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Sony FS5 - why I bought one


Andrew Reid
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Grading is powerful... But it is not a garunteed safety net.

I find Sony has a slight blue/magenta cast on skintones... When you warm those skintones to make them more natural, you also warm areas of the scene that then could look unnatural.

The gap is getting smaller though... Looking forward to testing the FS5... With raw, it could be a winner.

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I find Sony has a slight blue/magenta cast on skintones... When you warm those skintones to make them more natural, you also warm areas of the scene that then could look unnatural.

Maybe this is why they now have 3 colour temperatures of S-Gamut on the FS5.

Anyone had experience with FS7 raw? Issues?

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You're right, the file names give it away!

They look close though don't they, considering 500Mbit 4:2:2 on the 1D C and just 100Mbit 4:2:0 on the FS5.

Grading is a powerful tool!

The first image is FS5, second is 1DC when viewing the filenames; matches guesses based on color and  DOF. Bitrate and color sampling have nothing to do with color (will affect sharpness and macroblocking. 422 vs. 420 is very hard to see difference unless pixel peeping or keying (only some cases- the upsampling from 420 /422to 444 in NLEs results in slightly softer chroma- almost impossible to see)).

Again, I'm impressed with the improved color quality of the A7S II and even more the A7R II. Not clear regarding the FS5 yet- would need to see side-by-side with Canon/ARRI for live skintones, especially indoor lighting (LEDs, tungsten (easier for all cameras- continuous spectrum light source), fluorescent (harder for all cameras- tends to be spikey spectrum, especially green), and mixed lighting (the common case for location shooting- hardest to deal with)).

BTW- Canon is offering $500-1000 rebates until March 31st: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?343200-New-Canon-Instant-Rebates-on-the-C100-and-C100mkII

$1500 off on this bad boy: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043629-REG/canon_9785b001_cn7x17_kas_s_cine_servo.html. Fixed T2.95 and variable servo zoom- great lens for S35 cameras and location/fast shooting.

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I more intrested if it make sense to ugrade from A7sii then the old 1Dc discussion. 

Is the picture any better?

Obviously the ND filter is nice, but we lose the IBIS and would get back the micro shake when hand held.

(before the Raw comes along)

 

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I more intrested if it make sense to ugrade from A7sii then the old 1Dc discussion. 

Is the picture any better?

Obviously the ND filter is nice, but we lose the IBIS and would get back the micro shake when hand held.

(before the Raw comes along)

So far I've only had the camera for a few days so hard to really give a definitive answer.

So far I'm not seeing any big image quality advantage from the FS5 over the A7S II, aside from rolling shutter obviously. And that is pretty important.

The 4K looks a bit sharper maybe.

I wouldn't upgrade on image quality alone. I'd upgrade for the form factor above all and the following:

  • Built in variable ND (great feature!)
  • Raw upgrade coming
  • Much longer battery run times and much quicker charging
  • Much more dramatic slow-mo and full super 35mm sensor scan in 240fps
  • Better monitoring and audio
  • Better connections (SDI and XLR)
  • Much less rolling shutter in 4K
  • Better video ergonomics, nice top handle, no need to rig out with cage, etc.
  • Better balanced
  • Not as fiddly
  • The built in EVF is articulated

And over the C100 II I would have to say off the top of my head:

  • Speed Booster compatible for full frame look
  • Internal 4K recording
  • High frame rates / cache record
  • Variable ND
  • PL mount adapter compatibile (can't wait to use my Cookes on it)
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Your bookshelf doesn't look any different in 240 :)

I want to love Sony. I have been shooting 5D3 raw for a personal project, FS700/7Q for work. High frame rates are great, wish the FS700 could shoot 24/30 like the 5D3 Raw does.

I also want to like this new generation of Sony cameras. Ever since magic lantern blew the lid off canon DSLRs by enabling RAW, I've been expecting an HD/2K camera to come along that offers similar quality in proper shape at a decent price. Instead its all 4K smoke and mirrors, delivered with flaky, pain in the ass codecs.

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I also want to like this new generation of Sony cameras. Ever since magic lantern blew the lid off canon DSLRs by enabling RAW, I've been expecting an HD/2K camera to come along that offers similar quality in proper shape at a decent price. Instead its all 4K smoke and mirrors, delivered with flaky, pain in the ass codecs.

Funny. I agree with you!!

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I shoot lots of weddings and also music videos/shorts.  I really like the Canon C100MKII look but hate the lack of 4k and 120fps.  The c300mkii is awesome but out of my budget. I really like the FS5 but do notice it has a "slightly" more videoish look when compared to the c100mkii (I think cause it is so sharp).  Also, I might have a hard time matching colors with my 5diii and gh4.  Any feedback is greatly appreciated!  

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I shoot lots of weddings and also music videos/shorts.  I really like the Canon C100MKII look but hate the lack of 4k and 120fps.  The c300mkii is awesome but out of my budget. I really like the FS5 but do notice it has a "slightly" more videoish look when compared to the c100mkii (I think cause it is so sharp).  Also, I might have a hard time matching colors with my 5diii and gh4.  Any feedback is greatly appreciated!  

You're essentially getting a 4K image scaled to 1080 with the C100ii. So unless you're wanting to crop in more than 50% it's not really an issue. Now 120fps would be nice

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You're essentially getting a 4K image scaled to 1080 with the C100ii. So unless you're wanting to crop in more than 50% it's not really an issue. Now 120fps would be nice

:D

Funny, I spoke to a Canon rep and he stated that the C100MKII does NOT scale down which I found weird since I too read somewhere it does.

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Funny, I spoke to a Canon rep and he stated that the C100MKII does NOT scale down which I found weird since I too read somewhere it does.

What he means is that the sensor outputs all pixels (4K) for extra RGB data when producing the 1080p image on the processor.

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What he means is that the sensor outputs all pixels (4K) for extra RGB data when producing the 1080p image on the processor.

That is what I thought I asked the guy at Canon, does the C100MKII scale down from a 4k image to produce a 1080 image.  His exact words were, "no, there is no 4k hardware at all inside the camera."  

Regardless, at $4600 with Ninja, do you think the C100mkII a good buy?  I really want to like the FS5 but something inside of me keeps telling me to go with Canon color.  Especially since my B cams are a GH4 and a 60d, 5diii.

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