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13 minutes ago, cpc said:

A7s is actually really nice RS-wise in APS-C mode (similar to 5dm3, which does binning). And it is still full readout of the 1.5x crop area, so it's also pretty good in terms of aliasing.

FF puts a lot of stress on the system cause there are infrastructure problems to resolve which depend on sensor area. FF will always have more RS than APS-C which will have more RS than smaller sizes (like 1") for the same number of pixels.

Ok but then you shoot 1080p. The NX1 also has really low RS in 1080p and quite bad one in 4k. I thought we're  talking about shooting in the cameras' best image quality. It's kinda bothering that you have to choose between image quality and rolling shutter.

Nevertheless impressive what they've put into such a small, cheap camera.

6 minutes ago, cpc said:

Yeah, but this is us and our wishful thinking. Sony people probably still see this as a photo camera with video added in. If they were positioning it as a hybrid (like A7s/A7s2) it would be a 12-16mp camera and wouldn't have these RS issues which the excessive pixel counts bring (and would likely cost a bit more). But it is still possible that they release such a hybrid.

Not sure how Sony operates but my understanding is that photo and video divisions are separate. Hopefully they aren't THAT separate though so that features move in both directions. I'd certainly love an FS5 II with great AF and IBIS. Or an A7s III with electronic ND and great AF.

 

The A7s is just up there with the worst offenders regarding rolling shutter. Which is somewhat surprising.

34 minutes ago, Curtis Ross said:

Im in the market to buy a camera, probably one of these three in the next few weeks/months. To be used ONLY for 4k video productions. I am have done all my research on all of them and know most of the pros/cons of each. I will be using them with canon lens and some native lens from whatever brand i choose or etc.

 

I am a bit worred that the NX1 was discontinued. Correct? Should I been worried about that? How is the 4k quality compared with the other two.

The a6300 seems nice but I am worried about the form factor since I am use to DSLRs mostly. But for great video quality I could get used to it

Is the Sony Alpha a7S II going to have significantly better 4k video quality over the a6300????

 

I know this probably has been covered a thousand times on the forum. But humor me...:)

If you talk about normal, current Canon lenses like the L series stuff, I would rule out the NX1. There's no way of electronically controlling the aperture with these because there are no smart adapters for Samsung.

43 minutes ago, tugela said:

Probably because stills are read completely into the buffer before being processed, whereas in video the raw data stream is read directly into the processor and processed on the fly - hence the rolling shutter.

There's no rolling shutter because stills use the mechanical focal plane shutter while video uses the electronic shutter. It's quite obvious on cameras which can shoot both mechanical and electronic shutter (A7s, X-T1, ...), one has clear rolling shutter and the other not.

Just to give closure, I'm sticking with the NX1 for now. I like the easy to achieve colors and except for low light it's quite good.

I'll sit out until after NAB or maybe Photokina before making any decisions.

...even though I've just got the offer for a 1Dc with 2 years warranty for 4000$ but it's a quite big camera.

Wouldn't a C100 with external recorder be an even cheaper and qualitatively equal choice?

2 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

Hey do you still feel the same since the release of the a7rii ?

I think that's still valid but at 699 Chf (when last seen in a online store) vs 3500 Chf, who cares?
I think the Sony A7rII and A7sII are just overpriced for the compromise you'll have to make.

I considerd getting a A7r II + Speedbooster but then you look at 4200 without lenses and you have bad slow motion... or you could get A7s II but then you get rather lackluster auto focus and only 12 Megapixel for stills. And both, for my completely personal perception, have really meh colors (apparently to White Balance problems?).

I would take it for 2000 - 2500 $, but not for 3500 € like in Germany. European prices are still crazy.

Hearing about those "GH5 will be 6k" rumors makes me really annoyed. There's basically no really good, usable large sensor 1080p camera (I know, 5DIII ML, but a lot of people don't want to deal with the tinkering) and we jumped to 4k with weak codecs, now we'll directly jump on to 6k with probably the same weak codec but even more post issues?

Forums are full of people arguing that you can't get the good stuff because SD cards are too slow for higher quality, but why can't we at least get 10bit out of the cameras via HDMI? The High Frame Rate also doesn't go out so you shoot 120fps FullHD on some super compressed codec.

Are clips with the BMPCC out there that look like detailed, polished, modern footage e.g. like out of a commercial? All I find on VIMEO is low resolution / badly focussed, dark muddy grades stuff that looks like FilmConvert overdone times 10. I think the image out of the BMCC 2.5k is amazing but that camera ergonomics are meh, the extra resolution really helps over the BMPCC sensor in post for the finished product though.

BMCC 2.5K sensor in a C100 body with Sony IBIS and active MFT mount... TAKE MY MONEY!

6 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said:

FF depth of field seems out of place in a surveillance camera. Wouldn't a FS7 sensor make more sense and you could keep the lenses smaller and cheaper. Not to mention the APS-C powerzoom lenses ....

If they use wide angle as most would expect and focus is set to at least a few meters away, depth of field is a non-issue.

1Dc

GH4

FS5

Can you actually take off the top handle with the viewfinder? With a lot of the older systems I feel like the monitor and EVFs are so "old tech" that it would be best if you can just take them off and replace them with the system of your choice with HDMI or SDI connection. They also could get in the way when rigging it.

21 minutes ago, Moshimo Garcia said:

I'm sorry about the very nebulous question. I know upcoming cameras like the BM Micro Cinema Camera and probably the next GH will utilize m43, but beyond that, where do you think that m43 stands? I'm wondering if the E-Mount system will,  provide a more robust future? Decisions, decisions. 

Even for the BMMCC you'd want the BMPCC SpeedBooster and not the M43 XL. I feel like things change to rapidly at the moment to make long term planning / investments. If you do videos as a business, consider your ROI. If you do it as a hobby, decide between being conservative with money or splurgig because gear makes you happy.

I've just decided to sit tight on camera investments until more "want to have" criterias meet in one product even though I'd like to upgrade/sidegrade.

15 minutes ago, Moshimo Garcia said:

So, I'm having a bit of a conundrum. I own a GH3, but I am currently on the fence about upgrading to an A7rii this week. I JUST bought the Metabones M43 to EF adapter to use with my Sigma 18-35, but I am considering returning it for the E Mount Adapter, instead. Which adapter do you guys foresee as being more future proof? It's a 650 dollar investment, so, I want to make the RIGHT decision. 

That can't be answered in general. I take it you're talking about the speed booster? In the end you have three future possibilities:

- Stay with Micro43 > Speedbooster for M43
- Go with Sony APS-C > Speedbooster for E-Mount
- Go with Sony Fullframe > Smart Adapter for E-Mount

Seeing how you seem to be undecided about what to opt for in future, did you consider buying used to minimize losses when selling on?

So far the CUBE NX1 from Motion9 is the nicest cage I've seen so far for the NX1 but it's sold out and I'm doubtfull it'll come back in stock when considering the current Samsung situation. Maybe keeping eyes open for a used one?

http://motionnine.com/shop/cube-nx1/

I've got a VD Pix-e5 on order to fix my external monitoring issues (and record in ProRes) and borrowed a 18-55mm OIS from a workmate. I think I'll keep the NX1 until there's a Sony A7s III or Canon C100 III with 4k 10bit HDMI out (LOL like that would happen).

I think the overall package of the NX1 is just so nice, you have to spend big money to get something that tops it.

We'll go spend 4 days on Mallorca next weekend so hopefully I'll get to shoot some clips and do some timelapse.

59 minutes ago, tellure said:

Video explaining in layman's terms how it works (sounds like instead of converting E-mount signals to EF / SA-mount it overrides the firmware on the lens to use E-Mount directly. "Now the lens is no longer using its original firmware.  Instead it uses the MC-11's control application."

That would also explain why they say it is only compatible with the listed Sigma lenses and not all EF lenses.

On 26. Februar 2016 at 11:33 AM, agolex said:

This. Noticed it when I did the comparison R II vs S II in the other thread. Both cameras interpret WB values very differently and are probably both pretty far off.

I noticed that on some comparison videos I've seen. They said both cameras had the same settings but white balance was totally different.

Which one do you think is better? Both far off sounds bad.

On 26. Februar 2016 at 11:27 AM, Oliver Daniel said:

 

I've used the A7S II extensively at the moment, and I'm finding that a lot of these colour issues might come down to white balance. It just doesn't work properly.

You light a scene with 5600k top end lamps for a daylight scene, yet when setting the 5600k on the A7SII, skin looks green-ish. 

When lighting an indoor scene with only 3200k lamps, and setting 3200k on the camera, skin is blue-ish. 

Auto white balance works, but the colour shifts to red in tungsten and magenta in daylight. 

The most accurate I've found for white that is white, is Underwater Auto! However this makes everything that isn't white into purple. 

This is across all picture profiles. 

FS7 and F55 don't do this at all. 

I'd do a proper in-house test but after this post I'm busy for the day!

It seems a similar thing happens with the FS5. Maybe Andrew can feed this through to his contacts? 

I guess there is some function to set a white balance by shooting a neutral grey card. How does that work?

25 minutes ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said:

Most brands try to make "be-all for everybody" smartphones. The Panasonic CM1 tried the exact opposite. Let's hope they bring a mkII or some other brand try to make a smartphone for visual people!!!

http://petapixel.com/2016/01/20/panasonic-cm10-is-a-phone-camera-successor-that-drops-the-phone-part/

They dropped the actual phone part but I guess you could use a bluetooth headset or so? But seems more like a cut down CM1 than a successor.

I think Mattias and Ebrahim are right on the money. I've now shot (stills photography) with Canon (5D II, 5D III, 1Ds III), Fuji (X-E1, X100s, X-T1), Nikon (D800, D750) and Samsung (NX1)... and the Canons were probably the technically worst cameras (comparably low dynamic range, shadow banding, marketing cut down features, ...) but the best usability. They just work. Everything is in the right spot, the menus are easy (and you barely need use them), everything is quick and snappy. They sell no matter what and to be honest, as much as I like to bash them for their reluctance/incapability to progress, their products are solid. Plus, hybrid market is such a niche, I'm sure 95% of people buy these cams just for stills.

On the weekend I was seeing an exhibition of the "Wildlife photographer of the year" pictures and it was basically like a Canon exhibition, every second picture was a 5D II or 5D III. In the end, they're still great cameras (the one digit bodies) and forums just focus way too much on the technical feature side (I love gear and features, guilty as charged).

Thanks to the announced Sigma SA to Sony E adapter, you suddenly even have a viable solution to use the Sigma SA lenses on a not still life / landscape camera.

15 hours ago, Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Picture Profile Off gives me the most Canon-like image. 

I am very surprised actually it's not mentioned much, being the best PP and overall colour science & contrast I can get out of the a7s.

But won't that decrease the dynamic range quite a bit? I mean they're blaring about 14 stops in S-Log3 which is probably less actually usable stops (11-12?), so using PP Off will probably give you the same lattitude as the regular profiles on a Canon EOS or a Nikon. At least that was my understanding so far.

29 minutes ago, AndrewM said:

I hate to be the one to do this, because there is more than enough contention on this thread already, but...

The 16-35 is an APS-C lens. So when you put it on your A7rII, it automatically went into crop mode. So of course the pictures look the same...

 

No it's not... I'm not sure which 16-35mm he means but the Sony FE 16-35mm f/4, Sony ZA 16-35mm f/2.8, the Canon 16-35 2.8 L, Canon 16-35mm f/4, etc. are all Fullframe lenses. I don't think there exist any 16-35mm APS-C lenses.

Well, he's capable to do that in a laboratory probably... with god knows what system connection and active cooling.

24 minutes ago, Zak Forsman said:

yeah, GS is the hold-up for both the URSA Mini 4.6K and the Micro Cinema Camera. I hope that (A) they ship soon and GS can be activated in a firmware update, or (B) both cameras' GS issues are so identical that they can be sorted and implemented at the same time.

But the question is, once the GS issue is solved, will they actually ship out directly or send out to beta testers to make sure it works? That's then at least another one to two months I guess.

I'd be amused if they would actually announce new cameras at NAB, that would be hilarious.

It looks great!

But @DPStewart asked him if he could show global shutter footage on bmcuser and apparently the function is still not activated. I think we're in for a bunch of months more delay or that feature will be completely scrapped (which I could kinda live with, the rolling shutter isn't that bad it seems).