The Panasonic S1 II pricing is wrong, and so is the entire product strategy since 2018

[PannySVHS]

5 hours ago, Clark Nikolai said:

Um... you do realize what the nickname for this might be.

Of course, Lumexa😎

 

5 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Sort of, yes, but it's only a 24 megapixel sensor.  The resolution in super 16 mode or super 8 mode would be pretty low.  You'd be at 4k in S35, and closer to 2k in M43.

1:1 crop mode on the GH7 would be one of best right now for using S16 or Super 8 lenses.  You'd still have decent resolution and probably not be at 720p or less.

S16 gate on the S1II would be around 2100 x 1250px, considering a 2.88 crop factor and a 1.66 aspect ratio. That's not too bad, better than the og pocket. Mft sized gate would sport around 3000px in width.

[EduPortas]

I have no idea why Panny chose to go the expensive route for their cameras.

Up until the GH5 their products offered the biggest bang for the buck (GH5s was catastrophic bc it started this whole upward pricing trend).

Now? Not so much. GH6-7 were considerable costs upfront for anyone, let alone indie filmmakers.

Their FF lineup has been all over the place regarding prices. Why would anyone buy this new camera when the S5II and its different variations was released just some months ago? 

It makes NO sense whatsoever and makes us long for the GH-1-2-3-4 pricing and innovativeness. 

Every single one of the original GH cameras had some sort of innovation that differentiated it from the rest of the Canon-Nikon-Sony parade. All of that was lost with the move to FF.

A true fall from grace.

[D Verco]

Love a hot take like this. I kinda agree it's not going to get people to switch for the price. but it does offer a lot of features. 50/60p open gate is pretty cool. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

Pyxis also does 72p open gate for not a lot more - though it can only do open gate 72p at 8K, 12k is limited to a mere 40.

And the UC12K does 12k open gate at 80fps and 8k at 144fps.

Komodo-X also does open gate at 80fps, though open gate on K-X is 17:9.

All of those cameras support those framerates in raw.  I think the S1 II can only do it in 10-bit or less formats, right?  Not a deal-breaker, but another limitation.

I don't know why anybody acts like shooting high FPS open gate is a hugely exciting feature, though.  Is shooting slow motion 3:2 really a huge use case?  For the sort of stuff that I shoot, we're usually delivering in scope and overcranking done rarely at best.

[MrSMW]

3 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I don't know why anybody acts like shooting high FPS open gate is a hugely exciting feature, though.  Is shooting slow motion 3:2 really a huge use case?

I would prefer to have it if I could for the few times I would like to be able to do 50% slow motion, but that option alone is not worth the compromise for me having to go back to a much larger and heavier camera over my S9.

Instead I accept the crop factor involved and have it on the mode dial rather than a default shooting option.