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People tend to forget when this same camera outcome didn't exist at all for any price actually... Nothing at all.
Closer only into the $100,000 realm without mention studio recorder and player to add a post production suite to double or triple the six digits investment.
I am just done with so picky and uneducated complaints. People need to get scope before start shooting without perspective at all from absolute ignorance, bad memory or simply lighthearted distortion of reality.

Like a girl, you have no clue why she is the one but she is... ; -)
"Is there anybody going to listen to my story
All about the girl who came to stay?
She's the kind of girl
You want so much it make you sorry
Still you don't regret a single day
Ah, girl, girl, girl..."
~ JL & PM

My Pocket4K was suitably attired for his day out today.
Leica R by Leica SL at Leica HQ

Batteries:
I bought two Dynacore LP-E6 batteries however they last less than the BM battery since they are 7,2V / 1800mAh  / 12,96Wh and not 7,4V / 2000mAh / 14,8Wh as the BM battery. So they last less. Buy quite a bit. At least it feels like that. Not recommended (the shop recommended them for the BMPCC4K so I didn't double check the specs...)
However at least they show linear % value in the camera ( not like the BM battery that gives a super odd and jumpy readout without % )
Thinking of trying this: (25% extra capacity than the BM battery)
https://www.amazon.com/Opteka-2600mAh-Capacity-Battery-Digital/dp/B00CHT37LQ
 
Storage:
Besides a couple of 64GB V90 sd cards (great for up to 4K DCI 25fps prores HQ/ 1080p120 prores HQ) I have a Sandisk Extreme portable SSD 500GB. It works great with raw as well up to 4K DCI 60fps 3:1 raw without dropped frames. (400+MB/s write speed)

Ok so I decided to test once more - and I a complete idiot overly happy after waiting almost 7 month finally having this bloody camera - I forgot to change the target disk mode of the test app...
aaaaegh - sorry for me misinformation about max speed. But It do works great with the BMPCC4K
with 500GB available DCI 4k in raw 3:1 gives me 66min @25fps , 4:1 82 min.
To get 2+ hours from 500gb I  have to 'downgrade' to prores 422 (not HQ)
 

Just received my BMPCC4K today . yay  - (What a joy using a camera with an intuitive UI)
Finally I bought a Sandisk Extreme Portable Ssd instead of the Samsung T5. (or making my own) Better price for the same config and better performance. Amazon had an offer:
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B078SWJ3CF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
To my surprise it performs quite a bit better than the announced  550MB/s read speed - In the BM speed test I got R:800+MB/s and W:700+MB/s !! (formatted in ExFat) even after a few minutes run.
Recording with the ssd it delivers too. No dropped frames in any settings (raw 4k dci @ 60 fps is no problem)
So solar very recommendable.
I tested a few 64GB v90 sd cards as well (Lexmark and Sandisk). 4K DCI 25fps in prores (all flavours) works fine no dropped frames (in LT get 23 min recording time - in HQ 11...). Even 1080p100 works (24 min in LT) So if slowmo in 4k isn't necessary no need to spend cash on the fastest  sd/cf cards (at least in PAL-land)
( in 1080p25 you get 45m in HQ and 97m in LT - pretty descent)
I have been reading quite some complaints regarding the battery door. It doesn't seem flawed to me. Though the door locking mechanism can probably trick/annoy some. One have to put the locking nod back in place after closing the door. Doing that it should be just fine (not the best design but no deal breaker) 
Since the camera got released there has been quite a few critical voices complaining just about anything it had to offer (or missing). 
Having had it in my hands for a few hours I find a lot of the comments quite a bit exaggerated. Sure an articulated screen could be great in some occasions and sure the battery life depletes quite fast. But those are things one can easily work around. I know I can. I am more than confident that I will enjoy the results filming with this camera ?

 
 
 

Just received my BMPCC4K today . yay  - (What a joy using a camera with an intuitive UI)
Finally I bought a Sandisk Extreme Portable Ssd instead of the Samsung T5. (or making my own) Better price for the same config and better performance. Amazon had an offer:
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B078SWJ3CF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
To my surprise it performs quite a bit better than the announced  550MB/s read speed - In the BM speed test I got R:800+MB/s and W:700+MB/s !! (formatted in ExFat) even after a few minutes run.
Recording with the ssd it delivers too. No dropped frames in any settings (raw 4k dci @ 60 fps is no problem)
So solar very recommendable.
I tested a few 64GB v90 sd cards as well (Lexmark and Sandisk). 4K DCI 25fps in prores (all flavours) works fine no dropped frames (in LT get 23 min recording time - in HQ 11...). Even 1080p100 works (24 min in LT) So if slowmo in 4k isn't necessary no need to spend cash on the fastest  sd/cf cards (at least in PAL-land)
( in 1080p25 you get 45m in HQ and 97m in LT - pretty descent)
I have been reading quite some complaints regarding the battery door. It doesn't seem flawed to me. Though the door locking mechanism can probably trick/annoy some. One have to put the locking nod back in place after closing the door. Doing that it should be just fine (not the best design but no deal breaker) 
Since the camera got released there has been quite a few critical voices complaining just about anything it had to offer (or missing). 
Having had it in my hands for a few hours I find a lot of the comments quite a bit exaggerated. Sure an articulated screen could be great in some occasions and sure the battery life depletes quite fast. But those are things one can easily work around. I know I can. I am more than confident that I will enjoy the results filming with this camera ?

 
 
 

Just received my BMPCC4K today . yay  - (What a joy using a camera with an intuitive UI)
Finally I bought a Sandisk Extreme Portable Ssd instead of the Samsung T5. (or making my own) Better price for the same config and better performance. Amazon had an offer:
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B078SWJ3CF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
To my surprise it performs quite a bit better than the announced  550MB/s read speed - In the BM speed test I got R:800+MB/s and W:700+MB/s !! (formatted in ExFat) even after a few minutes run.
Recording with the ssd it delivers too. No dropped frames in any settings (raw 4k dci @ 60 fps is no problem)
So solar very recommendable.
I tested a few 64GB v90 sd cards as well (Lexmark and Sandisk). 4K DCI 25fps in prores (all flavours) works fine no dropped frames (in LT get 23 min recording time - in HQ 11...). Even 1080p100 works (24 min in LT) So if slowmo in 4k isn't necessary no need to spend cash on the fastest  sd/cf cards (at least in PAL-land)
( in 1080p25 you get 45m in HQ and 97m in LT - pretty descent)
I have been reading quite some complaints regarding the battery door. It doesn't seem flawed to me. Though the door locking mechanism can probably trick/annoy some. One have to put the locking nod back in place after closing the door. Doing that it should be just fine (not the best design but no deal breaker) 
Since the camera got released there has been quite a few critical voices complaining just about anything it had to offer (or missing). 
Having had it in my hands for a few hours I find a lot of the comments quite a bit exaggerated. Sure an articulated screen could be great in some occasions and sure the battery life depletes quite fast. But those are things one can easily work around. I know I can. I am more than confident that I will enjoy the results filming with this camera ?

 
 
 

Just received my BMPCC4K today . yay  - (What a joy using a camera with an intuitive UI)
Finally I bought a Sandisk Extreme Portable Ssd instead of the Samsung T5. (or making my own) Better price for the same config and better performance. Amazon had an offer:
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B078SWJ3CF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
To my surprise it performs quite a bit better than the announced  550MB/s read speed - In the BM speed test I got R:800+MB/s and W:700+MB/s !! (formatted in ExFat) even after a few minutes run.
Recording with the ssd it delivers too. No dropped frames in any settings (raw 4k dci @ 60 fps is no problem)
So solar very recommendable.
I tested a few 64GB v90 sd cards as well (Lexmark and Sandisk). 4K DCI 25fps in prores (all flavours) works fine no dropped frames (in LT get 23 min recording time - in HQ 11...). Even 1080p100 works (24 min in LT) So if slowmo in 4k isn't necessary no need to spend cash on the fastest  sd/cf cards (at least in PAL-land)
( in 1080p25 you get 45m in HQ and 97m in LT - pretty descent)
I have been reading quite some complaints regarding the battery door. It doesn't seem flawed to me. Though the door locking mechanism can probably trick/annoy some. One have to put the locking nod back in place after closing the door. Doing that it should be just fine (not the best design but no deal breaker) 
Since the camera got released there has been quite a few critical voices complaining just about anything it had to offer (or missing). 
Having had it in my hands for a few hours I find a lot of the comments quite a bit exaggerated. Sure an articulated screen could be great in some occasions and sure the battery life depletes quite fast. But those are things one can easily work around. I know I can. I am more than confident that I will enjoy the results filming with this camera ?

 
 
 

Based on the that sequence, I suspect it might be counting down to offering you a refreshing Kia-Ora orange juice before the main feature presentation.
Or advising you of a delicious Indian restaurant only 70 yards from this cinema.
 

No - it should have a MF sensor. FF is not cinematic enough these days.....

Yes the menus are fantastic, the general control layout - I did not realise this until today when I finally put it in my hand - is lovely. Much nicer than I expected. Even the polycarbonate plastic construction doesn't bother me. If anything it's good, because it makes for a very lightweight construction. This is a big camera by mirrorless standards but a TINY and light on by pro video standards, let alone cinema RAW proportions.
Yes there are baffling decisions going on but a lot of common sense too. I still do not like Blackmagic's launch strategy and initial shipping quantities, it is ridiculous to be tormented for months with a mix of teasing and social media hype - I almost went mad - but believe me it is worth the wait. Again like BTM says, far from perfect, or without quirks - but it is different to anything else I own and a worthy upgrade from the original - in fact it is SIGNIFICANTLY better than that first camera in every way. Something I did not realise until I actually turned up.
I am going to have so many words to eat from this thread, I'll probably choke to death.

That looks excellent.
I thought I'd quote the post again right under to make people scroll through 6 huge images instead of 2.

'The Camera Cage for Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K features a completely customizable, modular design. Fill out your camera cage as you see fit. An optional right side handle features a small finger wheel that can allow you to control the upcoming Nucleus Nano motor and also features an SSD card holder as well as a battery compartment for Sony F970 batteries to allow you to extend the battery life of your camera. More info and pre-order available soon.'
 

Oh I dunno... I took my Sony PMW-F3 across toWaiheke Island for New Years Eve. The F3 can be a "vaction camera" too ?
 

 
 

His sarcasm was handed to you on a plate and you still didn't get it?!

I feel like I read somewhere people being scared that you can’t shoot lossless 4K DCI and record with T5. Well today was the first time I plugged it in and it definitely takes it. I tried 23.976 recorded for 5min before I was convinced enough. Did 30fps recorded for 5min, convinced. And finally 60fps which did get a frame drop after 40seconds. But that’s 40sec 60fps lossless RAW 4K DCI on a 100dollar drive!
 
The T5 works great! No problems at all here! 

It is the entire 2018 production of the BMPCC4K ?

The Alexa is not God. It's quite an old camera now. Just because its the industry standard doesn't mean to say it has a wide performance advantage to certain other cameras.
I had an interesting bloke from the new Mad Max movie contact me during the production. He was looking for the most compact possible single focus anamorphic for a drone shot and had Google'd Iscorama
Small stuff is used all the time in top-flight production, and cuts just fine with an Alexa.
The way people talk about that camera, you'd think it was Alexa, BIG GAP, then everything else. It isn't. Some of the cheaper RAW stuff is right up there.

It is the entire 2018 production of the BMPCC4K ?

I have a project where I'm matching the pocket 4K to the Gemini and I created a LUT to match the look of RED's IPP2 color science. I understand that it's not for everyone (BM has more natural colors IMO) but it does have an instant cinematic quality. Download for free here if you're interested:

DOWNLOAD:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6tkqx5ultooq3r/Pocket4K_Film_to_R3D_IPP2.cube?dl=0
BM Film to Extended Video

BM Film to RED IPP2 LUT

It is the entire 2018 production of the BMPCC4K ?

It depends on what you're trying to achieve.
Turning a RAW photo into a nice picture is basically the same for video.  Perhaps video might be a little harder if theres a single shot where the subject moves between light sources with different colour temperatures, but that's unlikely for most of us.
I think there are two situations where grading does require a very high level of competence:
When you're trying to compare two cameras by grading them to look the same, or trying to make both look as good as possible so the potential of both cameras can be compared, or, When you're trying to grade a piece of footage so it just looks absolutely stunning. The first scenario is what the videos in this thread lacks: people that can't match two cameras (or can't even WB both cameras properly) or people that grade one camera nicely and grade the other one very poorly, resulting in that BMPCC4K vs GH5 video where everyone said the GH5 footage looked worse than even average GH5 footage, let alone be good enough to compare to another camera.
The second is a bit less relevant to this thread, but we've talked a lot about the BMPCC videos and how they just looked wonderful with lots of mojo and general awesomeness, and that the BMPCC4K hasn't lived up to that.  Unfortunately, what we're doing is comparing the best results from years of people shooting with the BMPCC - both in terms of people getting to know the cameras modes and best lens combinations, and how to grade it, but also picking those videos where the colourist was quite skilled.  The BMPCC4K hasn't been out long enough for the people who have it to get to know it, test lens combinations and filters, and probability suggests that the best colourists haven't even touched any of the footage yet.
You simply can't compare the best ever footage from one camera with the first few quick films from another.
The videos we've seen so far have been basic colour space conversions, or even just a LUT.  Wait until people really get stuck into the footage.  
The highest level of grading work will have qualifiers to treat skin and various other specific tonalities, will have localised adjustments that will be tracked as objects within the frame move, and these days often some VFX elements, which it's also worth noting that VFX elements don't always mean adding in objects that aren't there, but can also do more subtle things like adding lens flares, digital re-lighting to change a scenes light-source behaviour, digital make-up with face tracking and face enhancements, etc etc.  Lord Of The Rings is obviously a movie with a lot of VFX but IIRC they said that every frame had some VFX on it, even if it was just localised adjustments to dodge-and-burn elements in a landscape or whatnot.
Truly skilled colourists will not only do all the above to make things like nice and give them a look, but they will emphasise and de-emphasise elements and adjust colours according to the psychological effects that these adjustments give, but all in support of the story and characters and entire world of the film.  When we watch a film we become emotionally invested in the world that the film creates, and we cannot help but let this effect the way we see the footage.  A photograph will have more meaning to us if we know the people in it, and so if a great story has characters we care about then the footage will all look better to us because of our emotional engagement.  
This cannot possibly be emulated by random test shots of strangers in parks, models posing, or travel films where the people aren't really featured and certainly don't have any real dialogue.
Have a look at this video which shows a good but still basic colour grade, and note the difference between the first step (LogC to rec709) and the final grade, even though this is a very basic adjustment.
Truly great images will be made from footage recorded with this camera, but the images themselves won't be truly great until they are made into emotionally engaging art.
Otherwise, cameras really would improve our film-making.

USB C storage:
has anybody with the camera in hand tried custom NVMe ssd + enclosures for external recording?
Something like this or similar:
https://www.transcend-info.com/Products/No-760
 
the Samsung 970 Evo are fair priced and really fast toping out at 2500MB/s write speed
And the new released Corsair Force 510 are even higher performing and more aggressive  priced (2TB for less than $500!) and write speeds that exceeds 3000MB/s
the usb interface theoretically tops out at 1280MB/s (if it is 10Gb). Not sure if camera usb bandwidth can handle those speeds but at least the bottleneck will not be the media. And price/performance will be better than cfast for raw (sure, with other inconveniences like have the storage externaly)
Any opinions, real world experiences?
 
cheers

I loved the OG pocket. It had it’s own look. It was a pain in the ass to use for more than 20 min though, without rigging. The P4K is definitely a next gen in every way. Once they add B- Raw ???