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Blog Comments - 3D a proven failure, 4K unlikely to succeed - HBO

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Picture quality - 4K

So what is the future of TV? Well there's a very good chance it isn't 3D or 4K, and that TV panel manufacturers are heading for even tougher times. HBO's CTO (Chief Technology Officer) Bob Zitter is one of the most prominent TV industry voices to voice is belief that 3D and 4K are not suited to home viewing.

His thoughts don't make good reading for Sony, Sharp, Samsung, etc... but is he right?

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I think the next step should be to get rid of all 1080i and replace it with 1080p. 

That difference is on your home tv screen very visible. 

More visible then the difference between 1080p and 4k. (on your home tv)

 

The Future is online I agree. Availability, seamless connected to the Tv screen easy to operate, those things are far more paramount and needed then to forcing a Movie theatre resolution into a family home.

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the Japanese and Koreans probably feel sad for the west as they're on a whole different agenda!

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4k at home would look different than 1080 mostly if you're watching a 60" or larger display.  At most viewing distances they don't look that different.  color, motion and sound would be a bigger factor in viewing pleasure than the increased resolution is.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't want it if the cost was equal to 1080 though. 

 

As for 3D, I'm not a fan at all.  It adds nothing in a good way to the experience for me. 

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Good to see some sobriety taking hold. Past, present, and future is 24p for me for narrative experiences. Sports, a different beast. HD at 2K is solid for a long time to come. The human eye is very comfortable there. And on-line is only going to get more exciting... for all of us.

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I call foul. 4K will become standard as technology progresses and the device cost becomes the same price as 1080p. It isn't about wether people see much difference or not, the higher resolution will sell better. And I think 4K is far more obviously a step up in a  home theater situation where people are closer to the screen. I'm not advocating it, but to say we will always be watching TV and home entertainment at 1080p seems wildly ignorant. 4K will catch . . . it is only a question of when.

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stanley kubrick,orson welles movies in 2d

ridley scott james cam moron 3d
imagine blade runner in 3d red vision instead of kodak analogue.
no thank you.
marketing money bullshit and satanic corruption tis all.
my children let us all pray..
ohh sweet lord help us.
bury this 3d demon
this 3d bury it deep.
real deep  and let us all stamp the earth down nice a and firm.
let us have nose more bearded twatters from new zealand and his little hobbit munchkin digical plastic pictures.
let the jackson spend his time raping sheep on that pretty isle, rather than offending are eyes with vomit inducing technology.
one more thing lord can you hurt the man that maketh the millions from transformers the one that is known as michael bay.
also what is the point of the man they call shia lebouf and lord donte gert me started on the jj abraham fella.

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4K may catch on - in about 25 years... just look at the Redbox Top 20 any given week - there are currently only 3 Blu-rays in the top 20 - Argo, Zero Dark Thirty and Skyfall - which are #1, 2 and 3 via DVD! Outside of those of us who do this for a living, no one really cares about 1080 let alone 4K and are very happy watching standard def DVD's on their HD screens.

 

Almost everyone I know is still watching stretched SD broadcast on their shiny new HD TV even though they're paying for HD! Unless you have DirecTV, the HD channels are still hard to find for John Q. Public and they're not gonna go searching for a 4K channel when it comes available. Sad but true. We're years from the general public fully moving to 1080!

 

That said I do agree with Zitter that 4K is great for acquisition although the majority of feature films and TV are currently using the Alexa which is NOT 4K...

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4K may catch on - in about 25 years... just look at the Redbox Top 20 any given week - there are currently only 3 Blu-rays in the top 20 - Argo, Zero Dark Thirty and Skyfall - which are #1, 2 and 3 via DVD! Outside of those of us who do this for a living, no one really cares about 1080 let alone 4K and are very happy watching standard def DVD's on their HD screens.

 

Almost everyone I know is still watching stretched SD broadcast on their shiny new HD TV even though they're paying for HD! Unless you have DirecTV, the HD channels are still hard to find for John Q. Public and they're not gonna go searching for a 4K channel when it comes available. Sad but true. We're years from the general public fully moving to 1080!

 

That said I do agree with Zitter that 4K is great for acquisition although the majority of feature films and TV are currently using the Alexa which is NOT 4K...

 

 

most digital 'prints' that are used for projection at movie theatres are 2k even. 4k would be awesome, but unless you have a huge screen, very critical eyes or a massive wallet, doesn't make sense. for streaming 4k content, it's going to take an entire infrastructural overhaul, and fibre is going to be the minimum for sufficient data transfer. that is the biggest problem i see coming

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The Future of Television is BETTER and More ENDURING content :D
2K is plenty if it's good stuff, cheap and readily accessible on multimple devices. The past is Couch Potato TV at any resoluytion and in any dimension. Hey remember when Holographic movies were supposed to become mainstream>
Yes. It's today and we're still way happy with 1080p - 2K
Win Win I say.

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another proof article for this 4K concept :) 4K_fap.gif

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And now in 3D of course  :lol:  4Kin3D.gif

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I wish all cams were world cams and PAL and NTSC would die.

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I did check out Sony's new 4K tv a while ago.  It was stunning, and there was a group of guys ogling it.  We started chatting, and it turned out every one of the 7 or so guys standing there worked in the motion picture industry.  A colourist, a couple editors, a dp etc.  It's true that no-one else really seemed to care.  Well, I want one, but truth of the matter is I hardly watch anything on the TV I have, so it would probably be a waste of time.  I'd love to see the World Cup in 4K 3D though.

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It's just not ready for prime time. One day we'll see something in 3D or VR and say, "Holy Shit".   

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It's just not ready for prime time. One day we'll see something in 3D or VR and say, "Holy Shit".   

 

google 'oculus rift.' while i don't see cinema or film really going much further with 3d, for the time being, but it's going to change video games/virtual reality

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I never think 3D ever got any chance. Until naked eye visual holographic display I guess.

 

But then I digress here, I think 4K is valid in the long term future. The point is the Display will not be just for the Movie / TV viewing anymore in the future it will be an hub for info / interactive visualization, etc in and among the house. Think about it, you are in the kitchen peering through the door at that 4K display with the Recipe when trying to grill the onion while chopping up the carrot, or using that 4K display to read news ( on line news paper ) .. and I forsee integration of mobile device into the chain. The Tablet acting as an visual cue as well as an input device linked to the 4K display ( think browsing your travel photos or editing them ) ... there is much to just the Movie and TV viewing 

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Content consumption is rapidly moving to mobile, so instead of 3D/4K we need better bandwidth optimization and streaming technologies to make current content delivery faster and easier. The current 480p/720p/1080p system works very well with these varying bandwidth/data package/speed factors.

 

I'm more excited about H.265

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Here in Tokyo all proper electronic stores (Yodobashi, Bic Camera Labi etc...) sell 4k TV staring at 5/6000 euros for the 50", up to 15000 euros for the Sony 80 something inches.

Although i'm not a fan of these hyper high def TV, for the same reasons as our host has explained, I have to say the the image quality is stunning and I can see the difference from regular 1080p tv, without any effort at a viewing distance between 3 to 5meters.

Then, if they are selling like hot cakes, or they are sitting on the warehouses I have not idea, but they are on display almost everywhere.

The 83 inches Sony is outstanding and I could see advertising agencies and media related business using it for presentations. Photos look as good as on an Eizo monitor, just bigger.

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The recent launch of 5" 1080p mobile devices shows that the consumer is basically an idiot who equates higher numbers with better quality, even when there is zero visible difference and the videos they consume on said device will mainly be 720p or below anyway.

 

BUT

 

Upgrading your phone, if you are on a contract, is cheap.... and if you are just entering a contract... The price difference between a Galaxy s3 and s4 is minimal.

 

This is the only way 4KTV will take off.... when the price to upgrade is so minimal that you may as well do it.

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of course the majority cannot afford new generation electronics, so it's easier to dismiss it with the same theory as when overpriced Plasma's first came out or HDTV.  when it's affordable it becomes the standard...not ''it's irrelevant, or you can't see the difference.''  ask anybody in pro media if you can see a difference in workflow between Apple's Macbook Retina displays vs. Macbooks from 3 years ago.

 

the biggest irony is when people suggest ''you can't see a difference'' and dismiss the ever growing nano tech in all forms of electronics.  personal choice, from whatever standard that may be, shouldn't be mixed with the way electronics are heading.  you'd think pro's would acknowledge that and take advantage.  kind of like the intro of open source app markets.  anyhow, looks like the BBC has some initiatives for themselves with Ultra HD if I'm not mistaken

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It may change the world like the Mini-disc did...

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The Future of Television is BETTER and More ENDURING content :D

 

Thanks god someone said it. Who cares about shit shoot at 4K 3D??? TV should think about interesting content...

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Saw The Croods in RealD 3D, AMC ETX in Burbank: Sony 4K and Dolby Atmos 3D sound. The screen was as big as the last IMAX screen I viewed (huge). We sat towards the back on the upper balcony- image was tack sharp. 3D visuals were perfect and 3D audio was very cool. When this quality is available in the home, folks will buy it. Current 3D and HD TVs cannot provide this kind of experience (major issues with 3D at home are low resolution or ghosting). Conversely, saw the Life of Pi in 3D at the Dome Arclight in Hollywood with shutterglasses- clunky, heavy, uncomfortable 3D glasses, ghosting, not a good 3D experience. The movie was great however I can see why folks don't like 3D if that's all they have seen (low quality 3D systems).

 

I have worked with 3D for a long time- my company created some fo the first 3D games for PCs (including kicking off hardware accelerated 3D by porting Quake to 3D in 1998 for H3D). Have seen 3D come and go; it's not going anywhere this time around: it will slowly get better in the home. No pundit or hater proclamations will make it go away. RealD 3D rocks- check it out before writing off 3D. 4K will be a small market for a while but makes sense for large screens.

 

Clearly, 3D is not a proven failure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzrmx6HhtyQ

 

If you don't get it, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvqeABHvQ

 

If you don't get that, you're not doing enough acid*

 

 

 

*ascorbic acid. What did you think I meant?

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Can you manually set the shutter speed in high speed mode (400 fps) ?

I read the manual and can't tell if you can or not.

 

Also, what is the maximum shutter speed you can set it to?

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