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5 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

What cart did you buy? @MrSMW Also, I am interested to know what´s exactely in your lighting and whole package fitting all in your 4 wheely. Appreciated! 🙂 cheers

I would also like to know about the cart! Most of the times, a cart is more important than a new camera!

It is very important to know your place and understand your concept completely, in the pro world.

That is number one.

I recently did a documentary series with young directors (one director each 25minutes episodes), almost all of them did more than 5 hours interviews! that was too much for the project, the concept behind it, and the budget.

As of the technical stuff. When I was doing such work I always shot 50p (more is just too much) and used whatever technique I considered appropriate. A few timelapses and hyperlapses were good transition tricks also. Speedramp also. Whatever..

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Thanks for the update and good to hear it went well. And with the 24-105!

Almost tempted to give it a whirl at my next wedding…except it’s my least reliable AF lens for stills in L Mount, but good for video.

Not tried it on the PDAF S5ii…and probably won’t actually as it’s a bit big and bulky compared with my other lenses and juggling 3 bodies.

I have got a non-pro event coming up on the Normandy coast around D Day (all that stuff is about 1.5 hours for me) and providing one of my battery grips has turned up by then, I may give it a go, - PDAF + Lumix 24-105 because I did some testing this last weekend up and around Utah Beach, but the 28-70 was definitely a bit short! As expected though, so on me.

Thinking about picking up a 70-300 for that kind of thing. In fact, I’ll go and check prices right now 😉

The Lumix 24-105 is bigger than the usual EF one? I have never seen a Lumix full frame lens on the field, everyone adapts EF or have Sony cameras anyway..it would be interesting to check the new PDAF performance.

On 5/12/2023 at 8:23 PM, herein2020 said:

All very true, for me 24mm on the R7 is actually around 35mm so we are on the same page there, but for me I use the 105mm end (around 155mm) FF equiv for background compression for detail shots and also for reach at the long end. I would say that I spend maybe 50% of my time below 70 but the full 50% of the rest of the time I am above 70, that's just how often I need take detail shots which is where I use background compression since F4 isn't particularily fast, and also where I am far enough away from the action to the point that I need the longer focal lengths for a quick shot or I want to punch in and fill the frame with some activity.

At the type of events that I shoot, the clients expect a full compliment of detail shots of the vendor's wares and that's when I use the long end for background compression. To me the 24-105 at 105 looks better when taking detail shots vs the 24-70 at 70. 

I also shoot almost exclusively handheld these days and the Canon 24-70 does not have IS where as the Canon 24-105 does so that's another plus.

Agree with everything, just add to this my experience.

For me, even the 105 is sometimes limiting, that is why I prefer the 18-135 EF-S for Canon S35 (or APSC) run and gun, and that is why usually I go with the Olympus 12-100mm 4f..

I do cover the whole spectrum of moving images (from mainstream drama, to indie documentaries) so I understand what everyone says.

My last jobs were a feature film (I did sound) that we used just cine primes, a documentary with Pocket 4K cameras and the 12-100, Alexa TV ad (did sound), another one with 4K/6K cameras (did sound) and Sigma EF (18-35, 50-150), TV show with GH6 and 12-100mm, a theater/music performance (GH5+BlackMagic cameras with Olympus lenses), Canon C300mkIII + C70, a couple projects with Sony cameras, e.t.c...

There is no ONE style of preferred setup. Depending the job and the project you have to adapt. It is a lot different to work on a scripted short, a verite documentary, a TV ad on Alexa, a live performance..

If you cover something, is more important to have the right moments than have just a few of them with great style..in the end, the content is more important than the form.

Of course you try to have a great balance of those, but first be sure you cover the basics and then add some artistic style if you can.

We shoot a very popular show with 2 GH5 and 12-100mm Olympus 4f lenses. 

I remember years ago for the same project we were carrying video cameras with suitcases full of lenses! It wasn't only tiring and stressful for us, but for the presenters also and the whole production..

We also use the same for recording performances/live events. You do not have the time to change lenses.

When I take pictures and I have to cover everything, I use 2 bodies with a workhorse zoom (and a flash just in case, there is no shame on that!), and a prime that fits the occasion (for more "artistic" and/or personal approach) and usually, a 3rd small body (I have always some kind of backup with me, even when I just use one body) with some oddball lens (ultra wide or even fisheye, just for a couple of "weird" ones.

On 5/6/2023 at 1:18 PM, Django said:

Interesting, you had some pretty harsh comments towards this camera (so did I tbh) but it sounds like you're warming up to it after trying it out!

The overheating is really dependent on the ambient temperature and how long you shoot. 65 degrees is pretty mild/cool and shooting 10s to 2mn clips with intervals isn't going to stress it much either. This camera might turn out to be ideal for your particular needs/shooting style but I'd be curious on your feedback on a warmer day (+75F). 

 

 

I told you!

The camera is great for the intended use, as the R8 is also. 

They both aren't hardcore pro tools for really long takes but they will have their place in many peoples hands..

What about battery life on the S5ii. Can anyone comment on that?

1 hour ago, ntblowz said:

Yeah, I hope they fix the CDAF on FHD 50P/60P mode, cause that is ridiculous.

really..I still use 1080p on most jobs..and what is exactly the situation with the 4K/50p? what is the crop that implements?

49 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

My original plan was R8 + R7 combo, but like you I dont have much ASPC lens except the Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 and 18-150mm rf-s lens, I did use the 18-150mm on a number of jobs cause for event having good focal range is the king. The Sigma 18-35 1.8 not so much cause I got 24-70mm 2.8 which is similar size/weight but more reach, so I decide to sell the R7 and keep R5 at end.

In here for the price S5II body you can R8+24-50mm kit + RF 50mm 1.8 + used 35mm 1.8 or  ef 17-40mm f4 or ef 24-105 f4 or ef 70-200 f4 .. so for me R8 is definitely the better buy, if you want to shoot 4K50p/60P the 20 end become 30mm which is not so wide. But if S5II with kit and 50mm is similar as R8 over there then go ahead I guess?

Image is not my main job, sound and assistant director are, so I can not afford R5 price bodies. Not even R6mkII, which ideally would be my first option, but it is 3.000euros (inlcuding trade in bonus + cash back! imagine the normal price..).

The Sigma was never convenient for me, there were always a better option, not quite wide for me (as I said, 24mm equiv. is my must) and never long enough for portraits or weddings/ceremonies..when my main camera was the NX1 the incredible 16-50mm 2-2.8f O.I.S NX was a much better and complete option and for almost all the Sigma range was 2f..not that big of a difference, wider and longer also..

The Canon prices in Europe are ridiculous..Panasonic is very competitive, and there is the other thing, the Panasonic 20-60 in my opinion is alright for basic pro stuff, the Canon 24-50mm is a joke..a lot less light, and a lot smaller range than the Pana one..this is significant for me, as an 20-60 can cover my basic needs, and if the Sigma adapter works, I could put some EF glass in front for longer distance..(I have the 70-200mm 4f EF which is great value and I love the size/weight ratio and others).

I have already the 16/35/50mm RF and I am not sure if the Sigma adapter has similar AF performance as the EF to RF adapters..that is something I do not have a definite confirmation as of yet..

On 5/4/2023 at 4:07 PM, ntblowz said:

Haven't run into overheating here as it is autumn heading into winter.. but I feel it wont last as long as R7 or R5 during summer time, I did got up to 4-5 bars under full sun in the afternoon for 4K50p during ceremony. (temp 20-21c), on 4K25p only up to 2 bars.  I have yet to see the bar appearing on R7.

HDR-PQ is for HDR display which u dont need to grade if it is playing on HDR device, but you can grade it like log profile and export for SDR monitor which is what the guy did for that R50 video.

Overheating is a main concern here in Greece, we have Sahara desert (literally we have Sahara sand dozens of days in Greece lately) weather during summers (climate change and all..). Main reason I never considered Sony for workhorse cameras, NX1 were amazing at the time in heat dissipation. I do an indoors theater tmrow and I will use the R7 for the very first time for a job, but it will keep just a wide shot..I will check battery life and heat management, as it is usually north of 25degrees C in full indoor theaters.. my main camera will be the Pocket 4K though with the Olympus 12-100mm 4f.

As I stated in the Panasonic S5ii thread,

June, I would like to go to full frame and I am between S5II(X) and R8, for different reasons each choice.

R8 will be complementary to the R7, but Panasonic S5IIX can take the part of the Pocket+R8+R7 I guess..(I certainly need 2 cameras though to have at all times, and the S5IIX doesn't have a clear candidate for a lesser and cheaper second body, but maybe I just keep also the Pocket 4K, and the S5 is the all arounder..easy).

What do you guys think? Is the Sigma EF adapter worth it? Is the X a better option for video or the (much, at this point with some reductions I see) cheaper S5ii is enough?

I am just bored to sell things, I could easily sell the Pocket and the Olympus lens and replace it with an R8 and a new RF lens (maybe an ultra wide of some kind), or else I could go the S5II way, and sell everything else (which is a lot of hustle and hurdle because so much stuff, and newly bought have to go..). The thing is, that both R7 and R8 are NOT hardcore video tools like the S5IIX seems to be, and the Pocket 4K is..or else I would have gone the R8 way already..

The main reasons that I am reluctant with RF is the lens situation, I am not covered at all with crop lenses (ridiculous, not even close to my NX set up) and there isn't a do it all all arounder for run and gun. At the moment I use the 18-135mm with the ND Meike adapter, which is ok, but It is like an 29mm lens at the wide end, and my favorite on zooms is 24mm.

The Olympus, which I own already, is a 24-200mm, perfect..Sony has some as well and a new 20-70mm (20mm at the wide end is incredible) and you can buy right now the Panasonic S5ii with the 20-60mm kit and the great 50mm with a little bit more of what the R8 costs! sorry, but this is just incredible pricing..the 20-60 kit is ok for most projects, and with the Sigma adapter I can use my EF lenses like I do in RF, no big deal there..

Decisions decisions..

I am certainly a Batman fun! Isn't the X in pre-order status still?

Does anyone knows the differences between X and simple S5ii?

I have 4 Samsung NX cameras, 1 Pocket 4K and 1 R7. Only 1 Olympus 12-100mm, a few EF and EF-S lenses, a bag of 5 Samyang EF vDSL (the old ones, I don't remember how they called) and a few RF lenses..

June, I would like to go to full frame for some reasons, I am between S5IIX and R8, for different reasons each choice.

R8 will be complementary to the R7, but Panasonic S5IIX can take the part of the Pocket+R8+R7 I guess..(I certainly need 2 cameras though to have at all times, and the S5IIX doesn't have a clear candidate for a lesser and cheaper second body..).

What do you guys think? Is the Sigma EF adapter worth it? Is the X a better option for video or the (much, at this point with some reductions I see) cheaper S5ii is enough?

I am just bored to sell things, I could easily sell the Pocket and the Olympus lens and replace it with an R8 and a new RF lens (maybe an ultra wide of some kind), or else I could go the S5II way, and sell everything else (which is a lot of hustle and hurdle because so much stuff, and newly bought have to go..). The thing is, that both R7 and R8 are NOT hardcore video tools like the S5IIX seems to be, and the Pocket 4K is..or else I would have gone the R8 way already..

..and the thing is that S5 doesn't have a lesser, smaller, cheaper crop alternative that I like to have at all times (and various reasons)..

I am open to all suggestions, if you will.

Cheers.

12 hours ago, IronFilm said:

 

 

Except in recent years they've been brought out and gone downhill. 

("As many will know, Rycote Microphone Windshields — previously a small family-run but world-renowned business on the outskirts of Stroud in the UK Cotswolds — was sold to the Vitec Group Plc back in 2018. The management team stayed on for a few years before leaving in 2021.")

If you dig into it, is kinda crazy just how many of the brands we know and use in the film industry are all owned by Vitec Group (now called Videndum)

Rycote is still a good brand, just don't expect that past history will necessarily predict accurately future performance now. 

2018 was an interesting year, also the same time  Chris Woolf joined Røde:

https://audioxpress.com/news/rycote-lyre-inventor-chris-woolf-joins-rode-microphones-to-work-on-the-development-of-new-shockmounts-and-windshields 

Many of the former people of Rycote have gone off and formed their own new company. 

I know about the buying out. What new company?

the aforementioned product is with the old regime!

9 hours ago, kye said:

Even their product page indicates that the 30 stickies only gives it 30 uses, rather than them being a robust solution.  If I bought these for my in-camera mics I don't want to have to re-install them every time I pick up the camera.

https://www.rycote.com.au/products/micro-windjammer-30-uses

I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.

I'm wondering if multiple layers of a thinner material might be a better bet, if I alternated laters of fabric and adhesive tape.  I bought a roll of 3M double-sided tape so I could custom-cut the shape so it could have a large sticky area and hopefully keep things in place for more than one or two uses.

Rycote is a very well know and innovative company from U.K, known for delivering great and cost effective solutions for decades. If I had to started from somewhere, I would definitely start from Rycote.

I split one of those in 2 pieces, put them on my NX500 years and years ago, I do not even remember, maybe 4. They are still there. Experiences may vary greatly of course.

I strongly recommend a dedicated microphone, instead the camera built in mics if/when possible.

...also, this for built in mics.

https://rycote.com/microphone-windshield-shock-mount/micro-windjammers/

I have the Sennheseir and I believe is the best all around dSLR solution. You can have beautiful stereo ambient sound if you go ultra wide, and if you go closer you can beautifully follow a nice 2 person's conversation, and with a wider lens, is alright to go closer. It has 2 mini shotgun mics! Stereo, but with a reach..just brilliant idea..

If I want more reach (for videocentric cameras) I go here

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1404643-REG/sanken_cs_m1_super_cardioid_short.html

Paired with this amazing masterpiece of "softie"

https://www.gothamsound.com/product/cosi-cs-m1-windshield-kit

This set is just amazingly brilliant and easily pro territory (and price).

I actually use it for drama on a boom pole and I just did a trailer for a very popular game show a few hours ago..

If I don't care at all, just the simplest of them all and the cheapest of them all. no battery, no much directionality, extremely small and light

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1183909-REG/rode_videomicro_compact_on_camera.html

On 4/22/2023 at 3:18 PM, ntblowz said:

Battery life only last 1hr with 4k.. so need either PD powerbank or charge battery often.

R7 battery life on the other hand last ages, R5 was on 2nd battery and R7 still on 1st battery when shooting the reception, both shooting 4k25p.

To me the weight saving alone is totally worth it, atm I m shoot 3 out of 6 days so far, the 277g weight saving make a difference to me as I m not as exhausted vs using R5.  So now I m tempted to get RS3 mini to have even more weight saving.

Yes, the size is incredible for a full frame camera. The only inconvenience is that you have different batteries and different chargers per job, I would like to avoid that, but you can't have it all in this life I guess!

I am shocked of how great a battery life the R7 has, amazing!

If I get the R8 I have to budget 3 batteries I guess..

Thanks for chiming in!

22 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Just got the R8 today and use it for an Indian Ceremony, shot most of it in 4K50P and the heating indicator only goes up to 1 bar so that is not bad.

So much lighter vs the R5 on gimbal, I can felt the weight saving!

 

Tell us more! I am probably buying it too..

What about the battery life? is it pro worthy do you believe?

16 hours ago, Benjamin Hilton said:

Just a solid camera overall. Better colors IMO than the lumix cameras, good auto focus, good 4k codec etc. 

The DR is a stop or two less than the S1, but probably similar to the GH5s. A little bit worse in low light than the S1. 

For me it's kind of like a GH5 with more solid color and auto focus and no need for a speedbooster. Also been using it with a ND filter lens adapter, so been digging that too. Mainly been living with a Sigma 18-35 on it or a Canon L 70-200.

Technically I should aways go for the S1 because of the better DR and low light, but I keep finding myself go for the R7 because of the user experience 

That is my impression also, punches above its weight..

I too finding it very convenient with the EF ND adapter and usually putting a 18-135mm EF-S there. Also the 70-200mm 4f.

Thanks for confirming!

1 hour ago, FHDcrew said:

This is all very valid and yes we needed more BROLL for that project. Thankfullly I’m very happy with the AROLL so if AROLL is good and you screw up a bit on BROLL It’s fine 😂 

Ofcourse! I just did a small friendly comment. I am glad that you didn't gave it more gravity than it should!

These new Nikon cameras (and lenses, depending the lens of course) are for me the best value for money options right now in the mirrorless world.

A lot of friends now use the 24-120mm for all around video with excellent results.

Very good and nice image, but needed some more B roll obviously. Just a couple of kicks and a helmet-wearing. Also the transition between two similar headshots with a different color to the second one is kind of weird. Maybe going super close up (not spaghetti western close up! Just head and shoulders) for the smile-shot in the same shot before the end, would have been more appropriate.

As of the camera, I know a lot of people using Nikon for weddings or simple corporate or other videos. Here, some mkII kits are slightly more expensive than the Canon R8 body(!) and there are continuously rebates or some kind of incredible offer..

They have great priced kits with various lenses, a lot of people choose the 24-120mm and they have it all..

Very tempting..

1 hour ago, Benjamin Hilton said:

Doing tons of work with our two GH5s and an S1 still. With our current color pipeline in post, they hold up very well. I even through in a G85 every once and a while when needed and it holds up great in certain situations. We also bought a Canon R7 this last year to do a long distance doc when we just needed another body. Honestly I would trade out all my cameras for more versions of that if I could, it's a really solid system for the price. When needed we through in some gorpo and iphone footage for specific things.  

What do you like in R7? What lenses do you use?

I bought one in the summer as well, but I have still to put it in the real world test..

Is the log footage easy to grade/edit?

Any issues with overheating?

What FF are you shooting?

I work for a couple of production companies that still using the GH5 cameras coupled, usually, with the Olympus 12-100mm 4f. They do speciality TV episodes (kind of run and gun stuff) and both shows are very popular.

One production company considers moving to either GH6 or S5iiX, the other considers.. nothing at all! The cameras are good for the specific project, and their other projects are very big anyway, so they rent Arri or C300mkIII usually. I did a project with them recently using C70s also..

I have yet to see a GH6, which is strange, and that means that it hasn't sold a lot here in Greece. I know a lot of people that had both the GH5 and bought into BMP4K when first released, but now they have moved to BMP6K and abandon the m43 cameras altogether.

I am expecting a slow but steady sales figure for people having a lot of m43 glass and they do not care much to move to other formats, or are perfectly happy with their GH5 cameras anyway and will replace their old and beaten GH5 cameras, but for those, even the cheaper GH5ii maybe will be enough (and another source of sales leaking for the poor GH6..) or a less beaten used GH5 from all these sources that moving to S5ii cameras or other mounts..

All in all, is not 2017 anymore, and there are still GH5/GH5S/GH5mkII cameras to be sold out there while everyone has workhorse hybrid cameras that can bring bread to the table these days..

On 4/7/2023 at 1:19 PM, MrSMW said:

I have it yes and not 100% sure of the answer…

It’s packed up right now as I am heading off to my second job of the year in a short while but I think so…

I’m only shooting it 4k 50p and just edited 1 job with it that had a lot of vertical architecture in the background and it just looked ‘normal’?

My tech skills go as far as:

A: Does it look right?

B: Did it do what I needed it to do?

The only changes I am making between this next job and the first is whacking the sharpening down to -5. Because I forgot to do that when setting it up for the first time.

Otherwise the only thing I have noticed is the colour difference between it and the S1H. The S1H is just better.

Define better?

See A: & B: above 👆 

Is this also an EF-S lens? I am spoiled with the incredible 16-50mm 2-2.8f NX lens, and I am searching for something similar for the R7..the lens situation keeps me still with my whole NX gear at the moment, and I do not want big and heavy for these low level jobs..

Ideally, I would take a 16-XX zoom anyday.. especially if we talk RF-S which is X1.6 relative to full frame, not X1.5 that other crop cameras are..

Welcome back dude, and stay around!

Image is like my 3rd job in the industry, so I spend a lot of money for sound mainly, but recently I worked with A) GH5 3 cameras setup B) A7Siii and A7iii setup C) last night we worked with 2 C300mkIII and 2 C70s, I love the latter..

Personally, 

I still using my fleet of NX cameras, mainly because the lens collection is amazing. I bought this past summer the R7 and a couple of years ago the BMP4K. I am relatively set for the moment, but I am eyeing the R8 now, mainly because I have so many EF and RF lenses that makes perfect sense to just have the option..

As I said, it isn't my main job, but I want to stay relevant somehow (that is why I have the Pocket for braw, and the R7 for the run and gun..