thebrothersthre3

2 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Because the cpu's in cameras pack the same power as a flagship smartphones made by companies with market caps of almost $1 Trillion US? 

My reasoning is that 4k is twice the resolution of 1080p. So if the camera can process 4k it should be able to record two 1080 frames at the same time. Maybe have a software plugin that processes them in post if the camera can't do it. I think the GoPro does this with some of its stabilization. I am not a technician just guessing. 
 

3 minutes ago, forofilms said:

Not a fan of Tony Northrop. But...

Huge body.

Insanely expensive lenses. 

Cropped 4K60p.

Dubious AF performance. 

Image still has the veneer of video (imho). 

Not a dud but far from the perfect camera. 

I don't really think a small body is feasible with full frame IBIS and being able to process full frame 4k 10bit or 4k 60p while managing heat properly. 

12 minutes ago, Martin Kuipers said:

I'm really tempted to make this my hybrid camera as I already own the xpro1 and the 35mm f/1.4 and 18mm f/2, and shoot video on a bmmcc and the panny 12-35mm f/2.8. As I only use both for personal projects, this is a bit of a hassle.

The thing that holds me back is the manual fly-by-wire focussing of the native xf lenses. On the xpro1 using manual focussing (in photo mode) is horrible. It jitters and the focus is visible in 'steps', not to mention the noise (audible thuck-thuck-thuck). Even if the autofocus modes seems to be good, I would prefer to fall back on a manual focus option that is useable. 

Can somebody please inform me about the native xf lenses and their preformance in manual focussing mode on the xt3?

 

In my experience they are basically impossible to manual focus at least if you are pulling focus for a moving shot. Focus throw is either way to long or too short. Thats with the 50mm f2, 23mm f2, 18-55mm, and 50-230mm 

This is pretty much standard across all brands though. I have a set of vintage lenses I use for manual focusing. 

2 minutes ago, hijodeibn said:

CRAP!!!!!!

that`s my breaking point....too sad, now EOS R is my only option, I hope this new model at least push the price down.....

I kind of doubt it considering the handicaps.

3 hours ago, androidlad said:

Rolling shutter is 20ms in 4K which is ok but definitely not little.

For the price point its good though. Flog is not ideal but its useful to have.

3 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Don't forget no mic input on GX85. But seriously, the GX85 is like 3 years old now and, in my opinion, this doesn't offer enough to be worth upgrading really. That said, if you have neither, go for the Fuji.

Maybe if Fuji somehow add 4k60p in the future, it'll worth that upgrade, and since they added 4K to the X-Pro2 via a firmware upgrade, I'm not counting 60p out just yet. 

I highly doubt they'll put 4k 60p in.

3 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

For hobbyists like me, only the 10 min limit (and the lack of IBIS) is a serious problem. Could have the XT-100 lcd hinge, too.

But looks like and amazing value. GX85-GX9, in the same price point, have 100Mbps 4K, more crop, much worse AF - only have IBIS as advantage.

As a hobbyist how often do you need the unlimited record times? I'd definitely like to see it become a standard in cameras though heat limitations might be holding them back. 10 bit out with an external recorder is a great option though.

7 hours ago, mercer said:

Idk, I think I like this camera. I love that they’re one of the only manufacturers that are offering actual 2K shooting at a high bitrate... is it all-i?

Hoping they'll have All-I like the XH1, though I don't know if it actually makes a difference on these cameras.


I am sure the price on this will drop to $800 in a couple months like the XT3 dropped in price. Which is cool. If we compare it to the competition mainly the A6400 it has better stills frame rates(a lot better), twice the bitrate in video, cinema 4k and 2k, way better 1080 and high speed options, half the rolling shutter in 4k and the option to record 10 bit externally. The eterna profile is hard to beat in 8 bit. That said the new Sony human tracking is a huge feature.

11 minutes ago, sanveer said:

I am very curious how the 10-bit 4-2-0 vs 8-bit 8-2-0, both at the same bitrate (XT3 vs XT30). 

Doing that test with the XT3 would probably yield the same results.

Longer videos make more money. That said I actually like them you just have to have a critical mind watching ?

I found dynamic range on even aps-c Sony a6300 sensor to be great. I remember being able to shoot my black cat against a bright window. By underexposing and bringing up shadows I was able to keep all the window information as well as the cat looking exposed properly. Looked almost like a dual exposure image. 

1 minute ago, kye said:

LOL.  I meant that I'd clean them one at a time, but straight after each other.  The problem is that I don't really have a place where I can setup the various tools, towels, little containers for screws, containers for the chemicals, the measuring devices for the chemicals, etc, and still expect them to be there if I don't use them for a couple of weeks.  So my plan was to figure out what I needed, then get it all, then work out how to approach it, which lens to do first, then do the first one completely, and then work out what to change before doing the second one.

If I start now, then the setup would have to stay setup, or I'd have to go through that process a second time, when the Russian mail service decides to finally let my last package out of Eastern Europe! 

Oh, I don't know...  the Zeiss article says "Nutrients (textile lint, traces of grease, varnish, dust and dirt)".  If grease and varnish are food then what do we know - chalk might be a feast!!

I don't think that cleaning will make them sharper.  It might even make them worse, if you put them back together again with worse alignment than when you took them apart.

There is some fascinating discussion on lens quality control in this thread: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?158004-Let-s-make-STAR-LENS-TESTER-to-get-best-lens-copy-easily-(Airy-disk-PSF-point-source)

In another thread he compares three vintage lenses, and to be fair (and make sure he's not comparing a good one of one lens with a poor one of another lens) he aligns the three lenses using that lens tester first.  The results are interesting, and he does say that with that machine and a lot of trial and error he was able to improve the alignment of all of the lenses, although one of them seemed to look worse in the little resolution test he also took pictures of, so it's complicated.

Sounds like a headache. not enough quality control when it comes to precision alignment In certain manufacturers have kept me from buying certain lenses. 

6 minutes ago, padam said:

It is unrealistic to expect no cropping at this stage, knowing how Canon works. Yes they are aware of customers' needs, but they don't necessarily pay full attention to it.

10-bit out and C-Log are a definite go, but in my opinion, they might actually increase the crop factor a bit further just to keep stills and video cameras separated, if for instance, they increase the megapixels to 24 on the 1DX Mark III and already put that into a mirrorless camera as well.

Well, at least it might not be 6k$ at launch, like the 1DX II

If they increase the crop and sell it at 6k that will be a joke. But I guess that's Canon.

2 minutes ago, padam said:

Well I think Canon will be sticking to the same formula, and the mirrorless equivalent is going to be big, too, but probably not as much. It may even use the same LP-E19 battery.

The S1 isn't particularly small either.

I personally like big bodies. But a hell of a nice LCD is a must have for anything above 2k. A mirrorless 1Dx mk2 with Clog and no crop in 4k will be a dream camera with 10 bit out.

I mean glass is a bit limited right now but that will soon be solved. Plus you can adapt older manual lenses with the great IBIS

1 minute ago, padam said:

How can it be outdated (for video) if even without Canon Log, it still has the best looking image out of all the stills cameras?

The body is outdated. I probably would not buy one even if I had the money. 

Will cleaning make the lenses sharper? As long as you store them in the right humidity no fungus can grow.

I'd only use the face eye tracking for single subject close ups. This looks useful for almost anything. Awesome

18 minutes ago, padam said:

It makes no sense at all, even if heat is not a problem, the readout is already much slower on the sensor itself, it could break new records for jelloing.

 But the 1DX II sensor has a pretty decent readout, so it is not like that they are way behind in technology, you just have to pay much more for it or pay less and get an inferior sensor like this.

And you could say the same for "When Panasonic figures out AF, why the colors don't look nearly as good" etc. etc.

Too bad the 1d body is heavy and outdated. But I guess if you're paying that much for a camera an external monitor isn't going to be a big issue

Seems like a lot of cameras should have the processing power to do this in 1080 at least. 

14 minutes ago, CyclingBen said:

Wow, they went Canon on this, crippling the bit rate so much.  I'm kind of surprised to be honest.  For video it seems like the firesale on the X-H1 is a better buy as long as you're not using an external recorder.

Did a wedding for a friend a few months ago (god they suck, props to anyone who does them for a living especially @thebrothersthre3) and finally edited the footage between my X-T3, Em10III and NX1... the X-t3 footage  with eterna either in 10 bit or 8 bit just blows the other footage out of the water.  Little to no color correction and just amazing skin tones.  

If you need a 10 bit camera capable of excellent skin tones... get an X-T3 if you don't need 10 bit,  X-H1.  The X-t30 seems to be for photographers.

200 mpbs ain't bad. At least they included F-log. The xh-1 had moire issues in 1080p 24, 60, and 120 more than the XT2, hopefully the XT30 doesn't share the problem. Auto focus is a big advantage though not everyone needs it. 10 bit out on such a cheap camera is cool. Too bad sony didn't do that for the A6400.

2 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1459274-REG/fujifilm_x_t30_mirrorless_digital_camera.html

$899

Product Highlights

26.1MP APS-C X-Trans BSI CMOS 4 Sensor

X-Processor 4 with Quad CPU

DCI and UHD 4K30 Video; F-Log Gamma

2.36m-Dot OLED Electronic Viewfinder

3.0" 1.04m-Dot Tilting LCD Touchscreen

425-Point Phase-Detection Autofocus

Extended ISO 80-51200, 30 fps Shooting

Bluetooth and Wi-Fi; Sports Finder Mode

No mention of 10 bit

hehe 

Still not bad for those who want Canon. Its something. 

20 minutes ago, graphicnatured said:

Just be careful and you'll be okay. Ive shot a ton of sports, handheld and with a gimbal. Taken it on trips and my micro HDMI is still okay. I use ultra thin HDMI cables so they are extra flexible and this helps. Still, if you can rig it up, this is best option.

I'll keep that in mind too. It probably won't see a ton of heavy use outside of long recording sessions which I rarely do. I will definitely use it on short films though. Maybe I'll fall in love with RAW and be using it all the time though. 

45 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

If you put the sony lens next to the canon & people ask you what they mean; you can combine them for one acronym: STF DS aka, Shut The F%$#UP Dip Sh!$

Is F%$#UP one word? My middle school teachers called me that, now I make more than them. 

They called you a f**k up? Thats a bit rough. What did you do to them lol

12 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

The thing is; most content is consumed on social media formats now (IG, FB, YT) & on mobile devices. The expected quality is lower than what it was years ago. I think photos on IG are only around 1-3mp and taken on 45mp cameras ?

True, I am often amazed at the quality of the photos on my old Google pixel, then I remember I am viewing them on a tiny screen. The dynamic range probably looks 10 times more clean as well as the low light noise.

46 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

IMO, cell phones will produce 99% of the content online in 6 years, outside of big productions. The rolling shutter will be fixed by the increase in processing power & phones are coming with multiple lenses attached. HDR video (50p split into two captures a second (over & under exposed) and combined/processed into 24p reaches insane DR. 2025 will consist of most content producers using a $2,000 cell phone, maybe even from RED. 

Companies are using "influencers" more & more over big productions to advertise their stuff. 

What about audio? I don't know cell phone form factor is kind of a pain imo. Would be great for vloggers. 

6 minutes ago, Mako Sports said:

Reminds me of the Sony VG30 and VG30 onmy thing with a Super 35 sensor is that lens wouldnt have very much reach. It would be something along the lines of the Sony 18-110mm F4

I'd be pretty happy with 18-110mm f4