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56 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

So Dan retest it again for overheating, now people say he must have faulty unit, yeah definitely free pass to Sony on overheating.

 

 

overheating junk. good for youtubers. but no professional will buy tool that overheats. Reliability is number ONE. 

8 hours ago, Nezza said:

I know, it's nuts. Making judgments of a cameras ability based on YouTube videos = basic fail.

There's more guff spouted about colour science then pretty much anything else. Northrup has statistically proven most people talk shite about colour science.

7 hours ago, Nezza said:

Oh colour science

Oh colour science is definitely a thing it's just people are very very subjective about it and there's a ton of brand loyalty that isn't born out by the actual pictures people prefer.

Tony asked people who they *thought* had best colour science (winners Canon and Nikon) then he got the same people to choose their favourite colour science on a blind picture test.

Canon and Nikon came bottom (with negative scores) Sony came top and obvs Sony is perceived to have relatively worse colour science. People are brand fan boys - who knew!

Im sorry, but everyone is just going to let this comment go by and not say anything? "Tony has statistically proven most people talk shite about color science." HAHAHHAHA. OK. I didn't realise Tony was so wise as to be able to do that. 

Someone should quickly run to Mr Deakins and tell him the goods news. I'm sure he will be grateful that he isn't bound to the alex anymore. Good thing he is shooting the next willy wonka - the A7siii will fit in just fine!! 

14 minutes ago, Django said:

Also after watching the Gerald Undone video, I’m a little suspicious over his motives.
 

He went the extra mile with the R5 overheating tests, causing many people to cancel their R5 pre-orders.. but then says in his video “the A7S3 doesn’t  overheat” when we know from several sources it does overheat and VERY quickly at that in direct sunlight.

I guess he covers his bases at the end when he says he only did “lab tests” i.e no outdoor field tests.. but not such a thorough reviewer after all.

Furthermore, he mentions several times that he cancelled his C300 II purchase in favor of two A7S3’s. He never goes into the reasons why. I find that kinda sus. 

 

 

I said it before - wide discrepancies in reviews. The problem with Gerald is that he always goes above and beyond to test, and thats what he is known for - but this seems an obvious fail. Is it intentional or did he just miss it? I think a bit of both. 

You will see for yourself how serious he is as a reviewer with a statement like: "i will replace c300 mkiii with a7siii".

This is a very juvenile statement, and you can see what kind of mind he has thinking the c300 and a7s are somehow equivalent. 

Perhaps for the use in youtube studio it is so.   

5 minutes ago, Nezza said:

That's a pretty wild take on one of the more respected and impartial camera reviewers. He explains prior to the Sony he was a big big fan of the Canon C series AND his exact reasons why he's not buying a C series and why he's buying the Sony. I guess you missed that part.

He knows a7s will sell better through his affiliate links than c300. Must continue to hype as "perfect camera". Meanwhile, he shows few seconds of actual footage (not shot by him), which looks like camcorder footage. 

2 hours ago, MeanRevert said:

Great edit, bad skin tones.

 

This looks horrible. No different to any a7iii footage you see out there, but worse even. It's got good paper specs though....

This is perfect video for this camera as well - travel, youtube, young people selling capitalist lifestyle. People will click on it because they like the camera and specs and marketing bs. 

But no professional can use this overheating in 24p. Just like the canon turd. But at least with canon, you spend 2000 more and get  c200 with nd, raw, audio input, etc. 

Youtube and vloggers like small form factor the most, and want to sell to you even though it overheat crap. 

The fact that it overheats in 24p outside makes it a deal breaker for most professionals. In the aussie sun I imagine even more so haha. Thats all I am saying. It might be a technical limitation with passive cooling, but it still doesnt excuse it. But for a personal camera, this is the best there is in terms of vlogging, travel videos, youtube. Even events work this will be very good. But if I am a working professional and need a small form factor I need it to be reliable above all, which is where the s1h comes into it. Plus it is missing some key professional features like exposure tools and DCI among others. 

This is not a professional tool. I'm sorry, but if it overheats then it cannot be used in a professional setting. Will be fine for youtubers and people doing stuff for personal hobby and such. But not a serious paid professional. 

The amount of hypocrisy in this forum is bewildering. Everyone giving it a pass left and right. Yes, it matters if it overheats only in direct sun lol. If I am shooting anywhere outside there is a good chance I will be in the direct sun, unless I confine myself to shade. 

some say it overheats, others say it doesn't. The guy showed the camera overheating. Not sure what more you want. The real question is when it overheats.

1 minute ago, Nezza said:

Well, if he's got repeated test evidence to prove it - him. As ever its 'show your working'. These guys (like the Florida guy) making broad, general statements should be ignored.

he did a test and it showed it overheating. 

ye but gerald undone says there are no overheating issues. So who am I to believe??

3 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

I am not a Sony user, but I don't know what are the expectation for people. I mean this camera is better technically than any DSLR or mirrorless camera in term of specs for video. it's 12 megapixel will provide good 4k which is more than enough for 99.9% of shooting. It also permits such a camera to actually work and not overheat. With FF 10 bit and 422 internal until 120 fps, great DR to exceptional lowlight and autofocus, + it seems it has better ergonomics with flip screen and menu. I can't understand how anyone can be disappointing unless its out of budget for some. As a Nikon z6 user I am not interested in Sony's , I already have great color and ergonomics and supreme image quality. If the z6s had the spec like that or just 10 bit log internal with 60 fps 4k I would be in heaven. For me the as a hybrid shooter the 24 megapixel is more important, so I would not even mind a 1 to 5 minutes 120 fps 4k because who shoots 120 fps 4k for 30 minutes... Just derushing that is like 2.5 hours of 24p!!!

The real problem is that it doesn't even surpass products that have already been on the market for quite a while. 

The s1h surpasses it in many respects.

For example, a7siii might have the following flaws: crap ergonomics, crap ibis, crap color, no autofocus with external recording, heat management issues in hot weather and associated recording limits, crap weather sealing, less DR, less video shooting modes, less megapixels for photo mode, less detail in 4k, crap preamps (as with a7iii), less reliable, etc.

But its benefits are 4k60p and 120p and autofocus (which most pros don't rely on).  

Its just a bit meh. 

I'm sorry, I just can't get over that upside down sony when the screen is flipped out. It is so obnoxious. It's this kind of lack of attention to detail coupled with the fugly menu system that just makes me question the designers. You are right Andrew, there is no soul to this camera.

At least with the S1 you get a beautifully designed, rugged body which makes you want to shoot.

Pending the heat management, though, this looks like a solid corporate camera for people who care about form factor. 

2 minutes ago, Laurier said:

They are crushing the S1H imo , the S1h crop in S35 for 60fps and don t do 120fps 4k , rolling shutter should be a lot better on the A7siii, it s almost half the weight and much smaller + Good AF

It doesn't crush anything. The s1h is netlfix approved camera for a reason and is reliable. We are yet to see what this will do other than a puff piece.

People who judge a camera just on specs make me cringe. 

31 minutes ago, Gianluca said:

16 bit raw output 

People know the 16 bit cant be captured, right?

No mention at all of s-cinetone. 

I just watched it and it's a puff piece. Nothing new to be learned. 

11 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

Nokishita just tweeted out a link to an unlistied Youtube B&H review of the a7s3 that froze about 10-minutes after I started watching. The video is now private. I'm cancelling the R5 order and selling my EOS R to stick with Sony. This will be my video workhorse.

A summary:

A few flavors of XAVC including all-I and Long GOP in 4k and HD.

You pick the level of compression, then the resolution, then framerate - from what I remember every bitrate option can record all resolutions and framerates.

The tester couldn't get it to overheat at 4k60p after over an hour of recording outside in the sun.

Same color science as the FX9 and Venice.

The goofy colored new menus SAR had are real, full touchscreen navigation.

All framerates are 10-bit 4:2:2 internal including 120fps, though the max 600mbps needs V90 cards.

Full AF with all framerates, a more Canon-like touchscreen for AF.

The AF points in that leaked doc are correct 700+ PDAF and another 400+ CDAF.

External 16-bit raw is real, though they don't know how its actually gonna be recorded.

No pans but he said rolling shutter is pretty much eliminated.

IBIS is the reported 5.5 stops, looks like the same Sony IBIS.

Has the ZV1 digital stabilization and the FX9 metadata stabilization - this is what he was talking about when the video froze.

He didn't get to the EVF

Looking forward to the announcement.

Chris

 

 

It is a b and h advert. They also said they couldn't get the r6 to overheat lol. 

5 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

So far haven't seen anyone test the Crop video mode on either R5/R6, R5 on cropped will have higher quality than FF normal mode

This is mickey mouse reviewer. Need to wait longer for real review. 

Some more overheating times and tests with comparison of video shooting modes: 

Curiously does not test the standard 4k mode of the r5 against the a7riv. But all the other modes compare favorably for low light and detail. 

13 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

Maybe they should've tested that in the original video they released before saying it didn't? 🤔

 

That's shambolic. I hope they do an update with a disclaimer to all the people they tricked with their first review making it out like it was ok, myself included.

And so Panasonic are the only ones who actually take the initiative of designing a body that isn't gimped by heat. Someone needs to speak to the execs at Sony and tell them that it's ok if the body on this camera is slightly large (with internal nd). The use case for stills is minimal. They should have made it bigger. Let's wait and see what these record times really are under a hot sun, rather than ideal conditions. . 

I know one shouldnt care about looks, but the look of that camera is about as inspiring as a bowl of oatmeal. Reeks of mass consumer product. Lucky the looks dont matter. Here is hoping we get some footage tomorrow as well. 

1 hour ago, zerocool22 said:

Well its not the same light, but the skintones on the image on the left do look way better.

Ha so confused with the camera options out right now, atleast of of those guys should have a r5, s1h, pocket 6k, f6 to do some side by sides...

yeah completely different lighting. Can't compare them. There only one choice if you want organic image, cinematic colors and proper motion cadence. Hint: its not the japanese ones 🙂. 

Looks like bog standard boring vlog footage. 

17 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I'd like to hear more from Jordan about his test and how he came to that conclusion, but nothing will top Matti putting the camera in the fridge to make sure it's cold MULTIPLE TIMES and then in the same video telling people afterwards that he doesn't think overheating will be an issue for most people. 

That's out of context. He said he got 8 min of 8k in a hot car. So he tested in less than ideal conditions. He put it in the fridge to emphasis that it did overheat. 

Well at least it has a 4k mode to shoot on. I think the r6 is even worse! No 4k mode without running into overheating issues lol. And its only a 20 megapixel camera! So people will only get an r6 if the video is good and it was a true hybrid (which is how they advertise it ) - but it doesn't even do that. Big-time flop. 

https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/26/tilta-cooling-kit-for-the-canon-eos-r5/

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I know the EOS R5 is just a camera, but imagine if a car company brought out a car and they didn’t put a big enough radiator in it and you could only drive it on certain days for a certain amount of time before you had to pull over, shut the engine down and wait till it was cool enough to start driving again.

Depending on what type of work you do, the overheating issues with the R5 and R6 may be a problem for you, or they may not be. It really is going to depend on a lot of variables. Personally, I would take reliability over specifications 100 times out of 100. Canon has certainly pushed the technology envelope with EOS R5, but that does seem to come at a cost.

In my personal view, and please feel free to disagree with me, if you are buying a camera where you would need to add an external cooling solution just to be able to use that camera, you are buying the wrong camera.

There are plenty of cameras out there to choose from and it is up to the individual to pick the right camera for the type of work that they do.

Updated statement from Matthew to be fair. 

Not gonna lie that tilta desgin looks nice. Now we need a whole bunch of new tests with this thing strapped to the back!