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Just now, stefanocps said:

may be xt3 is overall and worthy better option over xt30

Its definitely a great camera, though you may not need it. The XT30 has the same H264 image quality and auto focus at a cheaper price. I may have went with the XT30 if it had been released last year when I got the XT3, but I am not sure. I rarely do extensive grading so 8 bit is fine for me 90% of the time realistically. 

1 minute ago, newfoundmass said:

I understand. I think the colors out of the GH5 have improved greatly since the GH3. That was one of the major things we saw first with the GH4 and later with the GH5 and GH5s. I usually do little, if any, tweaking with the footage I get unless I'm going for a specific look or absolutely need to. 

Even though it's a 2 year old camera it's not completely fair to hold that against it. It still does stuff that other cameras don't, and there's still no camera in its price range that matches all of its features. The Panasonic GH5 was so ahead that it took 2 years for everyone else to catch up, and even so they didn't completely.

Nothing matches it in terms of overall features. Fuji pretty much has it beat, but no IBIS and of course no 422 if that is your need. 

3 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

i think xt3 witn 18 55 could really be the one for me, and if needed i could get later a gimbal. Still i could save money getting xh1 or xt30. How will it change in practice the difference 8/10 bit recording?What are the specs on hdmi recording with xt30?

You can record 10 bit 422 out on the XT30, so it has future upgrade potential. 

Log doesn't grade as well in 8 bit. Fuji log isn't too bad though better then 8 bit sony S-log or Panasonic 8 bit V-log. However you also can record in Eterna, which isn't log but has pretty high dynamic range. Getting a cheap speedbooster plus some cheap vintage lenses gives you some pretty cool results on the Fuji too.

8 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

I know what you mean, gh5 also is a real otpion for me too. What stop me is 1) it is old technbology right now.2/3 years makes a lot of difference. And anothe r thinf g is that wether i know gh3 is another world from gh5 they have something in common, i thonk it is  t he panasonic flavour. And i am kind of fedup with this flavour. For sure with a good cc the flavour change totally, i am talking about the filke played has it comes out from the machine

The GH5 with vlog and HLG definitely has a different flavor, the lessened crop and IBIS make it a really unique camera. I do agree the tech is getting older. I wish the GH5S had IBIS, it really would be hard to beat.

21 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

what you using now, gh5? anyway it seems that the choice is gh5 or XT3(or xh1 for more lenses options with same budget)

Right now I have an XT3, XT2, and BM pocket camera. I do weddings so I need three cameras and its nice to have back ups for paid work. 

I went with Fuji as I like their color, means less work in post, sometimes no color work in post. Canon is great for color too but Fuji products offer a lot more for a lot less. Low light performance is a big plus as well as auto focus. 

The XT3 with a used kit lens 18-55, is the best bang for your buck right now I think. The 18-55 has OIS so you can do some handheld work too. If you don't need 10bit the Fuji XT30 with kit lens would be a good deal. You'd save $400.

I almost went with an XH1 as a second camera, but I really don't need IBIS. Especially because the Fuji IBIS is not as good as panasonic. Good as a tripod replacement but I don't mind just using a tripod. I may have gone with a Z6 but the color science isn't as pleasing and I couldn't afford buying two of them. I am very happy with the XT3.

8 minutes ago, anonim said:

Overexposed at the face area?

Actually you are right, the Panasonic skin looks much nicer. 

54 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

that is why i try to go for a camera with a usable kit lens

Yeah I usually get lenses separate as they often charge more for the kit lens than I can get it used, if I get the kit lens at all. But I am in the US so may not be the same where you live. 

Gotta weigh your options man. Its hard to know what is beneficial without using it. I had the GH5 for a while only to find IBIS wasn't that important to me. 

Whats your experience with the EVA1? 

10 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

with a big effort i could go slightly over 2k euro

Yeah it would really limit your possible lens selection. I guess you could still use your GH3 for some shots. 

3 hours ago, stefanocps said:

c100 is well above my budget, can t consider it. 4k is a must, not because i deliver at 4k but for the cropping possibility that expand a lot the possibility when editing

Whats your budget including lenses? 

I'd still say the Z6 is the best option out there all around. 

Keep in mind longer lenses like he 45-175 on M43 are like 90-350. On full frame you don't get that long range. So M43 has that benefit. Lenses are also smaller. Imagine the size of a 90-350 on full frame. Consider that as well. Do you mind hauling around a bigger system for doc work? 

The GH5 is hard to beat for run and gun, great IBIS and great lens options. Not great in low light, though with fast lenses it can be. The 25mm .95 is a great option, though for wider stuff you have to pay a lot. 

I liked the video. Definitely a very practical camera to own. 

I don't watch many tv shows but I had heard of Empire. I hadn't heard of the latest scandal until a friend pointed it out to me though. Crazy stuff, I think the bigger deal is a lot of big names were backing his story.

2 hours ago, kye said:

Daylight WB and shooting straight into the late afternoon sun.

If it works for Philip Bloom......

yep haha

It looks like the Nikon may have been overexposed, looking at the house behind him. 

Flaring is another thing you might want to test. That is if you care about it. 

I think your tests will yield great accurate results for the most part. 

Though do you care about the nitty gritty details that much? Would taking the lens out and shooting with it better show you if you like its characteristics. 

31 minutes ago, kye said:

I don't use AF on the GH5 so can't comment.  Camera reviewers make a big deal of these things, but what they don't tell you is that they're often using it for recording the camera reviews they make.  I would imagine it's quite a personal thing, depending on the circumstances that you put the camera into.  I think it's kind of gotten blown out of proportion really, it seems like the GH5 can't ever focus and the other cameras never miss focus, but that's just not true.  Even if it was 90% vs 95%, that's still 90%.

I don't think the XT-3 was out when I bought my GH5, maybe I'm wrong.  I guess in the same way that people think of the AF on the GH5 as "risking it", I thought of other cameras IBIS as "risking it" when the GH5 was the IBIS king for a long time.  I shoot almost exclusively hand-held so the IBIS is a huge deal for me.  I'm not 100% sure that it is still the IBIS king now, but the combination ofnnearly the best IBIS, 10-bit internal, huge range of lenses available, rock solid industry standard performer was really the balance of things for me.

People say the XT-3 is great, and they're probably right

I think its still probably the best IBIS, other than Olympus. Dual IS really is crazy good. Auto focuses has its uses, shooting fast subjects or cars or tracking shots with a super shallow DOF. In general though I agree its a bit overrated. I remember shooting a typical gimbal tracking shot with my XT20, had to redo it so many times due to inaccurate AF. May have been smarter if I just switched to manual, stopped down a bit and kept the same distance from the actor to stay in focus. That said the XT3 would have handled it really easily. 

Way better than the GH5 and its not released yet. Could become something usable.

Very cool lens! Love the color in those first two shots.

6 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Man, how one can go from a GH3 to a C200?! 

The usual suspects right now are the GH5/XT3/Z6, with the Z as the best true hybrid, maybe!

Its definitely a jump but if you don't need photos its a great option. Built in ND's would be really nice for doc work. 

Would be hard to beat the Z6 in terms of usability. Lots of Nikon glass to choose from, IBIS, crazy low light performance, good dynamic range, decent color, future upgrade potential. 

I think the questions come down to lowlight performance and IBIS needs. 

The XH1 is not a bad option either. Also really cheap if you buy used. The extra money can go to getting glass. 

How often would you use IBIS over a tripod or gimbal?

If you already got a bunch of M43 lenses the GH5 is an easy option. Continuous auto focus isn't very reliable but tap to focus works good if you have decent lighting to work with. Won't work for quick moving situations though.

Why do you need IBIS?

A canon C200 might be a good option. You'd have the benefit of a compact video camera with internal ND's and no record limits. Also good color, auto focus, and the benefit of Canon OIS Lenses (good substitute for IBIS).

The Nikon Z6 is also a decent option, no 10 bit internal but the image it produces is pretty nice regardless. Also has great IBIS, auto focus and the ability to do 10 and 12 it external.

Yes I've seen ads and stuff

I like the idea, the smaller the better when it comes to this type of stuff.

Lovely frame grabs. I am going to play around with those effects.

3 hours ago, Kisaha said:

If you can afford the Z ecosystem, go the Z6 way, if not, X-T3 will be sufficient for what you do and I big upgrade of what you are having right now.

GH5 is a video workhorse but not a great photo camera (I did a couple photo jobs with one last summer), especially for someone do 90% photos. If it was the other way around (90% videos) then GH5 is a great idea.

Yeah the XT3 is hard to beat. Unless you really need the IBIS of the GH5. The stills dynamic range on the XT3 is so good I find that I don't think full frame would offer much of an advantage, other than low light performance and FOV.

1 hour ago, photographer-at-large said:

Upcoming 4/3 sensor from Fairchild:

https://www.fairchildimaging.com/products/scmos-sensors/mst4323

GH6 sensor maybe. I foresee 4k 120fps 

2 minutes ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

Yeah, the BMPCC4K is definitely on my list. Wish it had a tilting screen and / or was a little more gimbal friendly.

Still thinking about the X-T3 though... or the Pansonic S1 if they ever develop a reasonable 16-35mm lens.

Since 90% of my business is from stills so that means the BMPCC4K would have to be a video-only camera for me.

Could go the GH5 route but I think X-T3 might be a bit better for stills and - all things being equal - might give me a bit better low light performance / dynamic range than a GH5 with the aps-c size sensor of the X-T3.

If the Z6 had 10-bit internal I could live with that (even though it seems like there is no prospect of Z6 ever having 4K 60fps). Heck, my friend still shoots real estate video in glorious 1080p on his D750.

Yeah TBH I don't care about 4k at all, much rather have dynamic range or 10 bit. As long as its a good 1080p codec I really can't tell the difference. 

The XT3 is definitely nice. Dynamic range is better than the GH5 in my experience in video. Dynamic range as well as low light performance in photos really blows the GH5 away. If you are looking for a hybrid camera its hard to beat.