Attila Bakos

6 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Great test video by the way, excellent job. Is it me, or the skin color of the Fuji is way off? I do not believe I am saying that, but color seems better on the Sony, skin tones especially. 

Does the A7iii have the same color science as the A7Riii? Are they much better than the A7 mk II series cameras? I will be working with Sony a lot this summer.

Ibis, RS and codec goes to Fuji though.

Make sure you check the article as well, it has tons of comparison images and information.

5 hours ago, Attila Bakos said:

Do you still have the X-T2? I'd love to see a skintone comparison.

Looks like I got what I wanted

3 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Just received mine yesterday. I have the Samyang 35mm f2.8. Sony FE 50mm f1.8 and Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 have been ordered too. Let me know if you guys have any questions

Do you still have the X-T2? I'd love to see a skintone comparison.

30 minutes ago, Walter H said:

Curious if the slow-mo aliasing issues of the X-H1 show up in the X-T2 post-firmware update - in the 60p as well.

Unfortunately 100/120p has the same aliasing issues as the X-H1. 50/60p looks fine, I'm not seeing a change there.

Resolve makes it very easy to convert the color space from Rec.2020 to Rec.709, using the built-in color space transform plugin.
In case you are using another NLE, I generated a LUT using 3D LUT Creator that does the same conversion: Rec.2020_to_Rec.709.cube
I couldn't test it, but it should be fine.

11 hours ago, DaveAltizer said:

Lol. Ive seen her before. I need to look away :P

In case you change your mind, she's on pornhub. Or so I've heard...

5 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

@Attila Bakos Could you please apply the technique to 5:05 of the video? That's where I see a lot of blotchiness

The example I showed earlier was possible because the video has a few seconds of unprocessed S-Log2/S-Gamut footage. The closeup at 5:05 is already processed, and it doesn't look like his S-Log2 grade, so it's possible that he used some other picture profile there.

15 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

Hmm this camera definitely has a skintone issue, particularly with brown-ish people. Lot of orange going on and splotchy colour.

I believe it's user error, and a common one unfortunately, even among people who actually teach log grading. He shot many clips in S-Log2/S-Gamut, and forgot to convert color space during color correction.

This a screenshot from his video:

Here it is corrected with the color space transform plugin in Resolve, I only added a bit of contrast:

Now if I skip color space transformation and only apply contrast and saturation, see what happens:

And finally this is the uploaders grade:

So it's pretty clear what's happening here, it's not the camera's fault.

6 minutes ago, Walter H said:

Interesting. I experienced the flow of battery use the opposite in the X-T2 - grip first.

It's possible that you're correct, I can't check it now.

23 minutes ago, mkabi said:

I'm confused by this statement... so say you have 5 min. left in your battery, and you say.... ok guys.... cut.... lets take a break so I can swap out batteries. So you stop recording and instead of taking out the battery you just put on the grip with the additional batteries, its going to turn off the camera after 5 min of use?

The camera eats the batteries one by one, the one in the body comes first, then it switches to the ones in the grip. When this switch happens, recording stops. The camera won't turn off, you just have to press record again. It's easy to forget, and because the screen is on, it's easy to remain under the impression that your recording is on. Then comes the surprise, and blood pressure rises to 200 in like 1 second.

The problem with the grip is that the body can't switch batteries while recording. This is rarely mentioned even though it can be a real pain in the ass. Imagine you have 5 mins left in the battery inside the body and two fully charged batteries in the grip. You will still be limited to 5 mins of continuous recording, as the recording stops when the currently used battery dies. So you have to keep an eye on that, and in this case remove the battery if you plan a shot longer than 5 mins.

It seems those blinking pixels mentioned in this thread will be fixed with the new 1.01 firmware, which is already downloadable:

• Resolves an issue where blinking pixels may appear at bottom edge of the camera setting and with certain lenses, especially during XAVC S 4K (PAL 25p) recording
• Resolves a rare issue where the touch panel cannot be operated
• Improves overall stability of the camera

Just now, Walter H said:

Where are you located, btw?

Veszprém, Hungary.

2 minutes ago, Walter H said:

Can you give me a shot list to shoot in both Eterna and FLog that I  can shoot I've the weekend? Various conditions? What do you need?

That's not that easy unfortunately. I created my own method and software to do these conversions. I take about 15000 reference points from each profile to build the conversion LUTs. So basicly I need to have the body for a few days, I can't give away my method and tools.

3 minutes ago, Prandi said:

hello attila,
you are not alone here from Europe, I am from Austria ..also neighbors :-)
and I have the X-t2 and the x-h1.
I like to read with you .. very little because my english is very bad. gr. Franz

Hello, that's nice to know Und ich kann ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen

21 minutes ago, Walter H said:

As another C100mk2 shooter, totally agree.

@everyone   Here is something interesting - http://colorizer.net/

I will contact them about possibly creating an Eterna LUT. Would be great if others did as well. Regardless, really hits the mark of having a film sim LUT without the heavy contrast curve I dislike in the official Eterna LUT. I am certainly buying them a coffee.

That's actually my site I believe I could easily create a flatter Eterna LUT, but I don't have the X-H1, and I don't know anyone in my area (Hungary, Europe) who has one.
(If you try my LUTs, make sure to switch the clip to video levels.)

24 minutes ago, Walter H said:

@Attila Bakos Are you shooting with the X-H1 now?

No, couldn't pull the trigger yet, I don't want to step back in AF smoothness and 1080p60 quality (I don't really care about 120 fps).

1 hour ago, Walter H said:

I DISLIKE the amount of additional aliasing I am seeing in the X-H1 footage. We all know about the 120 slow-mo but I see it in the 60p in circumstances where the X-T2 has none.

Unfortunately not a lot of people speak about the problem in 1080p60 because it's not that obvious, I wonder if it will be fixed at all. Seeing the new upgrades I kinda wish I hadn't sold my X-T2.

1 hour ago, kidzrevil said:

Was it supposed to be ? Sheesh. You asked for an anti aliasing and I lead you to the feature. If the 120p isn’t good enough for resolves anti aliasing then Im afraid you either have to look for an alternative or avoid the 120p feature altogether. Every camera has its flaws.

Yes it all started with a comparison I made, where I tried to do anti-aliasing on a heavily aliased X-H1 120p footage. I did it in avisynth since Resolve has nothing that can help here. The feature you recommended does nothing when you post your 1080p120 footage to an 1080p timeline. It only helps when your footage's resolution does not match timeline resolution, that whole section in the project settings page is for scaling only.

24 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

@Attila Bakos great ! You found the anti aliasing feature ! Its the button under image scaling

And how exactly is that related to the problem we have with 120p slowmo?

3 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

Resolve has anti aliasing support in the project settings tab

Where? I only see antialiasing support for image scaling.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to judge motion cadence by looking at videos that were most likely shot with very high shutter speeds.

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

Have you ever tried  Neat Video? I have found it does help with anti-aliasing some. It is not it main goal, but it seems to make about anything look better.

https://www.neatvideo.com/home

Yes I tried it on this footage but avisynth fixed aliasing much better. For noise it's king though.

17 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

LoL that would be a understatement from Hell. 

Seems to me on some shots it does look better and some the same. But yeah it is an improvement, and you can't take sort of bad footage look perfect. You deserve a Big thumbs up just for knowing how to Use avisynth! I gave up pretty quick. I would be dead from old age before I figured it out.

Haha thanks, but it's a pain for me too, it would be so much easier if there was an anti-aliasing plugin for Resolve or Premiere. I couldn't find any, but I noticed that the avisynth community has some very skilled developers, and it's all free.

I was experimenting with a few anti-aliasing scripts in avisynth to see if I could clean up moiré & aliasing in X-H1 120p footage. It's not perfect but it makes the footage more usable. Download a comparison from here: DOWNLOAD

On the left you see footage recorded in 120p F-Log (provided by Fenchel & Janisch), with my Classic Chrome LUT + a bit of contrast applied.
On the right you see the same color correction with additional anti-aliasing, temporal noise reduction and post sharpening.

Check the top of the bridge, less aliasing there. Also, the background buildings show less moiré. With more optimization the results can be even better.
The only downside of using avisynth is, well, avisynth itself. It's geeky stuff, not suited for everyone.