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S1R is like a different camera to when it came out.
Here's what I like so far.
The 10bit 5K does indeed have enormous mojo. Almost worth not bothering with full frame for! For anamorphic shooting it is seriously nice as it is 4:3. For normal shooting, a nice easy crop in post to whatever aspect ratio you like. It is crisp as heck. Colour is stunning. Particularly in the Neutral profile, it reminds me of the similar 5K mode on the similar Leica SL2 for 5 grand!
Low light is far better than expected. Dual gain sensor. ISO 12,800 perfectly usable. ISO 3200 and 6400 very clean. I have included some sample clips shot in full frame 4K 8bit and 5K 10bit at 12,800 and 6400.
https://we.tl/t-baorfLanyd
Quick toggle between 4K FF / 5K S35. It can be assigned to a button, which you can press to instantly go between 8bit MP4 mode (full frame) and 10bit MOV mode (S35). Very handy for that second tighter framing in 5K or to go from 4K/60p to 5K/24p and so on.
Colour science. I really like it. I put it at top. Canon move over.
CFExpress slot. Was XQD. With new firmware now it is CFExpress and takes same fast card as my EOS R5 does.
IBIS - seems to have the best performing IBIS I've yet seen although was to be expected coming from S1.
AF in stills mode (with L-mount lenses) - it is MASSIVE improvement on S1 and earlier firmwares. Not just fast but reliable too now. In video mode yet to try it but not expecting it to be as good for movies
EVF - it is larger than EOS R5 to my eye, just all round better.
Back screen - Never felt so confident manually focusing without punching in or activating peaking!
65:24 mode and L.Monochrome mode = XPAN style 9K stills shooting 🙂
All in all, I think it is more unique than S1 and a total bargain for £1500.
The S1 doesn't have the 5K, isn't as good in S35, cannot do full frame 4K/60p and doesn't have a pixel-to-pixel crop mode for Super 16mm c-mount lenses. On the stills side the S1R has a superior sensor, much higher resolution and better AF.
The only thing I might miss is V-LOG but the S1R's Flat profile seems to have very good DR for my needs and is much easier to grade. There is also CineLikeD and Hybrid LOG Gamma.
The S1R is two steps... an E-Mount and Good AF away... from being 99% of people's go to mirrorless camera. E-mount there is no denying is just far more established and AF too important to compromise on for most people's needs.
But for me, in that beautiful 5K mode with a bunch of manual lenses, it is perfect and different to a whole host of identikit camera bodies.
(S1 will be on eBay tomorrow if anyone wants it!)
It is also a Leica SL2 killer!
FOOTNOTE:

I am rocking the Fotidiox Leica Killing adapter with built in variable ND.
It is EF mount so quite versatile. Takes M42 stuff and Contax Zeiss for instance.
The electronic side works as well although you can pretty much forget about reliable AF!
And before you say "but whattabout R5" that doesn't do 5K S35 anamorphic or Super 16mm crop and costs rather a lot more!

Excellent write up,  but I think the 18-150 does have IS but u can only switch in the camera as there is no switch on lens (same for ef-m one which I had).
 
 I hope Canon can fix the wobble like it did with R5/R6 cause that really improves wide angle on handheld.

I picked up the Canon R7 a week ago and shot with it for a week in a variety of conditions before starting this thread. I had a trip to Las Vegas coming up and a retailer showed one in stock near me, so I literally got it on the way to the airport. I had one hour to put it in a camera bag with the kit lens and I took the Sigma EF 50mm F1.4 and straight through RF to EF adapter because I knew I wanted to test it in lowlight conditions and the kit lens at F3.5 wasn't going to be fast enough. On paper the R7 checks every box I was looking for as s b-cam to the C70 and as a second body for the R5 so I went for it.
So, below are my thoughts on the Canon R7 after shooting with it for a week. My intended use is as a B video camera for the C70, possibly a gimbal camera, and some light solo/travel photography/video work and maybe as a second camera for the R5 for weddings (not a fan of weddings at all but who knows what the future holds). This review will ramble a bit, I now own the R5, R7, and C70 and have owned the Canon R6 (for 1 week), Panasonic S5, and GH5 so at times I will probably compare some likes and dislikes with those cameras. I will probably compare it mostly to the Panasonic S5 since to me they are the most direct competitors that I have used.
THE GOOD
Ergonomics - This camera's ergonomics are perfect to me. This is without a doubt one of the most comfortable cameras to hold that I've ever owned. I like big heavy cameras (I already added the battery grip to my R5) and thought I wouldn't like the ergonomics of the R7, but the grip is perfect. I actually did not like the ergonomics of the S5 at all, very uncomfortable to hold with its shallow grip and even the R6 wasn't that great in my opinion. Canon made the grip on the R7 much deeper and somehow that did the trick for me. I did not even have time to rig up a camera strap before my trip so I had no camera strap when shooting photos or video and it still was really comfortable. Joystick Thumbwheel - Another home run for Canon. I was a bit neutral on the thumbwheel; I don't like change as much as anyone else, and was unsure about the thumbwheel around the joystick, but after using it I wish all of my cameras had it there. It is very logical and the height of the joystick protrudes just enough that you don't accidentally scroll then wheel. Speaking of the joystick, it is so much better than the one on the C70, it is actually precise and useable unlike the terrible one on the C70. Dedicated Video Switch - It is great that they brought back the dedicated video switch, its still annoying to me on the R5 to have to customize a button for this and use that button instead of a toggle switch. Viewfinder / Backscreen - These are pretty acceptable, I read online some people were complaining about the viewfinder specs; personally, I am still not a fan of EVF's in general and still miss my OVF in my 5DIV but to me the R7's EVF is no worse or better than say the S5 or R6. The backscreen is definitely better than the S5, the back screen on the S5 especially when focusing was a constant source of annoyance for me. Batteries / Battery Life - Nothing short of incredible. I shot a mixture of clips and photos each day for about a week and the battery only dropped 20%. Way better than the R5 in this regards and maybe slightly better than the S5. This is the first camera I would be comfortable shooting photography with without a battery grip. As far as batteries go, I am literally overflowing with them...they are the same batteries as the DSLR 5D series as well as the R5 and R6, so its nice to be able to swap batteries between the R5 and R7, interchangeability is very important to me. And yes, I know the older DSLRs took a slightly different battery, but it still works in the R7 (minus in body charging). Video Quality - The video quality is pretty much what I expected, nothing earth shattering, but also totally acceptable results. 4K60FPS, 4K30FPS, 4K Fine, and regular line skipped 4K are all there. I like compressed IPB so that's the only thing I used during the trip. Loaded up with dual 1TB SD cards and I could probably shoot on a month long trip without running out of space. Dual Slot Recording - Canon finally gets it, they released this feature on day 1. A huge Canon pet peeve of mine has been they typically don't offer dual slot video recording. With the R7 it is there and works as expected. Speaking of recording its great that it uses SD cards, I can share them between the C70, R5, and now the R7 so there's that interchangeability thing again. Photography Quality - Nothing out of this world, but perfectly fine for social media or even print work. I didn't get to really test the photography features, since I did not take a wireless trigger or any sort of lighting, I did not really push the quality boundaries of the sensor since I was stuck with ambient light. Ambient light does make you work a little extra in post, and the images did not fall apart when pushing the shadows and dropping the highlights. For the images I shot in cRAW. Kit Lens - I haven't used a kit lens in years, and forgot how useful that range is. The kit lens is a RF-S 18-150mm F3.5-6.3 with no lens IS. Yes I hate variable aperture, but that turned out to be super useful range when travelling. No lens swapping needed to get wider or longer, for what it was it performed pretty well. IBIS - It was nice shooting with a camera with IBIS again (after shooting with the C70). IBIS is rock solid when stationary and only doing simple camera movements. I also turned on horizon leveling (a first for Canon cameras) but couldn't tell how well it works since I am already a stickler for level horizons so I couldn't tell how much it was helping me keep it level. Walking with the IBIS is still impossible to me, if you want to walk with this camera and have good results you still need a gimbal. CLOG3 - I used CLOG 3 extensively, it performed as expected, nothing exceptional, but no surprises isn't a bad thing. Build Quality - I would say the build quality is about on par for Canon's recent releases (R5, R6) and of course above the quality of the C70 (sad isn't it?). All of the buttons, the back screen, and the feel of the camera is better than the C70. I would place the build quality right below the S5 and two steps below the GH5. Not bad....just predictable at this price point for Canon. Menu System - If you have ever shot with any Canon you will be right at home with the menu system. You do know though that you are using a modern Canon offering when you hit the first menu and it has 10 pages. I actually like the S5's menu system better in some ways, but once again, the R7 is just very predictable. Auto Focus - Just like every other Canon.....it just works. I didn't really stress it or try to break it, I just shot with it and it focused on what I needed it to and it maintained AF. I still am not really a fan of the person or eye AF when there is more than one person in the frame, I probably just need to learn how to work with it better, but for me, the most predictable AF settings are still to just use expand AF and put the cross hairs on what I want in focus. Eye AF works well though for talking heads or when the subject fills the frame. The AF is definitely much better than the C70 and seems about even with the R5 and R6. Low Light - I think it is not bad, definitely not as good as the S5 with its dual native ISO, but perfectly acceptable up to about 3200ISO. With a speedbooster and fast lens it is probably on par with the S5 in low light. Lens Mount - I mentioned it somewhere else, this is the ONLY Canon camera that supports EF, EF-S, RF, and RF-S at the moment; meaning it has a massive lens selection on day one. Knowing I can use every Canon and Sigma lens that I own on this camera is a great feeling. So, to wrap up THE GOOD, my overall assessment is that it is just a very predictable middle of the road camera which does photography and video equally well. Of course putting it like that makes me realize just how good this camera really is, I have said many times that I think Canon accidentally created the perfect hybrid with this camera and based on my experience so far, I still think that is the best way to describe it; a reliable solid 4K camera that is also very good at photography, that's all I have ever wanted out of a hybrid. BTW, I was in Las Vega with average daily temps of 95F-106F and never even thought about overheating. These were short clips mixed with photography and fiddling with menu settings; the exact same setup I had with the R5 when it gave me an overheat warning.
 
THE BAD
Highlight Rolloff - without a doubt the absolute worse problem with this camera. The highlight rolloff is horrendously bad. I don't even think about highlight rolloff with modern cameras, I typically leave that to the pixel peepers to complain about, but with the R7 it is without a doubt its biggest flaw. Its highlight roll off performance is about equal to my Canon T6 Rebel and far worse than even my drone with its 1" sensor. At first I thought it was just the kit lens causing it to be so bad, but I shot with the Sigma 50mm F1.4 and it did not get better. Highlight rolloff is important to me because I mostly shoot people in bad lighting where hot spots abound. Kit Lens - Yes it has a great range, but optically it just isn't very good. At the long end it gets cloudy, somewhere in the middle its not very sharp, and at the short end its somewhat acceptable.  I think the Canon EF 24-105 F4.0 L lens or the Sigma EF-S 18-35 F1.8 would be a much better lens for this camera but neither offer the type of range that the kit lens offers. The camera sensor definitely far outperforms the kit lens as is to be expected. IBIS Wobble - at the 18mm end of the kit lens the IBIS wobble is pretty bad, definitely worse than anything I got with the S5. If you try to walk at all, it introduces wobble that cannot be removed in post. Towards the 30mm+ end of the range it gets better. Also, the lens did not have IS so a lens with IS may perform better. Video Tools - Typical Canon, no WFM, no false color, and my #1 pet peeve....the electronic level and histogram disappear when you hit record. The S5 and GH5 both keep them on the screen while recording. The R5, R6, and now the R7 don't. The C70 doesn't even have an electronic level. Accessories - No battery grip and possibly there never will be one. I am on the fence if one is needed with a hybrid camera, I typically use one for photography and none for video and I also typically put a cage on my video cameras and none on my photography cameras, so this one is a bit of an oddity to me. But I do like the battery grip because I mostly work with people and shoot vertical, with a battery grip the shutter button and wheels are at my fingertips when shooting vertical. Power PD - This camera like the R5 needs a Power PD USB-C power supply. This is annoying for me because my current setup does not meet the requirements for power PD. Ironically, the C70 doesn't even have this requirement and works just fine with my V-Mount battery. The R5 and R7 have this requirement, whereas the C70 and S5 work just fine with my current setup. Settings Sharing - The R7 does not seem to share settings between the photography and video menus. With the S5 it let me pick which settings to share between them such as ISO and WB. This may be an option in the menu settings somewhere but I haven't found it yet. OTHER
I think this camera combined with the Viltrox speedbooster and EF lenses could be a great combination if you already have EF lenses. Or you could go with the straight through adapter and use your EF-S lenses. I have both 
Twice out of over 100 clips during my trip the camera for some reason ignored the CLOG3 profile and recorded in something else. I never even went back into that menu during the trip so I don't think it was user error. I also thought maybe I pressed record while in photography mode but it doesn't start recording when you do that; so I am not sure why it did that. I noticed the same thing with the R5, it will randomly record a clip without using CLOG3 occasionally.
CONCLUSION
I think I am done with purchasing any camera bodies for the next 5yrs or so. I once again have a fully interchangeable system, batteries, memory cards, and lenses are mostly interchangeable. 
IN CASE YOU MISSED IT
Here are my reviews for:
The S5 - Panasonic S5 User Experience
The C70 - Canon C70 User Experience
BONUS
I shot a video with the R7 while I was in Vegas. My goal was to test photography, video, daylight, dusk, and lowlight. I do think I did this camera a disservice using the kit lens for a video test, but it was the most useable lens I had with me; the 50mm turned into an 85mm on this camera and was too zoomed in for most of what I wanted to film. I also did not bring a mic, so I was stuck using the integrated mic. For the video below I went out of my way to film different skin tones, lighting situations, etc. I also graded it to Rec.709 since I always hate seeing camera test videos where they have a heavy creative grade making it impossible to see what SOOC looks like. I don't believe in doing the pixel peeping test chart thing so I just get out and shoot the type of content that I shoot to see how a camera performs.
 

Yeah! While I am still on my R5 that was bought 2 years ago lol 😆  But seems like he still have FX3? So some camera he just keep I think.
I bought R5 mainly for the no overheating on standard 4k, I don't really that 8k or 45mp, but lately on some greenscreen shot i done the 8k is quite useful for controlling spills like woman's hair or wedding veil due to high resolution.

Non of the eos camera can do punch in focus while recording, only cinema lines can do (include r5c). You always hook up to external monitor for punch in zoom while recording 
 
That a good value of bonus you got, the place I live didn't have any pre-order bonus (cheap ass!)

Non of the eos camera can do punch in focus while recording, only cinema lines can do (include r5c). You always hook up to external monitor for punch in zoom while recording 
 
That a good value of bonus you got, the place I live didn't have any pre-order bonus (cheap ass!)

I got it! The shop I bought it received just 1 copy!! This is the second shipment and it seems that Canon send just a dozen or so for the whole country..this camera will be back ordered for a long time..Canon is giving priority to full frame production anyway.
It is interesting that Canon gives these limited copies to specialized shops and NOT to big chains at all..
The manual is 963 pages(?!), not included of course, I got the 16mm RF, an extra battery and the Canon dumb adapter as a launch gift. They run a promotion giving some reduction in price in selected lenses and varies from 75€ (50mm) to 600€ to more expensive ones. I had already ordered the 16mm, as I have other EF and EF-S lenses, but I was tempted also by the 50mm one. Is a brand new design of an old concept, seems like the best cheap 50mm in the market.
Unfortunately, I am starting an A.D job and I am reading scripts at the moment, I barely switch it on today.
2 things. It seems that zebra and focus peaking do not work together, and I couldn't find a way to zoom in to focus while recording..the second issue, if true, is a major disappointment for me..
As I said I didn't have time to search thoroughly, I took a couple of videos in glorious desert weather here (Athens, GR) and the camera did get hot a little in the touch. I will have to make some kind of test, or whatever, but it seems to me that it won't be temperature - proof as we hoped it will be.

A couple of frame grabs to show the AF
R5c, AF at max speed, at 200mm at F2.8, on a gimbal with me walking fast.

50fps, 1/100


100 fps 1/200

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

Let's not forget they had the C70 and R5C to launch! LOL ; )
Well I must admit they've convinced me with tne R5C though so I should be grateful to their fake limit... 8K60p is priceless to my book :- )

The "example" R7 video posted above is obviously color graded with teal and orange, and in no way shows the "colors' of the R7 or the DR, or skin tones.
Here is a video, shot in Clog3, in 4K 60p in crop mode, giving an almost 3X FF crop, using the cheap EF S 18-135mm kit lens. The "grade" is just the daVinci Studio transform from Clog3 and canon.cine color to REC709:
 
And this tests the audio, same specs as above:
 

I did shoot yesterday all day on 4k50p and some 100p, no overheating symbol once! Soo over the moon with this update! 
Man if they do that in the first place 2 years ago it will be way different market now.

I think the R5 would melt inside. Canon just shut off any time of heat management which the hardware cannot provide. Slogan " just leave that sucker on and keep it running til it melts". And it runs and runs and runs til it melts and melts and melts😄

I did shoot yesterday all day on 4k50p and some 100p, no overheating symbol once! Soo over the moon with this update! 
Man if they do that in the first place 2 years ago it will be way different market now.

Does this mean I finally get to retire my Magic Screw?
https://www.eoshd.com/news/2-years-later-canon-quietly-removes-fake-overheating-limits-of-eos-r5-in-firmware-update/

The one that came today, people getting over 2hrs of 8K without overheating.
 
EOS R5 Firmware Update Version 1.6.0
22nd July 2022
Firmware Version 1.6.0 incorporates the following enhancements:
1. Adds [Auto Power Off Temp.: Standard/High] to the menu for movie recording. When [High] is selected, the camera will not automatically turn off when the temperature of the camera body and card become high, which may allow for longer movie recording than before, depending on the shooting conditions. Note that the temperature of the bottom surface of the camera may increase at this time.
2. Adds the ability to convert multiple HEIF images into multiple JPEG images.
3. Enhances the performance of "Movie Digital IS". It stabilizes the image when taking selfies or walking shots using a wide-angle lens.
4. Fixes minor issues.

Well the new firmware with new temp control for video seems like make R5 really hard to overheat now, people getting really good 8K, 4KHQ and 4K120 recording time to CFExpress.
R6 sadly still overheat the same? R3 getting 240fps in FHD which is nice.

Well the new firmware with new temp control for video seems like make R5 really hard to overheat now, people getting really good 8K, 4KHQ and 4K120 recording time to CFExpress.
R6 sadly still overheat the same? R3 getting 240fps in FHD which is nice.

The one that came today, people getting over 2hrs of 8K without overheating.
 
EOS R5 Firmware Update Version 1.6.0
22nd July 2022
Firmware Version 1.6.0 incorporates the following enhancements:
1. Adds [Auto Power Off Temp.: Standard/High] to the menu for movie recording. When [High] is selected, the camera will not automatically turn off when the temperature of the camera body and card become high, which may allow for longer movie recording than before, depending on the shooting conditions. Note that the temperature of the bottom surface of the camera may increase at this time.
2. Adds the ability to convert multiple HEIF images into multiple JPEG images.
3. Enhances the performance of "Movie Digital IS". It stabilizes the image when taking selfies or walking shots using a wide-angle lens.
4. Fixes minor issues.

Comparison of 4K fine vs lineskip and also 4k60p crop vs non crop
 
 
 

Comparison of 4K fine vs lineskip and also 4k60p crop vs non crop
 
 
 

Magic Lantern for the Canon EOS M really does turn this little camera into a cinematic pocket rocket. Shame so much fine detail and grain is lost with the upload.
Post Process:
1. Convert video files in MLV app to Arri Log C 2. Render out from MLV app as ProRes 422 3. Color Grade Arri LOG C files in DaVinci Resolve under a Kodak 2383 Emulation LUT 3. Edit & Render out as ProRes 422 Filmed with a small DIY Anamorfake filter that I made a while back which sits behind the lens. No lens flares, just a certain aesthetic that I personally like :) 
 

Looks like it might be time for this gem again....
 

That is the lens I m thinking to pair R7 as well, Meike drop in nd adapter come with clear filter too which is a big plus!

That is the lens I m thinking to pair R7 as well, Meike drop in nd adapter come with clear filter too which is a big plus!