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Scale might have something to do with it. The larger camera manufacturers need more sensors on demand (or at least consistently) to keep up with their larger production runs compared to say Blackmagic. We've become accustomed to BM having supply chain issues because it's a sort of quirk of the company, but notice we don't see any of the major players really having the same issues. Not saying is just sensors, but maybe the principle applies across the board.

Has anyone worked with the test footage yet? I've been playing around with it a bit and it seriously runs smoother than 4K ProRes in Premiere on my machine.

Okay now we know you're trolling. Enough.

It's okay @hijodeibn. You're in a safe space now. Tell us where BMD hurt you. Seriously man your beef with a camera company is hilarious.

Feel free to move along friend. Others can use tools you don't personally like.

I know you didn't ask me, but I see great use for this cam in stock footage and 4K interviews.

Lol then take your money elsewhere friend.

Exactly. It should make the camera relevant for years. 4K in 2020, 8K in 2022, and 12K whenever that comes. But honestly I see huge use for 12K capture of 4K stock footage.

I think this is a brilliant move by Blackmagic. 12K is overkill for now, sure. But, Grant explained how the camera can scale BRAW internally. So it's a great 4K camera in 2020, 8K camera in 2022, and 12K when you want to show off 😉

I’m not quite sure what you mean. Compression affects grain and noise structure certainly, but I can easily see the effects of BPM even in 240p footage.

Here's some test footage I shot last year with the Tiffen BPM 1/4. As you can see, the look varies pretty widely depending on whether there's a strong light source in frame or not. Some shots are probably a bit too drastic for corporate work. For my taste, I like to see the obvious effect. Otherwise why bother? 😄

Unfortunately very true!

I have three of these. Fantastic budget solution compared to the Elgato CamLink. Just plug it into your camera and computer. Your Mac will automatically recognize your XC10 as a webcam. https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-to-USB-2-0-Video-Capture-Card-1080P-HD-Recorder-Game-Video-Live-Streaming/114229848228?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Amazing! Excited to see the progress and even more excited for the eventual full unveiling 🎉

Yepp, this. I'd say it's cheaper to buy your way into the industry now, but it was easier years ago. Now, anyone with some savings could buy a decent camera setup, but so can a lot of other people. Wedding photography is the extreme example. During the film days you'd have to own a couple very expensive cameras, loads of film, and lighting to shoot a wedding. The skill was secondary to simply having the capital to buy the equipment. You had to be skilled obviously, but how many skilled photographers couldn't shoot weddings simply because they couldn't pony up the cash upfront to build their kit? Now, you can effectively shoot a wedding with $2000 worth of equipment. That's my only wedding reference on this thread, I promise!

Gotcha. Well then the S1R is 40+ MP so that's plenty for a center crop.

This. When rumors first started swirling about the S-line, I thought for sure Panasonic would design the system to make adapting m43 lenses possible. It would make sense. Have a 24mp full frame camera that acts exactly like a 12mp GH5s when you put a m43 lens on it - 10bit 4K with a 2x crop. Perfect way to ease m43 users into the system. But nope.

I could be misremembering since it has been a while since I watched the challenge, but I believe the whole goal of it was to question if the image of the "best" cameras really were the "best". The challenged proved the point that even cheap cameras have reached the point where they are in the same ballpark as the big guys. Thus emphasizing that the other aspects of filmmaking like lighting, audio, blocking, and story are things to focus on. So again, I feel that there's no need for this image-centric type of test.

So many thoughts and memories about that Zacuto shootout. What an amazing time that was. The 5D was certainly the catalyst to the DSLR revolution, but the GH2 was the true champion of it. I think the results directly influenced camera and accessory manufacturers moving forward. I don't think there's a need to ever do another challenge though. By this point, everyone knows that the gap between say a BMPCC4K and an Alexa is narrow enough for 90% of users.

Vimeo's ace up their sleeve is livestreaming. Their Livestream Studio software is legitimately great and has been especially useful during COVID-19.

I keep coming back to this myself. The 18-35mm with a ProMist has nearly as much mojo as a vintage 18mm, 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm set at a far smaller cost.

That's where I'm at too. It's been more valuable for me to have put my money into multiple cameras than one or two "better" ones.

Notice there's no overlap here 😜Not trying to stir the pot. I think @SteveV4D makes a fair point.

@hyalinejim Please take comfort in knowing that I do the exact same thing all the time 😂 I'm trying to do better like @fuzzynormal recommends. This has plagued me since the GH4.

All of this. Looking to the S1H as the most comparable camera on the market - I don't see how Canon could possible leapfrog Panasonic in such a dramatic way. My intuition tells me the only way Canon can achieve these specs is to limit recording times, crop, disable AF in certain modes, or all of the above. Still, I'm cautiously optimistic.