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Probably I'm too idealist, but I firmly think that keeping and going on with once upon a time true and enough enthusiastic spirit is the most important. Isn't is so that this very forum started along with art-for-all liberation impulse given with ML Canon 5D II and, even more, with GH2? Comparatively, all movie makers world has been shaken than with quality of these cameras that stay within reach even to students and other talented dreamers... Tones of serious movies were shot with Canon as B, many as A camera (and most directors has to admit that public wouldn't notice if all works had been done with Canon), Upstream  Color was done with GH2 - because these camera indeed were comparatively so capable...  And now, it seems to me that all of us are little bit forgeting our dreamer's past - of course, now we can provide more money, now we can pay more, most of us listening GAS thirst and escaping from bore living - but comparatively equally capable successors of 5D and GH2 today don't live at home of Panasonic and Canon, simply because they don't care for that great past spirit which made them so beloved and popular.
Of course S1H or A7SIII or GH6 are/will be beast - but not  anymore for new generation of young dreamers. And me idealist feel it as a curse.
Sorry to ask/remind obvious - what about Pocket 4K?

Agree, that's what I think also - disaster, chasing just for more money now, losing clear distinctive spirit... even as a cleverer business strategy.

ebay but a long time ago but I'll check the transaction list to see if I can find it.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/1091701075

As far as I see as lately coming and open-minded independent outsider (luckily tolerated because of little bit of respect to another field achievement :), whole film industry relays on hierarchy of mutual "sponsored" circles... What's interesting to me about BM is magnificently well and thoroughly thought-out, clever penetrating bravura. Armed with industry-adds and software that so fast became leader in business, step by step winning over, say, even Pablo (DaVince before BM was just one between equally used grading solution), relatively small BM team evolves strategy that relay not "from-above", but "from-the-ground" base of talented and enthusiastic people. Resolve already,  from software side, totally destroyed any notion of annoying film-industry snobbery. I expect that BM soon makes even more serious threat and impact to top-budgeted part of industry - funding cameras with better reliability and, even more important, when younger generation of film-makers arrive to high positions, dearly remembering their indie-roots with BM and exchanging contacts. Process of establishing BM's important role is, I think, as democratic and human as it could be in modern circumstances. 

The Samsung EVO  860 works but the 850 doesn't. Don't know the models of the enclosures as they are cheap no-brand ebay purchases.

I've got a 1tb mSATA drive in a USB 3.1 enclosure that works with BRAW at the highest data rates.  You have to be careful though as I've got a very slightly different enclosure and mSATA that the camera doesn't recognise.

Yes but Arri is also renting equipement itself to large productions, They are able to offer complete seamless solutions.
Red is selling luxury marketing, including David Fincher who they sponsor .

Nothing wrong with that, it s a business after all, but I feel red is in a awkward position now,  I think that netflix trend with red is going to fade now that Arri have the LF and the LF mini, those camera are still very recent and that article don t reflect that.

Canon and sony have a more define cine/broadcast department that I believe is profitable overall ( I see FS7 and C300 everywhere) Panasonic is more blurry with that I find.
Blackmagic are outputting cinema gear at consumer price and also sell a full post production system to go with it, I think their approach is different , people buy because it s cheap and they are willing to try the product, so whether the client is satisfied or not they still make sales. 

Did anybody try and use any new and small USB-C flash drive as solution? Some of them reach even 150mb/s writing speed, so in theory could safely been used for 5:1 and Q5 codecs, or even better for some simpler scenery.

At least one aspect of new price-strategy of all big pro-xxx-ish A-G-S-E-X-M-Z+native lenses manufacturers seems to me on merciful therapeutic side: it's easier to find peace of mind and feel yourself as winner over attacks of GAS fever... and look at things as passenger through boutique.
Especially in that regard, hearing that users such Oliver Daniel are achieving so remarkable results with superior and noble power over GAS snobbery - is one of the nicer experience to get in this wonderful forum! 

If the GH5 was released today it would be hailed as a 'game changer' (apologies if I've said as much before)

Wow

Hmm, with all respect, for me rigging Micro for run-and-gun is not at all difficult, not more than GH5 with external monitor. I think that there's just one additional item: to make proper DIY remote controller and cleverly placed it. My cage is totally modular depending of actual need (changing LP6 with some sort of NFBridge, adding rods for shoulder rig or upper handle+shorter-or-longer-rod through it for re-position Atomos recorder and adding clamp for beautifully small Saramonic with 2 XLR, adding leftside or removing rightside handle for gimbal etc ) but, I think the most important is having remote controller under the finger.  (Second one is from filming on location.)

 

Although I'm not at all Hollywood industry judge, but what I have seen dealing with industry so far - necessity of full frame for movie making is extremely marginal, some sort of special effects toy for certain look. Actually, from artistic side, need for it for actual film making is far less than for nobles s16 sensor cameras. Of course, if and when advertising industry collects enough numbers of bored brainwashed users, we all have to listen and view world by eyes of, say, lemurs (or just my myopic eyes without lenses but with extremely capable shallow depth of field). 

Super bummed to hear it's L-Mount. I could care less for full frame, Micro 4/3 is spectacular especially for the small form factor. Super 35 is perfect for bigger productions. Full frame doesnt hold a place in my book. 

The "need" for full frame is largely manufactured by camera companies looking to charge you a premium and people have bought into it. The profit margins are greater for full frame cameras and lenses, so it makes sense. 
But as this push for "bigger is better" unfolds, sensor technology has improved by leaps and bounds. While camera phones have hurt the camera market, that so much is able to be squeezed out of these tiny sensors tells me that there's still tons of more progress that can be achieved. 

What rules?
New (state) terrorism rule over free market they learned Chinese to make it, better than anyone else in the world??
 
Shame on these bureaucrats!
They deserve a fine kick in their ass instead. This is not free world nor democracy. This is anything but a corporate declaration of war, moreover, pretending to be on people's defense is really worse, just a totalitarian act in disguise. To play very low and dirty.
 
 
PS:
" (...) the P30 Pro won't be available to US buyers for political reasons"
https://www.cnet.com/news/reasons-buy-huawei-p30-pro-vs-galaxy-s10-plus/
Yup, 5G. This reminds me Warsaw Pact period or more recently DPRK (for some reason, that orange baby started to praise the rocket man...)
People gave their own lives to change all that political crap which contaminated the planet for decades... Restraining Economy and cut lives of hundreds of millions of people for several generations without clue what yogurt was, go figure diversity of different types, limited to milk and bread produced by the usual suspects when not famine.
Sustained and redefined now by actual morons!
 
 
This is a very serious attack against progress, development, equity and finally the humankind itself as a whole.
 
 
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Very well stated.  I think we just have to admit that the original and the PK4 are 2 different cameras output wise, both in a good way, and that neither one is going to look like the other one no matter what we do. And that is a good thing. We all have a choice. And the older ones are not that much money so, if you are lucky, you can have both. To me All the BMD cameras are a gift from heaven for what they cost. So we ought to be happy which ever route we go. But yeah, dropping  cDNG option on the new ones is a bummer.

I think that tools for-, and  fast delivery capability in general, today are in extremely different situation than at the time of C100.  Not just time, but easiness of achieving great results. Practically any top of the line mirrorless camera gets remarkable broadcasting result with one corrective lut. Slow computer dealing with codecs now is past, but at C100 time didn't exist laptop enough powerful to deal with Premier's or FinalCut's must-render-to-see-in-real-time demand: even Resolve, once upon a time mythic software for wider user base, now go smoothly on modest laptop in 4k timeline, ready to deliver everything instantly on plethora media indeed cheap by any standard. Small and cheap and powerful Saramonic or Beactech XLR recorders/preamps are easy to put on smallest rig. What at the time for NX1 was bizarre codec decision, now is fast delivery standard.
What I wanted to point to, is that trend of upping comparative price level for Panasonic tools, even just in regard to its biggest hits - say GH4 - doesn't look so promising not just for buyers, but for Panasonic also... regardless of reliability of their products. My opinion is that Panasonic management simply lost balance and don't enough accurate listens arising competitors. Probably Fuji is at the best position and the most progressive between bigger name - but, alas, I'm not Fuji user.

My 2 cents, and as I see it, it's not about sharpness but about (at the moment questionably) better/higher discerning detail of image. Someone 1) calls/argumenst it is "false" or at least "not necessarily" true, someone 2)  calls/advocates it as real. It seems that both side in discussion are calling history of previous argumentation as some sort of adding authoritative proof. 
As I see, careful (Resolve's "super scale") upscalling Micro/Pocket/CC 1080p image gives pretty identical result detail-wise as best P4K Braw codec. Or, at least, yet nobody argue that such conclusion is matter of perceptive miopy or so. My personal conclusion is that cDNG 1080p of previous cameras simply have more initial detail richness that allow upscale to 4k space results comparatively unnoticed. Peace may be find in conclusion that at any case image is more than enough rich and wonderful - with advantage that newer camera brings it with m43 sensor and more useful plethora of lens-posibilities,  brings it wit 5inch monitor and advanced lowlight capability, with more economic and faster editing files etc.
Furthermore, BM as company sometimes put us all in specific situation: giving, obviously, comparatively far best/the most artistic friendly products and (I'd say exclusively) fulfilling some sort of true/honest cinema-art liberation mission, BM also repeatedly makes some too-hurry give-then-back claims and promises, and than tries - with little bit sophistical and always delaying manner - to explain that such things actually doesn't exist or convincing users that actually doesn't matter. So someone 1) remembers/keeps in mind more all matchless qualities/offering that BM brings to market and stay content and forgivable about such occasional  circumstances, and someone 2) following its own temperament that don't at all tolerates sophistic "not necessarily but might be"  ingredient in argumentation and general treatment, tends to  insist on its own perception, risking to seems ungrateful.
I hope that BM and all of us will/may profiting from both direction.

I think that Chinese mirror say: That’s why I said let the fat greedy people suffer. They cause their own problem but try to fix it by further exploiting/exterminating other countries/civilizations. That’s shame for a so called intelligence race on earth.

Not, quite contrary, I've found my last one is best of all (Mozza Aircross vs various Ziyun and one Feyutech)... but obviously I'm not a person for using gimbal so much, I tend to appreciate more some sort of (little bit heavily) rigged camera for achieving more natural stabilization. But, as I wrote, I'll keep gimbal for quasi dolly (revealing or side tracking or up-stairs) shots that I've found really could be satisfactory replacement (at least for my usage) for several-seconds-lasting dolly movements.
(But if you insist, maybe you can use some baby rolling chairs and put camera on it, or shopping basket with wheels

Not, quite contrary, I've found my last one is best of all (Mozza Aircross vs various Ziyun and one Feyutech)... but obviously I'm not a person for using gimbal so much, I tend to appreciate more some sort of (little bit heavily) rigged camera for achieving more natural stabilization. But, as I wrote, I'll keep gimbal for quasi dolly (revealing or side tracking or up-stairs) shots that I've found really could be satisfactory replacement (at least for my usage) for several-seconds-lasting dolly movements.
(But if you insist, maybe you can use some baby rolling chairs and put camera on it, or shopping basket with wheels

Quasi dolly shooting is sole reason I'm hesitating not to sell my fourth gimbal (and fourth attempt to make some love for it)...

Problem is that before stealing of intellectual property was/is some other sort of harder, more brutal, fatal/letal and constant  (nature- and human-) resource stealing/abusing through period of time, on which base so-call (technical) intellectual property arose. Besides that, when calling out "intellectual" property there's one uber-aspect of it that is more important and that constantly lacks in repeated history circumstances: how to deal properly with other humans and nations with whom we are blessed or condemned to live with. What if at the end we will be forced to face with true that much higher "intellectual" property was/is also capability to protect resources on planet, to wisely accommodate our needs and wishes to nature and right of other people to have at least part of our commodity we have just because we are born at one place, not at another?
 If USA policy and consumers mass-ideology (as model and last global leader just because of circumstances of WWI and WWII) not being stopped  with their global usage of "intellectual" property course, planet would be ruined very soon (first of all because of monstrous hypocrisy greed and its consequences). Now it's a matter of balance and we have witnesses of another turning point in history. After all, at meta-plane all of this is just demonstration how true is yin-yang concept ... and all powerful intellectual property that stay bellow that concept and helped him to become important knowledge property of human race as whole 

Thanks, so I guess right this time  So, cDNG sometimes really has more detail, but not necessarily... Now we have to learn how often and when...
I'm personally interested for the simple reason: being extremely satisfied with form factor, rigging possibility and image of Micro 1080p cDNG, I'm not so satisfied with possibility that for similar 1080p quality I have to shot 4k in P4K. Also, if result of super (up)scaling Micro's 1080p to 4K is similar or identical with 4k of P4K, there's not too much advantage rest with P4K except framing. (I always shot rigged with external small audio recorder and Atomos recorders for the backup reason.)