New L-Mount Lumix (cinema?) Camera

[ac6000cw]

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

For fast paced run & gun work, it's superb and has multiple frame markers for my 'films' and for my socials.

The 'pro' features aside, I can't really fault it.

And if they are now under 1k, like so much Lumix stuff, I think that is where and when they make most sense.

I agree.

[MrSMW]

2 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

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I wanted the orange one...and then realised that was a Nikon Zf option 🤪

[zerocool22]

Hmm the big miss is no internal Nd Filters. If they would have included that it would be a huge success. 

Looking forward to actual footage though, s1rii def looked better then the s5ii.

Might pick up an used r5c(EF ND adapter) or c70 with speedbooster, that way I can have internal ND's. 

[MrSMW]

1 hour ago, zerocool22 said:

Hmm the big miss is no internal Nd Filters. If they would have included that it would be a huge success

This is possibly the single biggest thing where Lumix could score a win and something most were hoping for, if not expecting.

My own expectations were an identical body, but otherwise different sensor pairing of ‘S2R’ and ‘S2H’, the latter with internal ND and the former with a larger than 45mp sensor.

But we have not got either and no sign of either and realistically, I think no hope of either based on recent and imminent models.

Sony are about to pop out a new FX and a new Alpha any time and though I suspect they will not be groundbreaking either, will possibly be the new benchmarks at this 2.5-4k price point.

And so much for the FX style body for the new Lumix’s. I’d like to have seen that as that at least would have been something…

[Thpriest]

I keep coming back to price and value. The Sonys are about 50% more expensive. Whilst the price of the new Lumixes seems a bit high for me at present, I'm sure that within a year the have great offers or bundles on all of the new cameras. That's when i usually pick them up. So far Lumix has offered me unbeatable value. I hope that continues.

[Andrew Reid]

1 hour ago, Thpriest said:

I keep coming back to price and value. The Sonys are about 50% more expensive. Whilst the price of the new Lumixes seems a bit high for me at present, I'm sure that within a year the have great offers or bundles on all of the new cameras. That's when i usually pick them up. So far Lumix has offered me unbeatable value. I hope that continues.

Each to their own but for me it isn't just about the camera bodies, but the prices of the lenses.

There's more affordable lenses and better value money lenses for Sony E-mount, Fuji X and Nikon Z than for L-mount. As for the camera bodies I look only to the real street prices for mint condition used bodies, and occasionally the new price if I cannot afford to wait 5 or 6 weeks for the first used ones <2000 shutter count to come around.

Sony can justify their high pricing of the flagship stuff as they are popular and in demand, whereas Panasonic S1R II etc. is not.

But if we ignore the a1 II and a9 II for a moment and look at the other Sony bodies especially used, the value for money is actually very good in particular the a7 IV at £1400.

The a7r III used in mint condition can be had for as little as £900 or 1000 euro. That's an extremely capable stills camera with very good 4K as a bonus.

The OG Sony a9 is also a good deal around £1200, with the stacked sensor, 20fps raw, and oversampled 4K.

The ergonomic improvements from the original a7 through to the a7 III and a9 are significant as is colour science improvement.

a7 III can be had for well under £1000 today.

Looking at the newer stuff Sony a7r V mint condition is £2500 and brand new £3200.

Panasonic has a direct competitor with high megapixels and modern video features, of course that's the S1r II.

But it is only £200 less new and is in the same body as a lower-end camera, whereas the a7r V has the build quality and design of a flagship camera, if you put it side by side with the original Sony a1 for example you might even say it's higher-end.

The value for money in Panasonic's range is in the lower-end stuff. S5, S5 II, S9, and the older Micro Four Thirds stuff like GH6 which can be had for ridiculously low prices now.

If you are going to drop £3500 on an S1 II be prepared to lose £1000 immediately as you drive it off the forecourt, and another £1000 in 12 months when it drops to selling for just £1500 second hand like the a7 IV.