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So with all the negativity over auto focus and inferences (by some) that the GH5 isn't a good choice for vlogging (etc) it's very cool to see that pretty much the king of professional vlogging - Casey Neistat - is now using a GH5. He's a long time Canon and Sony fan so I assumed he wouldn't ever change.

Was funny as I was watching today's vlog and kept thinking; "ooh the quality on this one is so nice and different - wonder which Sony or Canon he's using".. then find out in the comments it's a GH5! Stood out to me when he was on the skateboard. Assuming he's using the 7-14mm perhaps.

Must admit it's surprising as he uses auto focus a lot and some of his gear has amazing AF performance (far beyond the GH5) so it must be doing a lot right for how he is using it.

 

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3 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Yes....with a slightly slower pan the motion will look great....one of the most overlooked aspects that's important in a camera, unless one shoots everything locked off....this camera is very far beyond the GH4 in every way!

Ken...are your hands that steady or is it the IBS doing such a good job?:glasses::glasses:

 

3 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Yes....with a slightly slower pan the motion will look great....one of the most overlooked aspects that's important in a camera, unless one shoots everything locked off....this camera is very far beyond the GH4 in every way!

Ken...are your hands that steady or is it the IBS doing such a good job?:glasses::glasses:

Fritz, I do admit to being pretty steady, but the IBIS surely helps a great deal. With my prior Sonys with IBIS and/or OIS (A7Rii & A6300), my steadiness was compromised by the Sony's jitter. The GH5's IBIS is really worlds better.

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33 minutes ago, JamesAllenVisual said:

So with all the negativity over auto focus and inferences (by some) that the GH5 isn't a good choice for vlogging (etc) it's very cool to see that pretty much the king of professional vlogging - Casey Neistat - is now using a GH5. He's a long time Canon and Sony fan so I assumed he wouldn't ever change.

Was funny as I was watching today's vlog and kept thinking; "ooh the quality on this one is so nice and different - wonder which Sony or Canon he's using".. then find out in the comments it's a GH5! Stood out to me when he was on the skateboard. Assuming he's using the 7-14mm perhaps.

Must admit it's surprising as he uses auto focus a lot and some of his gear has amazing AF performance (far beyond the GH5) so it must be doing a lot right for how he is using it.

 

That's pretty funny when a guy like him uses the GH5 with all of the AF naysaying. It's also funny that the AF worked far better for him than it ever did for Max. In fact if you've seen some of his other videos, he's gotten far worse results with other cameras. I guess he's another guy that got a pretty good one. ;)

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Unlike Photo Joseph, Zed ProMedia is familiar with both the Fuji X-T2 and Sony a6500. I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but when I was out vlogging  with the G85 yesterday, I lost a few shots because with the camera set to AFS and using tap to focus, even though my large unsightly head filled 3/4 of the screen, the camera kept focusing on the background, so I had to resort to manual focus for the rest of the day. Sure, manual focus is great, but when you're by yourself and you just want the camera to... 😣. I also hope the buttons on the clickwheel of the GH5 are raised more than on the G85, because with the camera pointed at my head, reaching around the back to adjust WB is a herculean task. It's even difficult when I'm behind the camera. Someone please tell me the buttons aren't too shallow.

 

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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah after reading reviews of it I can see Vivid is Way over the top colors wise. And yeah its not a Arri DR wise. But I can see it is hands down the best action camera there is out there.

Is the x3000 the lastest and greatest one Sony has?? I can see getting one myself for sure.

I think it's the latest, yes. Needs a u3 card for 4k and can't zoom in 4k. Only vivid and standard. Kinda poor low light. Blows highlights easily. BUT, I think it's brilliant. Doesn't overheat despite heating up like crazy, can recharge or power via usb, best stabilisation on market. Small! It's a sony handycam but so small! Use phone as monitor, connects within a couple of seconds, nice full screen HQ monitoring, long range. I've stuck on some duct tape to shade the lens protector a bit. The chinese 3 sucker mounts are kinda better than the sony one despite not being as long lasting. Action cams didn't impress me at all until the x3000 came along. 

23 hours ago, Ken Ross said:

Orangenz, yeah, lighting in venues like this is often odd and on the dim side. Couple that with a slow lens and a further reduction in available light as the result of zooming, doesn't provide the ideal recipe for the best skin tones. 

I had noise reduction at default (I never use intelligent resolution), but it would have been interesting to dial it all the way down. 

But given the conditions and a slow zoom, I was actually pretty happy with the results. For the record, it looked far better on my 65" OLED than on my 5K IMac.  

And the GH4 wouldn't get anywhere near it, that's for sure. 

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6 hours ago, tugela said:

Dude....just tape the Canon logo over the name plate and all will be fine and the footage will look fantastic. Really, its that simple! ;)

They are not misquoting you. They are disagreeing with what they understood you to be saying. If you meant something other than what they understood you to mean, then perhaps you should rephrase it to make it clearer rather than attacking them. You are the one who is acting defensively when faced with someone having an opinion different from yourself.

They literally put words I didn't say into quotes. What are they teaching you at school these days? Before jumping into conversations, take a moment, just a moment, to try and understand what's going on before injecting your opinion. Just google "quotes". Now I understand how fake news gets spread these days. I'm not going to respond to this anymore, because frankly, I think it's ridiculous. If you are still confused about how to use quotes just pm me. I majored in literature at the University of Michigan and have been writing professionally for over twenty years. I will attempt to explain clearly and succinctly the proper usage of quotes if you need me to, but I think we should stop discussing this here.

As far as staying on topic, I agree with you panny can take some things from Canon and it's probably not just the logo just as Canon can learn a few things from the others. Am I doing it right?

edit: Jon, if you find this tedious like I do, just delete it.

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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

Unlike Photo Joseph, Zed ProMedia is familiar with both the Fuji X-T2 and Sony a6500. I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but when I was out vlogging  with the G85 yesterday, I lost a few shots because with the camera set to AFS and using tap to focus, even though my large unsightly head filled 3/4 of the screen, the camera kept focusing on the background, so I had to resort to manual focus for the rest of the day. Sure, manual focus is great, but when you're by yourself and you just want the camera to... 😣. I also hope the buttons on the clickwheel of the GH5 are raised more than on the G85, because with the camera pointed at my head, reaching around the back to adjust WB is a herculean task. It's even difficult when I'm behind the camera. Someone please tell me the buttons aren't too shallow.

 

Jon, I can tell you first hand, owning both, the GH5 has much better AF than the G85. The funny thing is, what you experienced I've also had happen with both the Sony A6300 & A7Rii. It would absolutely amaze me that someones head could fill up 1/2 to 2/3rds of the frame, and the camera would still insist on focusing on the background. I guess all these cameras can do that at the most inopportune time...except maybe the Canons? Never used em.

And hey, why were you readjusting WB after hitting record? Did the lighting change that much? ;)

Isn't there a law in Vietnam about adjusting WB and vlogging at the same time?

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6 minutes ago, Ken Ross said:

Jon, I can tell you first hand, owning both, the GH5 has much better AF than the G85. The funny thing is, what you experienced I've also had happen with both the Sony A6300 & A7Rii. It would absolutely amaze me that someones head could fill up 1/2 to 2/3rds of the frame, and the camera would still insist on focusing on the background. I guess all these cameras can do that at the most inopportune time...except maybe the Canons? Never used em.

And hey, why were you readjusting WB after hitting record? Did the lighting change that much? ;)

Isn't there a law in Vietnam about adjusting WB and vlogging at the same time?

😂😂 Each time the lighting changes, I reset the WB, focus, then hit record.

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7 hours ago, JamesAllenVisual said:

So with all the negativity over auto focus and inferences (by some) that the GH5 isn't a good choice for vlogging (etc) it's very cool to see that pretty much the king of professional vlogging - Casey Neistat - is now using a GH5. He's a long time Canon and Sony fan so I assumed he wouldn't ever change.

Was funny as I was watching today's vlog and kept thinking; "ooh the quality on this one is so nice and different - wonder which Sony or Canon he's using".. then find out in the comments it's a GH5! Stood out to me when he was on the skateboard. Assuming he's using the 7-14mm perhaps.

Must admit it's surprising as he uses auto focus a lot and some of his gear has amazing AF performance (far beyond the GH5) so it must be doing a lot right for how he is using it.

 

Nicest looking vlog from him ever? Looks like he's running around with a RED. Very nice. You can see how he frames subjects he wants in focus like his face. I see he's still a silly SJW though. If you're on a plane, follow the instructions from the captain and people with security badges. End of story. 

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16 hours ago, hoodlum said:

Anamorphic squeeze update.

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-is-working-on-a-de-squeeze-for-the-anamorphic-modes-in-the-gh5-to-be-released-this-summer/

“…We put pressure to our devs to put a proper de-squeeze for the anamorphic modes in the GH5 (let’s hope for it in the summer firmware update that’ll bring 6K anamorphic)…”

No need for expensive external monitors for de squeeze option if it is true!

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10 hours ago, Hanriverprod said:

They literally put words I didn't say into quotes. What are they teaching you at school these days? Before jumping into conversations, take a moment, just a moment, to try and understand what's going on before injecting your opinion. Just google "quotes". Now I understand how fake news gets spread these days. I'm not going to respond to this anymore, because frankly, I think it's ridiculous. If you are still confused about how to use quotes just pm me. I majored in literature at the University of Michigan and have been writing professionally for over twenty years. I will attempt to explain clearly and succinctly the proper usage of quotes if you need me to, but I think we should stop discussing this here.

In my post I said:
your first comment indeed appeared to imply "yes, it's filmic but it's because the lighting, depth of field etc"

I don't see how one can misinterpret that as a direct quote -- even if I did use the quotation marks incorrectly, I also clearly stated "appeared to imply", denoting the following as my take on your words. I used quotation marks to separate the phrase from the rest of the sentence and somewhat in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

BTW, English is my third language and it would appear perfectly normal in my native one to use quotes to summarize, so apologies if I made a mistake here.

 

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58 minutes ago, zetty said:

In my post I said:
your first comment indeed appeared to imply "yes, it's filmic but it's because the lighting, depth of field etc"

I don't see how one can misinterpret that as a direct quote -- even if I did use the quotation marks incorrectly, as if I clearly said "appeared to imply", denoting the following as my take on your post. I used quotation marks to separate the phrase from the rest of the sentence and somewhat in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

BTW, English is my third language and it would appear perfectly normal in my native one to use quotes to summarize, so apologies if I made a mistake here.

 

Just don't use quotes when someone didn't say it. Is that so difficult to understand? Just write that I am implying whatever you think I am implying instead of saying that I said exactly what you think I am implying when I didn't say it. People will read it without context and think I said those words. There is a huge distinction there. Would you like it if I misattributed quotes to you on the Internet? Also, even though you are going around misquoting people as well, it's not as a grievous example as what Andy was doing since you did use the word imply, but it's still wrong. Just write: You implied that it's filmic because of the lighting, etc...

And the funny thing is, after all this, that wasn't what I was implying. The implication was that even though the image looked nice because of all these techniques and the weather, it still looked videoy, which is fine. It has its own aesthetic.  But let's be honest, the film stock aesthetic is the gold standard we are referencing when we nitpick these cameras even if you don't want to admit it. It has nothing to do with being a snob or some kind of image classism (which is ridiculous), but that we dream to be able to produce images the same quality as well produced movies on these budget cameras. Even shooting weddings, videographers are more and more pushing to get cinema-like images. I now even see some of them are referring to themselves as filmmakers which to me is fine. They are using images to tell a story. That's not to say images that can't yet live to that gold standard should be dismissed because, yes, content is king, but this is a camera forum. I don't want to get a lecture from neophytes about the importance of storytelling and technique when I share an opinion about a new camera. So not only was your use of quotes wrong so was what you thought I implied.

And are you being serious with this scare quotes nonsense? Per wikipedia link you shared, "The term "scare quotes" as it refers to the punctuation marks was coined in 1956 by G. E. M. Anscombe in an essay "Aristotle and the Sea Battle" published in Mind; a Quarterly Review of Psychology and Philosophy."

 Just be respectful about other people's opinions and move on. Don't misquote them. Even so-called journalists these days are pulling this crap, and it's wrong so stop it.

Also, it's a camera. It has flaws. Deal with it. I'm not the one acting like a baby by trying to figure out what it's strength and weaknesses are. People defending it blindly because of the marketing and hype are the ones who need to re-evaluate how much consumerism impacts their value system. In this thread alone, I admitted I was mistaken about some characteristics of the camera, because some of the forum members were kind enough to share examples that were contrary to what I thought. I think that's productive.

Also, I accept your apology. Let's move on.

edit 1: I asked my wife before I read your post how Koreans used quotation marks because I thought maybe some of you were non-English speakers, and she said it was to directly quote someone. She also believes quotation marks didn't appear in Korea until after the Japanese Occupation, but Korean students are still being taught the correct usage of quotation marks. People abuse quotes by using what they said out of context but to just put words that were never said in quotes is just messed up.

edit 2: My wife and I have been having a good laugh about this thread the last few days, and she just said to me, "It's more important to not fight then to be right."

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3 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

Is it helpful to the thread? Can I take it to private message? Does anyone care that I'm offended? All good questions. On the actual topic then, my new battery charger is 2A, not 0.6 A. For the GH5 the stock charger is not sufficient or quick enough.

Have you seen Zed ProMedia's review that I posted this morning? I believe he says to expect around 1-1/2 hours from one battery. Do you think that's accurate?

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12 hours ago, jonpais said:

when I was out vlogging  with the G85 yesterday, I lost a few shots because with the camera set to AFS and using tap to focus, even though my large unsightly head filled 3/4 of the screen, the camera kept focusing on the background, so I had to resort to manual focus for the rest of the day. Sure, manual focus is great, but when you're by yourself and you just want the camera to... 😣

 

I don't understand... Not possible to get focus using tap to focus?!

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25 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

Is it helpful to the thread? Can I take it to private message? Does anyone care that I'm offended? All good questions. On the actual topic then, my new battery charger is 2A, not 0.6 A. For the GH5 the stock charger is not sufficient or quick enough.

Sorry....can you clarify....did you buy a second charger because the GH5 charger is too slow, and if so, do you mind sharing a link to what you bought....also do you know per chance whether the stock GH4 & GH5 chargers are identical....I believe the batteries are...

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13 minutes ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Sorry....can you clarify....did you buy a second charger because the GH5 charger is too slow, and if so, do you mind sharing a link to what you bought....also do you know per chance whether the stock GH4 & GH5 chargers are identical....I believe the batteries are...

I bought Patona charger that takes 2 batteries at the same time. It's USB powered and requires 2.1A input minimum, which I can provide with a dedicated adapter (mine is 2.4A and it seems to charge quickly enough, although I haven't compared the time with Panasonic's original charger directly). Also, I have found out Patona and in particular Dot.Foto batteries to be of better quality than the rest of generic ones -- in fact, they last almost the same time as the original, just somewhat less precise with determining of how much juice there's left. I think both of these brands are available in Europe only.

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3 minutes ago, zetty said:

I bought Patona charger that takes 2 batteries at the same time. It's USB powered and requires 2.1A input minimum, which I can provide with a dedicated adapter (mine is 2.4A and it seems to charge quickly enough, although I haven't compared the time with Panasonic's original charger directly). Also, I have found out Patona and in particular Dot.Foto batteries to be of better quality than the rest of generic ones -- in fact, they last almost the same time as the original, just somewhat less precise with determining of how much juice there's left. I think both of these brands are available in Europe only.

Does the camera "see" these batteries when you use them?

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