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2 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

I am a huge fan of the XT3. You mentioned the lack of IBIS is a downside. Could you afford a used gimbal on top of the XT3? Or would warp stabilizer work well enough for your purposes? It would be sketchy for walking shots (though to be fair, so would IBIS), but warp stabilizer can do wonders for a relatively steady handheld shot.

Especially if the lens has OIS.
 

Just got to decide your first priority than second and make the choice from there. Hard to narrow it down. What feature would benefit you most shooting your docs? Or what held you back on the GH3? Sometimes you just gotta go with what feels right. These latest offerings from Fuji, Panasonic, Nikon, and even Sony are all great tools.

21 minutes ago, kaylee said:

 

for sure, like... all the best places for this would never let me shoot there ? but im still lookin, and one thing ive learned about independent producing is that it sure doesnt hurt to ask, and you never kno, you might be surprised~! its happened before~!

 

Yeah you never know. I am not sure where you are from so I am sure that effects it. Detroit is known to be kind of loose in general in terms of that type of thing. This place didn't have any security so as long as you knew someone who had a room there you could get away with shooting. To be honest there wasn't anyone stopping anyone from walking around in there as there were tons of open rooms and halls. Not that I'd recommend it tho lol. 

https://***URL not allowed***/best-way-downsample-4k-smartphone-footage/

interesting

Some type of plant would work, though I could see it being a big liability issue as far as getting permission to film there. I am from Detroit and there is a lot of old buildings that could work. The Russel Center comes to mind which is an old manufacturing facility, which they now rent out spaces in. I help shoot a short there last year. Might be something to look into, not that specific one but manufacturing facilities in general.

42 minutes ago, thephoenix said:

Another one i can't find 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2315596/technical?ref_=ttloc_sa_5

Tried to find some behind the scenes stuff but can't find anything.

2 hours ago, stefanocps said:

in my country there are now 2 at 1300, in a second hand magazine. But i fear we need to add at least the same amount to be ready to use it, for lens and recorder. So that go beyond the budget

Its a bigger camera so stabilization like gimbals will be a bit more expensive. Its got internal ND's which is a big plus. You need an external recorder to get 10 bit out of it. But it has the potential to do RAW 4K 120fps. 

I doubt the auto focus is very good if it has it. You could use Sony stabilized lenses, which are a good option. I don't think its the easiest camera to use and its on the bulky/awkward side. However internal ND's go a long way if you shoot outside.

2 minutes ago, Tiki_ said:

I’d like to to see a new camera from blackmagic to replace the micro, but they should rebrand it as an Ursa micro with the following:

-similar design to ursa mini pro but smaller

-p4k sensor

 

Seems like they wouldn't put the same sensor in a higher end body. The P4K sensor is so good it wouldn't be a bad idea though. Using a sensor like the Sony one in the XT3 would be a good idea as well. 

4 hours ago, IronFilm said:

What does a used GH5 go for, a couple hundred dollars more than that combo? Seems like a no brainer for the GH5

Otherwise put that $400 to a G85

As 8bit vlog isn't exactly appealing, and battery life is already pretty good in all Panasonics anyway, etc 

Yeah I was saying if their was a cheaper external recording option. 

The GH5 battery life was considerably less than the GH4 though. IBIS really killed it I think. 

27 minutes ago, kye said:

 

Here's a pic to get you fired up..  SLR Magic 8mm on GH5:

and if that tickles you then you'll absolutely love this one..  Lomo 40mm on GH5 via an adapter and mounted in a hole cut in the body cap (it was a fixed lens with proprietary mounting thread so no adapters available):

 

Man that SLR magic is tiny. Mounting the lens via bodycap was a great idea, love the ingenuity. 

There seems to be a lot of opinions on the downsampling 8 bit 4k to get 10 bit 444. The program you use to downsample and how you do it matter a lot. If not done right the extra information will just be tossed out the window. One of the benefits of shooting at a higher bit depth is better color accuracy and more shades of color. You won't get that downsampling 8 bit 4k as the color is already baked in. You also won't see the higher dynamic range benefits using a camera that shoots at a higher bit depth usually brings. 

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/hd-uhd-2k-digital-cinema/534402-converting-4k-8-bit-420-hd-10-bit-444-a.html
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=79003

That said all I've found is talk on it. Would be interesting if someone actually compared it to see if it makes a difference in grading. I only found mention of one bloke who tried it and said it didn't grade anywhere near as well as 444 recorded internally does. That said he could have been downsampling improperly.

Just now, kaylee said:

 

just for the record, if i ever make one million dollars in a year, working on a famous show in hollywood, i will absolutely be thrilled and declare Mission Accomplished™

 

I'd hire some people to stage a hate crime and try to get more popular. 

49 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I'm not sure I follow why it removes that possibility?

With a full frame lens you set the VSM scaling to 100%.

So a 50mm lens on a 0.7 speedbooster would then be 52.5mm FOV (50 x 0.7 x 1.5).

Not quite full frame coverage but very close.

And faster.

 

Ah I was a bit confused on if an M43 speedbooster works the same as an apsc(insert brand here) mount one. Makes sense.

27 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Yes, it acts as an APS-C camera would so you get full coverage with an APS-C lens and a crop of a full frame one but obviously you can also use a Speedbooster on the full frame lens to get a lot of that crop back as well as an increase in speed.

One aspect that seldom gets mentioned is that if you want you can actually use an APS-C lens on a Speedbooster to make it faster and then use the VSM to crop back into it to counteract the vignetting.

So, for example, I have a Tamron 16-300mm all purpose travel zoom that is a bit slow at f3.5-f5.6 but on a Speedbooster it becomes a far healthier f2.8-f4 and I set the VSM to 85% to take out the vignetting.

Ditto for the Sigma ART 18-35mm f1.8 it becomes f1.2 and the VSM at 85% maintains its field of view as though it were on an APS-C camera.

With a little extra reach as well of course courtesy of the additional zoom function.

That's pretty cool. Of course it takes out the possibility of full frame view with a speedbooster. But its a unique advantage. 

2 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Focus assist features, better 1080p codec, V-log, much better battery life, etc. I love the G85 and would personally choose it over a GH4 (in fact I did!), but it is missing some of these cinema camera features first found in the GH4 and expanded on in the GH5. 

Yeah I mean you can find a used GH4 for $400 these days, thats a little over $1000 with Ninja V. Thats a bit cheaper than a used GH5 but not by a lot. Also even with a Ninja V the GH4 is still far behind the GH5 capabilities. If there was a cheaper external recording option it would be more valuable. 

The GH4 is not a bad camera on its own though. Definitely has limitations. 

If you want or need that type of body I guess. 

With a bigger body like that it seems like it should have more processing power. Something like a GH5S with internal 10 bit up to 120fps prores would be a good way to go. Zcam is kind of already doing that tho. 

I'd be interested if they did a MK2.

Just got a Nikon 85mm 1.8 pre ai I am really impressed. This may be my favorite lens I've ever used next to the Minolta 35mm 1.8. Contrast and sharpness wide open is remarkable. I think it also just renders images nicely, can't put my finger on it. 

from the XT3 eterna jpegs, also used a lens turbo focal reducer 

I probably would have been tempted towards this camera though the lack of 10 bit was a bummer for me. If it was a better low light performer and had 10 bit it would be a really cool offering. 

2 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't recommend the Pocket4K mostly because of the battery life and the need to rig it up with better battery sources / external SSD, etc. Not ideal for documentary shooting other than interviews. 

Seems like their are some pretty easy battery solutions but yeah. The XT3 battery life isn't great either but you can get a battery grip.

Seems like they'll be sticking to M43  for their GH line. Maybe they'd release something inbetween a GH5 and EVA1 though. 

Just now, newfoundmass said:

The GH4, even in 2019, is a great camera and honestly, for how little you can get them for now, is one of the best "bang for your buck" cameras when you factor in all the cine features. 

The auto focus though is substantially worse than the GH5, the low light is also much worse than the GH5. And no IBIS stinks. 

Yeah it is definitely not a bad camera for what they go for now. Considering you get 10 bit output. Its also a very fun camera to use. Nice flip out screen, nice size, battery runs forever. 

The original BM pocket is around the same price with similar noise performance and internal 10-12 bit recording. Its a trainwreck practically speaking though compared to the GH4 and you don't get 60fps. 

1 minute ago, stefanocps said:

Just found this

What you think?

https://***URL removed***/forums/post/53141471

This could simplify some thing

I've heard that before. I've never tested it but I am pretty sure its BS. Downsampling 4k to 10bit 444 won't give you the same results as getting actual 10 bit 444 out of something like the C300 or 12 bit RAW out of a BMPCC.

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Here’s my 2 cents... the X-T3 is great. I think it’s the best camera released last year. The GH5 is also great and offers some production elements that are unheard of for a camera in that price range.

But to keep in mind, to use both of them at their highest level, it will require a pretty good computer to edit the footage unless you’re okay transcoding to a different codec before you bring the footage into your NLE or using proxies. I’m unsure how proxies work with h.265 footage since it’s such a compressed codec that it still may require a fair amount of processing power to go through them.

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the P4K. Even the 4K ProRes LT looks great with that camera but it will require some patience to get your hands on one and a little bit to rig up.

Good luck with your choice.

I didn't recommend the Pocket as it didn't seem like he needed something with that much IQ power. Definitely a good option in general though. 

8 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

xt20 or 30?

Yes you touch an importan tpoint the editing possibility of h265,..that scares me, my pc is oggd, was ood, t is 4 years old and i fear it could be a nightmare working with xt3 files

I wouldnt struggle with xt30 right? or may be i will have less hard time with XH1 also?what about gh5's files?

Opps I meant the XT30, the XT20 is a big step down.

The GH5 10 bit H264 files are easier on the system than Fuji 10 bit H265. Though its likely you may have to transcode both files to prores. 

4K even in 8 bit is harder to edit, depends on how fast your PC is. I always edit in 1080 for smoother playback.

In general when recording 8 bit the XH1, XT30, and XT3 will all edit the same. The XT3 has the All-I recording option at 400mbps, which is less compressed, so it will edit a bit better. Huge file sizes though. 


 

4 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

too sharp, a times seems so electronic image

The Fuji image is more organic. You can grade with 8 bit, I honestly don't think you'll be unhappy with the XT-20. If money isn't an issue go with the XT3, but if its a choice between the XT3 or more lenses I'd get more lenses. 

If you use the XT3 you'll have to transcode the 10 bit files to prores or something that you can edit. H265 10 bit edits like a snail on most PCs.