterhurley.com/
Sometimes we learn after the shot. Couple seconds lined up shot on iPhone, noticed amazing lighting on face later (positioned her quickly, just one photo. Quick edit in Snapseed; all on phone):


You can practice with your phone anywhere anytime. Positioning the subject(s) and camera in natural/practical light is also part of the craft.

Practice shooting stills in black and white to learn light and shadow. Also indoors against black backdrops where all the light is controlled- ideally with point light sources so you can do every kind of light (bounce/diffuse to get bigger sources), plus flags etc. Start with just one light.  I read a lot and prefer doing my own experiments to really learn things, vs memorizing and not really understanding how things work.
I learned a lot from this guy when doing still photography: https://peterhurley.com/
Sometimes we learn after the shot. Couple seconds lined up shot on iPhone, noticed amazing lighting on face later (positioned her quickly, just one photo. Quick edit in Snapseed; all on phone):


You can practice with your phone anywhere anytime. Positioning the subject(s) and camera in natural/practical light is also part of the craft.

That is a most foremost thing, staying on topic! About working and training muscle memory and beforehand being in a good shape: At one thing handheld shooting made my shooting better conceptually, simulating a jib, a tracking shot, pan- helpin all in laying out and planning a sequence.
What it also did though, it made me miss that one or two important locked medium shots. So best is to have physical practice and to have the very basic film grammar down. Anything else can be rooted from that. Having shooting styles of the greats boiled down into one liners and standard vocabulary.
Tony Zhous video essays are great examples of that. And writing or writing stuff down improves cinematography fundamentally, as a great master of cinema gives a great example of:
 
 

I wouldn't even care if they only catered to expensive cameras if they were actually adding to the discussion in meaningful, transparent, and honest ways. 
Prolost still does some great articles that actually inform. For instance: https://prolost.com/blog/rawvslog?rq=log "raw is not magic" helped me learn a lot about how code values are actually recoded in camera and better understand the pros and cons of raw and log.
It's night and day more helpful than cinema5D's "You NEEEEEED raw. What's that? A brand new, expensive camera that shoots raw happens to be affiliate linked in the post and mentioned first thing? That's so weird... Totally not planned, we swear."

While it's true that others waylay some of my posts, I stay focused on the search for truth, wherever it may lead, while being respectful. I suppose I could take conversations to private message, however some people do appreciate the health topics. For example one member messaged me privately asking about one of these items his doctor also asked him to stop using; now he better understands why we both said the same thing.
This thread is about learning new things, the above information promotes improved learning, and facilitates creativity with a better functioning mind. While I don't mind being called "new age" (don't really identify with that, more of a science guy vs. woo woo), the information I post can be backed up with scientific research.  I can't tell you how many times I've had technical and creative breakthroughs after meditating and/or exercising. I've also seen excellent boosts in energy and cognitive performance after changing my diet and following the same suggestions I give: I practice what I share. I'm constantly working to improve communication skills to avoid being preachy, which is what tends to annoy people, as does the know-it-all archetype.
"sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol" are highly addictive and ultimately toxic to the mind and body. I've seen unbelievable suffering from addiction, including a close friend's father who's dying from diabetes, losing his body limb by limb as he slowly and painfully dies. It's not just his pain, but his wife & children's: so much suffering. If we all kindly remind and encourage each other to avoid these toxic things, much suffering can be reduced or eliminated. And at the same time we can increase our learning ability, productivity, and creativity.

Right on, we don't want to promote counter-violence, which is violence. We want to promote peace through education. Remember the Rulers are playing the Divide & Conquer game: let's opt out and promote peace, while focusing our efforts on policy to prevent the manufactured conflict from growing in the first place.

One group is fighting for their freedom and very survival, the other is paid by the Rulers to create division to take over their country.
Best not to get bogged down in Left/Right Liberal/Conservative distractions: look higher to see who is pulling the strings and why.
The terrorist and jihadist problems are manufactured. Unfortunately, when the people start fighting the invaders with guns, that opens the door for the Rulers to declare marshal law and remove the rest of their freedoms. It's good that people are learning to protect themselves, however it's best to make sure local law enforcement handles any gun violence themselves, to keep the door to marshal law being declared closed.

Because cognitive functions and creativity go hand in hand, I guess.

Yeah no worries, everyone has their own methods for learning.
I guess we're of the same philosophy to skip film school and get out and shoot:
AKIRA KUROSAWA    JOHN WATERS    MIRANDA JULY    QUENTIN TARANTINO    STANLEY KUBRICK    TERRY GILLIAM http://flavorwire.com/412974/famous-directors-who-never-went-to-film-school
And Robert Rodriguez when he shot El Mariachi. I recommend everyone read this book if you haven't already: https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-without-Crew-23-Year-Old-Filmmaker/dp/0452271878

https://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/02/26/brain-plasticity-how-learning-changes-your-brain/
Diet also affects learning and behavior. Avoid or minimize sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol. Detox the body with herbs and supplements. Meditate and exercise every day. This will result in learning anything faster.
Actually creating content is the most valuable tool for learning photography and filmmaking. That's why many famous content creators advise against film school. Their suggestion is get out and shoot- a lot!

https://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/02/26/brain-plasticity-how-learning-changes-your-brain/
Diet also affects learning and behavior. Avoid or minimize sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol. Detox the body with herbs and supplements. Meditate and exercise every day. This will result in learning anything faster.
Actually creating content is the most valuable tool for learning photography and filmmaking. That's why many famous content creators advise against film school. Their suggestion is get out and shoot- a lot!

Absolutely right about the "forum for friends"! I used the term "demand" as in "require" not in any aggressive or confrontational manner. Apologies if that didn't come across.
Thank you for the video link - it's on topic insofar as it's about learning! But, granted, tenuous at best. I know the advice given here is frequently "rent before you buy" but it's not always that easy so engaging with users is possibly the next best thing.
Tim

It's a fun book to read. His process ain't mine, but it was still inspiring; especially in the era he did it.   
Be that as it may, he was a guy set in his ways and knew what he wanted to do... which leads to another wrinkle in regards to creativity and motion pictures: Some of us are tuned into the process in a way that our endeavors quickly resonate with the recipients that view them.
These creatives know the "vocabulary" of the craft rather easily and fluently.
Those folks are the blessed, as they have a storytelling advantage.
Others strive away at things more esoteric and never find an audience, nor may never desire one.  
Seems like I heard a term for this phenomenon in the past, but I can't recall the phrase at the moment.
 

https://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/02/26/brain-plasticity-how-learning-changes-your-brain/
Diet also affects learning and behavior. Avoid or minimize sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol. Detox the body with herbs and supplements. Meditate and exercise every day. This will result in learning anything faster.
Actually creating content is the most valuable tool for learning photography and filmmaking. That's why many famous content creators advise against film school. Their suggestion is get out and shoot- a lot!

In case of misunderstanding, there was no intended implication that you are divided; only pointing out that it's hard to find non-dividing sources of information online. Do you know of a non-dividing source regarding the google memo case?
In a sense, the google memo case might also be a kind of whistleblower case, if in fact, google is breaking the law. As I stated at the top of this thread, he put google at risk for the legal statements. I didn't get the sense that what he wrote was crazy at all: did you read it (the full version)? The opposite: written like an engineer trying to solve a problem, as seen from his point of view, with no malice intended. It appears most of the response energy from MSM regarding what he wrote is emotional, whereas what he wrote was very logical, void of emotion (he might be like many engineers: not using his emotional intelligence as a result of years of engineering and/or biology).

https://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/02/26/brain-plasticity-how-learning-changes-your-brain/
Diet also affects learning and behavior. Avoid or minimize sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol. Detox the body with herbs and supplements. Meditate and exercise every day. This will result in learning anything faster.
Actually creating content is the most valuable tool for learning photography and filmmaking. That's why many famous content creators advise against film school. Their suggestion is get out and shoot- a lot!

https://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/02/26/brain-plasticity-how-learning-changes-your-brain/
Diet also affects learning and behavior. Avoid or minimize sugar, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol. Detox the body with herbs and supplements. Meditate and exercise every day. This will result in learning anything faster.
Actually creating content is the most valuable tool for learning photography and filmmaking. That's why many famous content creators advise against film school. Their suggestion is get out and shoot- a lot!