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Yeah I’ve watched a bunch of A7S3 videos and unfortunately can’t  say I’m very impressed by the colors, skin tones and overall look.  It has that alpha series video look I’m not so fond of.
Of course the 10-bit makes for smoother grading and the ALL-I fixes the horrendous motion cadence of A7III, but the absence of S-Cinetone is a shame.
On the PotatoJet video you can really see what I’m talking about as the footage intercuts with FX9 footage that looks so much more organic/filmic.
Of course when shooting 4K120p with cine/telephoto lenses the footage looks tasty but otherwise I havent seen anything really impressive.. yet.
Will keep an open mind though as this camera ticks many boxes, but after the initial hype passes.. IQ is really what matters to me in the end, especially when considering a 4200€ mirrorless.

I don't think that any X-series cameras with last gen hardware will get big firmware updates. The GFX 50 cameras are getting love, as they are much more expansive, but I think that only X-cameras with X processor 4 are getting big firmware updates 

I have. Improved a lot. Panning is very smooth now, but at the start, if the camera is not moving, there is a small delay were the camera first tries to keep the composition. But transition to panning is now pretty good. I'd say for video shooters this is a big one, IBIS is now extremely good. 

I have. Improved a lot. Panning is very smooth now, but at the start, if the camera is not moving, there is a small delay were the camera first tries to keep the composition. But transition to panning is now pretty good. I'd say for video shooters this is a big one, IBIS is now extremely good. 

The funny thing about Max's comparison video is that it made the Sony IBIS look really bad and I see Daniel Schiffer pull off some awesome moves handheld with his A7III all the time.  Which leads me to think that the XT4's IBIS is more than enough to achieve that level of movement.

I think the main problem coming from these videos is that 90% are made from photographers that have limited understanding of video work. They think IBIS is a gimbal replacement or some sort of steady cam. It is not. 
If you add to the fact a lot of the footage displaying wobble artefacts are probably using the new EIS feature, well that just adds to the misjudgment of the IBIS.
From the few footage that uses the IBIS correctly, it seems to me that it works really well. Nothing to worry about.
Same thing for AF, even Canons dual pixel AF isn't flawless and won't replace a follow focus.
There is actually technique to maximise a camera's AF sticky rate. Lens choice, lighting can also alter performance.
That's not to say these pre-production cameras don't have issues, but until they ship these videos are just what they are: an early hands-on approach.

Man.. as an ex GH5 user, I'd go with the XT4 every time, unless I'm using anamorphics.  Bigger sensor, better color, better autofocus.

Who else thinks that this puts pressure on the GH6 to deliver more bang for the buck, especially considering that it will have have the smaller sensor disadvantage, and thus unable to justify a higher price than this? 

Need to change the site name to FUJIHD to reflect the new reality.

I don't feel this way. The X-T3 is an awesome camera and many have said, how much they like the camera. If asked what was missing in the last months, no one said 6K or 4K 120fps. It was IBIS and better battery life all the time. The X-T4 seems to deliver just that. If they manage to get the price close to the X-T3 price, that's an outstanding value. 

I don't feel this way. The X-T3 is an awesome camera and many have said, how much they like the camera. If asked what was missing in the last months, no one said 6K or 4K 120fps. It was IBIS and better battery life all the time. The X-T4 seems to deliver just that. If they manage to get the price close to the X-T3 price, that's an outstanding value. 

That’s great but Fujifilm announced the development of the X-T4. You really think they are pulling a quick one on us and someone random YouTube person knows better?

I don't feel this way. The X-T3 is an awesome camera and many have said, how much they like the camera. If asked what was missing in the last months, no one said 6K or 4K 120fps. It was IBIS and better battery life all the time. The X-T4 seems to deliver just that. If they manage to get the price close to the X-T3 price, that's an outstanding value. 

The problem is not with Sonys sensor manufacturing department, but their imaging department. Just look at the Panasonic S1, S1H as well as the Nikon Z6 or the Sigma FP. They use Sony sensors and can do a lot of things Sony cameras can't. 4K60p, 10bit or ProRes RAW. 
I think Sony Imaging is clinging to their Bionz X, which I guess is the problem in their video department. 

Sounds like this is going to have a fully articulating screen. Fuji is going for the jugular. 

Kind of. The real supporters of the m4/3 format are Panasonic and Olympus - all the others (Blackmagic included) are very niche.

From Panasonic, I clearly see a GH6 on the horizon, but not much more - there are rumors of a GX10, but as a minor update. Olympus just repackaged the E-M1 II in a smaller body to make the E-M5 MK III, and rumors says that the same sensor will be used for the E-M1 MK III.

M4/3 evolution is dependant nowadays on Sony to evolve on sensors. Olympus is struggling financially to evolve their platforms (if the E-M1 MK III still use the same chipset, will be a VERY  bad sign). Panasonic could repurpose the tech developed for the L cameras to m4/3, but don't see much intention to do it - everyone (except Fuji) is pushing full frame, better margins on bodies and (especially) lenses.

As I said, I love my m4/3 gear, it fullfills almost all that I need (except low light - my dream camera is a proper GX body with IBIS and the GH5s internals). And I think that m4/3 will be a viable format for video for a good amount of time - but maybe not for stills, where the sales volumes are. And don't want to end with a bunch of bodies and lenses with very deprecated values in a phase out, like was with 4/3 users.

And Fuji is doing a lot of things right. Have bodies and lenses with the same or a little more size and weight than m4/3 (for people, like me, that likes compact gear). In two generations jumped from some of the worst video tech for some of the best. Is (maybe) the only manufacturer that their bodies frequently surpasses expectations in specifications. Their prices are competitive. IBIS was the last barrier for me (I use a lot of vintage lenses), maybe they will be my future.

X-Trans needs more CPU power so there is more heat. X-T200 is bayer and thus runs cooler

Last year Sony had a education promotion with 30% off, including A7RIV and A9. So the final price was around $2449. 
As a european, paying 4000€ ($4410) for the same item feels wrong, even considering the price includes taxes. 
Personally I don't care about statistics or talk from resellers. As spiffs seem to be getting more common, his interest might not be the same as mine. 
To get back to the X-T4: really looking forward to it, the X-T3 was great, but there were a few things that could be better. 

I wouldn't take that listing as the holy gospel word, B&H might massage those results to be biased towards ones which have the best margin for themselves?

Ok, I'll take off my tin foil hat now

I'd go GFX 100
Larger sensor
IBIS
Phase-detect AF
Excellent 10bit codec, not too huge file sizes
Very good EVF
Much higher resolution stills
Better ergonomics for video (i.e. tilt screen) and more features

Let's talk also about a great lens they've included with this camera!

Yes it is "just a kit lens", which means it will be a little shit and is a slow f3.5, getting even slower as you zoom in. 

But.... look at the major pros for it:

1) Powerzoom, handy for smooth zooms in video
2) OIS, to make up for the lack of IBIS!
3) starts at a fantastic 15mm! There isn't a wider kit lens anywhere else. 

15mm is especially good for vloggers, when you're holding out at arms lengths you're always wanting a wider lens or longer arms. (or both!) This is a great first lens to include with the camera, this could be a sleeper hit within the YouTube community. 

Think about it, would you rather buy a Canon M50 or a Fujifilm X-T200?

Then once you've sucked them in with their first camera, it is much easier to get them to buy next a X-T30 instead of a Canon M6 mk2 (or a X-T3 instead of an EOS RP, etc....  or a Fujinon Cinema Camera instead of a Canon C200....). 

A little part of me is thinking I should upgrade my YouTube vlogging Panasonic G6 camera not to a Panasonic G85 but a Fujifilm X-T200 instead?? Hmmmm.....  I wonder how low the price will be for the X-T200 kit. 
 


Jordan said it has a 3.5mm input! Nice. 

Has good quality 120fps FHD slow motion. 

Autofocus is good too he says. 

I get 1000+ shots out of a single battery stills only shooting raw + Jpeg every wedding. Easily. 1000-1500. And before anyone cries "balls", week in, week out. It mostly depends how you have the thing set up and how you use it...
But the XT3 absolutely chews through batteries for 4k video no question and even with a battery grip, ie, 3 batteries in total, I need to swap out at least the 2 in the grip to get through a typical 9-12 hour day.
However, I prefer the Anker power bank / USB option and have that attached to my monopod and with that system in place, can easily shoot (video) on a single internal battery (ie no grip) 9-12 hour day.
Neither solution is ideal which is why I welcome the XT4 with IBIS and supposedly better battery. The only two things I am really interested in.
 

Interesting, the X-T3 with 10bit All-Intra beats the A7iii. Wasn’t someone just saying it was the other way around, and laughably at that?

I think it has a lot to do with their other cameras. It is said, that X-Trans needs a lot more processing power and that was one reason, why early Fuji cameras were really bad at video. But they now have some high performance quad core chips. Their other cameras are medium format, with over 100MP, so that is a lot that needs to be processed.