kye

It, both IBIS and IBIS Boost Mode, is very noticeably worse on the X-T4 than on the GH5 so I assume the X-H2s will be worse than the GH5/GH6 from the footage I've seen

I think someone mentioned this in passing earlier in the thread, but I thought I'd link it in case anyone was interested.
The FD Times latest issue is 96 pages devoted purely to the Alexa 35
https://www.fdtimes.com/pdfs/free/115FDTimes-June2022-2.04-150.pdf
One of the highlights I found was the ARRI head of sensor design demonstrating a new experimental firmware that reduces the weight of the camera for steadicam operators:

But seriously folks....  it's a good read.

Are you talking about this one?

I figured that I'd have to learn the false colour standard at some point, but seeing that and realising there is no standard, and that some of these are really very unintuitive, maybe I'd just make my own false-colour LUT and get what I need from that!

While I'm not about to buy, I'm also very interested in the quality of the 1080p on GH6.
Double the thanks to anyone who shares this 🙂 

So I got a R5c for a week to test to decide if to switch one of my R5 to a R5c.
 
After the first two days these are my observations in comparison to the R5, that are hard to get from the youtube reviewer madness.
 
The good:
8K 60 RAW is the same quality as 8K 30. Btw in Resolve on my gaming notebook I can playback on a 4k 60 timeline with no issue with some basic color grading. I was expecting worse
4k 60 is great and better than R5 4k 60 logically
S35 6K RAW is also very good
4k 120 it seems also a tad better than the R5 but I need more test here to confirm
XAVC is a way better format to edit than h265 so the fact that you can do 4k up to 120 fps 10bit Clog3 in XAVC is great
The Cinema menu system is much more logical and better organized.
Waveform! False Color and Magnifying all during recording.
All the right info on the recoding display, the R5 is a bit of mess while recording video.
You can decide what you show where for almost anything LCD vs VF vs HDMI
You can really decide what you want to record on the second card in parallel, the R5 is ok but fairly restricted
More DR, is it 1.5 stop more than R5 as Gerald claims I cannot judge but is definitely better than the R5
No limits, no overheating
Still very small body
With long lens with IS I really don’t miss IBIS, I see no difference vs R5 (70-200 and 100-500), non IS lens is a no go compared to the R5 logically.
Face Only AF is really good for filming person as it will not focus on the bg and back to the face if it looses the face. R5 does not have this mode.
AF at the maximum speed settings is on pair with the R5 it seems but I need more test to confirm
Media playback has waveform and vector scope, R5 has nothing
2TB delikin cards are fast enough for 8K RAW LT 60 fps
 
 
I can work with but it could be better:
Switching from Photo to Video is slow but not as terrible as I thought, disabling in both Photo and Video the sensor cleaning make it somewhat usable
Maximum shutter speed is 1/2000….. I sometime use the camera in 8K RAW as remote camera for pictures and I need more that 1/2000….R5 is 1/4000  Why is like this I have no idea,?
The media playback part is not that great, no magnification on playback (same as R5), UI not great, no slow motion playback speed (R5 has it), need a lot of button press to delete videos, you cannot scroll through videos with the wheel, although  on the plus side it plays back one after the other (R5 cannot do this). Would be super useful that you could cut RAW video files in the media playback (R5 cannot do neither)
No audio controls for the onboard mic. R5 has it.
The body is wider so balancing on a Ronin S with the nd adapter and EF 24-70 2.8 is not ideal as the VF bumps on the motor…. with some weights or having the motor work more is fixable.
With EF lens no auto Iris but the R5 can do it.
Prerecording does not work in RAW
 
 
 
The bad:
Battery is really miserable and if you record or not it consumes basically the same, the problem that when the menus are displayed the camera still capture video at the frame rate that you set….. the only way that it seems to stop chewing battery is to call the media playback menu, so this is the only trick that seems to work to save battery instead of turning it off.
Using PD power banks solve the issue but the USB-C is bound to break and is on the main board.
Using a Dummy battery coupler with a V-Mount battery currently is not a good solution because all the dummy ones regulate at 7.2v not enough for 60fps! The only one that serves 9v is the canon one Canon DR-E6C DC Coupler for EOS R5 C 5664C001 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com) that is overpriced and a piece of junk as you need another adapter for the D-Tap Anton Bauer P-Tap to Canon 9V Barrel Cable (20") 8075-0271 B&H (bhphotovideo.com). Really a bad solution.
It desperately needs a third party dummy battery that regulates at 9v similar to this Kondor Blue D-Tap to Canon LP-E6 Dummy Battery KB-DTAP-CLPE6 B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
Or the real better solution a battery grip with 1Dx,R3 battery…….
If I keep it my plan is to buy a FXLION Nano One and use the USB PD port until somebody sells a 9v D-Tap dummy battery and then simply switch the cable.
AF is way less features rich than the R5: no animal, vehicle, helmet tracking. No various AF sizes only whole, large and small. AF > 60fps  is limited to Continuous AF, so no face tracking and no object tracking. This is the second biggest issue other than the battery
I could not find a way to store and recall settings like C1, C2, C3 on the R5…… so changing from 8K RAW 24p to 4k 120fps XAVC you need to touch multiple menu items. This should really be added.
Onboard WiFi is not working in Video mode.


Canon should enable the video feature in photo mode like in the R5 so if you need more rich AF and better battery is there.
Second they should optimize the battery management while not recording and add more features to the AF. The HW is capable so why not?
Third they should sell a D-Tap 9v dummy battery and a R3 battery grip too.
Forth they should remake the media playback part, with zoom, minimum video editing and better usability


I love the cinema OS for video but they really need to fix the battery and add AF feature then it would be the best camera. I’m even happy if they just re-enable video on the photo mode.
 
More tests in the next days. 

Looking at the prices, any clicked through affiliate links for this camera will certainly produce a genuine shock face from the YouTube bros when they get the cheques.
I think I'm going to save up for the Codex Compact Drive Adapter first and build my system up from there.
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K0.0041726 ALEXA 35 Production Set (19mm Studio): $77,940 USD (€71,500)
Includes:
K1.0039373 1x ALEXA 35 camera body
10.0043678 1x ALEXA 35 Cine License
K2.0018983 1x ARRI LPL Mount (LBUS)
K2.0016936 1x ARRI PL-to-LPL Adapter
K2.0034180 1x Balance Utility Dovetail BUD-1
K2.0023751 1x B-Mount Battery Adapter
K2.0020916 1x Multi Viewfinder MVF-2
K2.0042857 2x Cable VF Right Angle (0.5m/1.5ft)
K2.0024101 1x Power Distribution Module PDM-1
KK.0041533 1x Production Support Set – Top
KK.0041534 1x Production Support Set – Side
KK.0041535 1x Production Support Set – Bottom (19mm)
 
K0.0041722 ALEXA 35 Lightweight Set: $75,100 USD (€68.900)
Includes:
K1.0039373 1x ALEXA 35 camera body
10.0043678 1x ALEXA 35 Cine License
K2.0018983 1x ARRI LPL Mount (LBUS)
K2.0016936 1x ARRI PL-to-LPL Adapter
K2.0034180 1x Balance Utility Dovetail BUD-1
K2.0023751 1x B-Mount Battery Adapter
K2.0020916 1x Multi Viewfinder MVF-2
K2.0042857 2x Cable VF Right Angle (0.5m/1.5ft)
K2.75007.0 1x Camera Power Cable Straight 2m/6.6in KC-50
KK.0041537 1x Lightweight Support Set – Top
KK.0041538 1x Lightweight Support Set – Side
KK.0041539 1x Lightweight Support Set – Bottom
 
K0.0041724 ALEXA 35 Body & ARRI LPL Mount Set: $64,880 USD (€60.800)
K1.0039373 1x ALEXA 35 camera body
10.0043678 1x ALEXA 35 Cine License
K2.0034180 1x Balance Utility Dovetail BUD-1
K2.0023751 1x B-Mount Battery Adapter
K2.0018983 1x ARRI LPL Mount (LBUS)
K2.0016936 1x ARRI PL-to-LPL Adapter
 
Accessory Costs
The MVF-2 EVF costs $8,030 USD
A 1TB Codex Compact Drive costs $2,490 USD
Codex Compact Drive Reader (USB-C) $690 USD
Codex Compact Drive Adapter $550 USD
 
 

@Mmmbeats or anyone else who has a GH6. Would it be possible to do one or the other of these quick tests as there is no hard evidence anywhere that I can find about GH6 1080 quality.
1. Shoot the same scene on a tripod comparing GH6 4k with GH6 1080 and upload an extracted still from each
OR
2. Shoot the same scene on a tripod comparing GH6 1080 with GH5 1080 and upload an extracted still from each
I am very close to buying a GH6 but if the 1080 is not good then I don't want it. I'd love to see the evidence with my own eyes before I make the purchase. 
I'll be eternally grateful if someone could take 15 minutes out of their day to do this.

I think Luminaries is the only set I've been on where I saw it used, which every time there was a gimbal used then the grip followed behind with the VENICE body in a backpack. 
 
Even the bare bones ALEXA Mini is kinda big. If  you need to go into a VERY small place, it can be tricky.
And for gimbal usage, a Mini is very doable and commonly used, but if you want to do lots of long takes on the roll without  killing the operator then the VENICE setup I mentioned could be better?
Maybe they think the FX3/FX6 is the "smaller VENICE"? (of which they are waaaaaaaaay smaller!) If you want to rig up a dozen crash cams, then the FX3 makes sense. 

Even when shooting with spherical lenses, open gate is handy for all those social media marketing shoots. 

Indeed and that is partly why I DO shoot weddings full-time.
The combo of reward vs effort etc, I haven’t been able to find with anything else, including other genres of photo and video.
I guess I am just suited to it whereas most folks probably are not…

For me this life style is as much about protecting my mental health than anything. There has to be more to life than work, and your work should be something that you enjoy. I tried working at a production company and it devastated my mental health. I just can't do it. 

Yeah you can often find the hospo folks have their own night outs on say a Tuesday evening. 
 

That showcases the benefits of having an underlying E Mount which the VENICE has! They can use the very small E Mount lenses you see in that BTS. 
(although I'm still kinda sad that FZ mount got abandoned, which the F3/F5/F55 used 😕 I understand why though)

Very niche. A more practical example of usage is just to make the rigs smaller. But dealing with a smaller body without cables is just easier.

There are still some applications that need to go smaller still....
https://ymcinema.com/2022/05/16/meet-the-cockpit-lens-behind-top-gun-maverick/
I don't think you're getting 4 Alexa Mini bodies into the cockpit of a fighter jet, for example.

Besides, the smaller they make the whole camera, the smaller they could make the detachable head, and therefore the smaller the places they could get it compared to the body.

There are at least two other users here, @kye and I, who agree with you.

Exactly, and you also lose any slow motion with the ninja star. But with the correct settings the camera can send a 6k>1080p oversampled image, instead of the stock pixel binned 1080p readout. So the 1080p is nice and detailed, like a C100. I shoot in this mode so often, it’s perfect especially for online use. Even looks good on a 4k monitor. So I don’t think the lack of 4k is a huge issue. The difference is there, but since the 1080 is oversampled, it’s only a small difference. Now why does this setup work for me?  I always deliver to 1080p, I’m not one to fuss over detail, and this 1080p mode already has very nice detail. I rarely use slow motion as well, so the ninja star “solved” my problem with the camera. The problem was the heavy weight with the Ninja V, along with the poor battery life. Ninja Star is light and lasts forever off a small NPF550 battery. Ninja V needs multiple larger NPF750 batteries to have good battery life, and so the weight really adds up. 
 
I think a big reason many say 4k looks so much better than 1080 is because most cameras just don’t do a good job actually resolving 1080p. Most cameras just line skip or pixel bin in the 1080 mode, so you aren’t getting true 1080p. Recording Oversampled 1080 directly is a severely underrated workflow in my opinion. 

Socialise? Nah, I’m that guy could live on a desert island quite happily.
Which in a way is a bit weird being a ‘social’ photographer…
If the black sheep and the lone wolf had a child, that would be me.
I do have friends. Well one anyway. He’s not in the industry but has the same outlook as me.

Yeah, that’s what I did. Was a small player in a silly bar band as a hobby outside of the gigs. It was nice.
 
I knew punching a clock 9-5 wasn’t going to be a future I’d be comfortable with, so I walked away from that in my twenties and went freelance.  
 
Feast or famine ain’t for everybody with employment, but as a single guy with always a little bit of savings it wasn’t too hard to manage.
Also, I had some exciting clients that really enriched my life… the places on this planet I’ve been is kind of bananas. No regrets in that regard. 
At this point I’m an old dog and the new tricks of modern media creation are simply mediocre expectations rather than the “gee-wiz that’s cool” impressions that I could deliver in the past. 
 
Sure is interesting to see an entire profession move beyond one’s capabilities. 

The source is a camera company called Leica and the camera division of a company called Panasonic.
They are quite well known.
They stood on a stage together, recorded a piece (which I am sure they were reading off a flip chart) and put it out on their respective YouTube channels.

I've put it through the superb Deepl.com AI translator and its come up with this:

I'm guessing you have found people that you can socialise with during the week?
I sometimes have breaks between contracts and found that basically everyone I knew was busy working Monday to Friday before 6pm, and were tired after that.  I always suspected there was a parallel world of people who worked evenings and nights and weekends and they all just hung out with each other while the business-hours folks were all at work..

I saw that link, but (and I know this might make me sound a little crazy here....) I didn't think that manufacturers announced alliances by wearing t-shirts and posts on rumour sites.
Yeah, I know, crazy talk.
I guess if @MrSMW says "Panasonic and Leica made a joint announcement that they are 'furthering' their collaboration." then it must be true - regardless of the source!

Not just Panasonic doing open gate now for mirrorless!
The newly announced Fujfilm X-H2S has open gate, I'll be better more Fujifilm cameras such as the X-T5 will get open gate as well. 

Official source is here.
No less vague but still official.
https://leica-camera.com/en-int/news/leica-camera-ag-and-panasonic-signed-strategic-comprehensive-collaboration-agreement?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=proactive_(publishing)&utm_medium=social&linkId=100000128059709
Meanwhile, the junior partner just concentrates on getting on with releasing tangible assets for the current alliance.